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RonHatl
2009-10-13, 22:36
Don't get me wrong; I think it's great that we now have the Squeezebox Radio and Touch to (virtually) play with or to replace our old but yet beloved SBs..

But will the number of players affect the average quality on released versions of the Squeezebox Server software? I mean; many players equals many "if statements" to be handled by the software development team as the players' hardware are different.. I wonder; Is the 'Logitech Squeezebox' software development team staffed and managed accordingly?

PS. And this is important: So far I am VERY IMPRESSED by the quality of both the hardware and software products from Slimdevices and now 'Logitech Squeezebox'. I think the success is very much related to the strong enthusiasm of the freaks who spend a lot of "free time" developing and roaming these forums! So THANK YOU ALL! You know; I just LOVE these products!!

RonHatl

pski
2009-10-15, 15:34
Don't get me wrong; I think it's great that we now have the Squeezebox Radio and Touch to "play with" or to replace our old but yet beloved SBs..

But will the number of players affect the average quality on released versions of the Squeezebox Server software? I mean; many players equals many "if statements" to be handled by the software development team as the players' hardware are different.. I wonder; Is the 'Logitech Squeezebox' software development team staffed and managed accordingly?

PS. And this is important: So far I am VERY IMPRESSED by the quality of both the hardware and software products from Slimdevices and now 'Logitech Squeezebox'. I think the success is very much related to the strong enthusiasm of the freaks who spend a lot of "free time" developing and roaming these forums! So THANK YOU ALL! You know; I just LOVE these products!!

RonHatl

Given that most player "interface" options are available in the webGUI, I would think that differences would be handled by the devices themselves rather than the server software. I could be wrong.

P

aubuti
2009-10-16, 06:35
Don't get me wrong; I think it's great that we now have the Squeezebox Radio and Touch to "play with" or to replace our old but yet beloved SBs..

But will the number of players affect the average quality on released versions of the Squeezebox Server software? I mean; many players equals many "if statements" to be handled by the software development team as the players' hardware are different.. I wonder; Is the 'Logitech Squeezebox' software development team staffed and managed accordingly?

PS. And this is important: So far I am VERY IMPRESSED by the quality of both the hardware and software products from Slimdevices and now 'Logitech Squeezebox'. I think the success is very much related to the strong enthusiasm of the freaks who spend a lot of "free time" developing and roaming these forums! So THANK YOU ALL! You know; I just LOVE these products!!

RonHatl
If you're concerned about the proliferation of players and the complexity of the software (and implicitly, support for legacy players), consider a couple of the alternatives:

1. Don't introduce new products: this is commercial suicide, especially considering Moore's Law. As good as the existing products are, they need new products not only for the marketing buzz they create, but also to take advantage of adding greater capabilities at the same or lower price point.

2. Introduce new products, and stop supporting old hardware: This is what a lot of companies do, and something that Slim Devices never did and Logitech has done as little as possible (eg, TinySC on the SB Touch won't support SliMP3 or SB1 players). What existing SB user is going to want to add a new device if it can't sync or interoperate with existing gear? Probably not many, and the alternative of replacing everything is usually very unattractive.

As pski pointed out, much of the new code -- although far from all -- goes into the player firmware, not the server software. And in some cases, the new products help make the old products better, with the most obvious case in point being the SB Controller. It was the first device based on SqueezeOS, and now the Radio and Touch are the 2nd and 3rd. A lot of the development effort on the Radio and Touch is showing payoffs on the SBC.

RonHatl
2009-10-19, 22:58
Let me just say that I consider new firmware as an integral part of a Squeezebox Server software release (as they almost always go hand in hand). So my concern is just as much related to firmware releases. If there is a bug in a release somewhere then most users will be indifferent whether it is software or firmware related, right?

That said; I'm not THAT concerned! I'm just stating a point that I think should be considered by the Logitech Squeezebox managers. I'm NOT saying that any of the alternatives above should be considered. Maybe JUST steps to ensure (keep/develop) the right STAFF (quantity, quality AND enthusiasm) should be considered? You know; all I wanted with this post was to point out a matter that I think deserves a little bit of attention from the managers. I am very sure (am I?) that the matter is in good hands :).

PS. Right now my kitchen SB3 is PERFECTLY playing Marley's eternal 'Three Little Birds'.. :)

AndreE
2009-10-20, 04:09
Diversity is always good as long as there is an abstraction layer
And I hope it is in place,
otherwise some of older products will need to go very soon