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unclemat
2009-10-08, 20:13
I just received the radio.

UPDATE: it's a POS full of bugs. I am sending mine back.

First sight? Upgrading software? Huh? It's no longer called firmware? I guess a change aimed to make it friendlier to non-geeks... evidenced also lack of messages such as acquiring DHCP address, etc.

Then annoyance - insisted on logging to mysqueezebox.com. It's tiresome to enter login info via knob (or remote). Likely because I've not upgraded my squeezecenter to the lastest version (but I discovered the incompatiblity only after logging to squeezenetwork - would be nice to be given message about this earlier).

Biggest let down - NO BACKLIT KEYS? What were they thinking? This thing is touted as an alarm clock radio replacement. I'd like to be able to see the keys when I turn off the lights.

Note, I am a very recent Squeezeboxer... discovered these fantastic devices less than a month ago! And already bought three before the Radio (yeah four Squeezeboxes in less than a month :rolleyes:): first SB3, then a Boom, then an used SB2. Loved them all right away. So I am not a case of the longtime user "resisting change".

Also I am not too fond of the LCD. Navigation looks choppy unlike the smooth VFD on my other Squeezeboxes. I guess it has its benefits, but I think the VFD is far more classy and elegant. The purpose and motivation to get the Squeezebox was to get away from the computer for digital music, and in a way the LCD puts one somewhat back into computer like look & feel. I guess I will be minority regarding this. The ipod generation will love the LCD screen.

I am not sure I am going to keep the Radio. Didn't even think I would take advantage of the 30 day satisfaction policy. I might. The lack of backlit keys might be the deal breaker. I bought the Boom new for $240 shipped, so the radio for $200 wasn't much of a deal. I bought it for the form factor and the option of becoming portable with the future battery pack.

Summary: not impressed.

unclemat
2009-10-08, 20:58
It's also buggy/faulty. On three occasions already it stopped playing for me , i.e. completely lost sound. It will show a song or a radio station being played but there is no sound at all. Hard restart fixes it.

mherger
2009-10-08, 22:20
> Another user experience gem... so to switch from a server to
> squeezenetwork (mysqueezebox.com now, phew) one goes to:

You shouldn't need to switch manually. It will connect to mysb.com
automatically if needed (eg. SBS is down).

toby10
2009-10-09, 03:26
.....
Then annoyance - insisted on logging to mysqueezebox.com. It's tiresome to enter login info via knob (or remote)......

This was debated in the Beta Radio testing program, and I was (am) in agreement with you. :)
For the first time purchaser of a SB player not presently running SBS then the current Radio initial setup model is great!
For existing SB customers running SBS it's an unnecessary routine of needless clicks and knob turns to get Radio setup. :(
IMveryHO :)

funkstar
2009-10-09, 03:45
First sight? Upgrading software? Huh? It's no longer called firmware? I guess a change aimed to make it friendlier to non-geeks... evidenced also lack of messages such as acquiring DHCP address, etc.
You could argue it either way from a geek point of view. The Radio runs a linus OS with a LUA interface on top and an audio player in the back ground. This is all labled as SqueezeOS. So yes, it is a lot more like software than the embedded firmware of the previous generation of players.


Also I am not too fond of the LCD.
You can't please everyone all the time :)

VFDs suck power, especially high resolution ones like in the SB3 and Boom, so battery life would be a lot lower than with an LCD. I was sceptical of the LCD on the Radio and Touch to begin with, but after using it all through the Beta Program, I've come to love it, and to be honest, the VFD on my Boom and SB3s looks pretty tired and old fashioned.

JJZolx
2009-10-09, 04:14
Good observations. I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the buttons aren't backlit. It's definitely a step backward in usability from the Boom.

The navigation of long lists can indeed be choppy. Compare navigating albums vs. navigating artists. The album navigation is hampered by the insistence on displaying the tiny artwork images, which each must be scaled to size. There have been a lot of requests for an option to suppress all artwork, both for speed and to maximize the area available for text.

The required SqueezeNetwork registration is an unfortunate development that also plagues the Squeezebox Touch setup. Hopefully, if users are vocal enough about it then it might go away.

Mnyb
2009-10-09, 04:38
Good observations. I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the buttons aren't backlit. It's definitely a step backward in usability from the Boom.

The navigation of long lists can indeed be choppy. Compare navigating albums vs. navigating artists. The album navigation is hampered by the insistence on displaying the tiny artwork images, which each must be scaled to size. There have been a lot of requests for an option to suppress all artwork, both for speed and to maximize the area available for text.

The required SqueezeNetwork registration is an unfortunate development that also plagues the Squeezebox Touch setup. Hopefully, if users are vocal enough about it then it might go away.

It also plagues the duet if you use 7.4 , the controller also use use this square peg trough round hole approach for us experienced users , with an existing setup :/ It is worse you can no longer set up an completely local system somewhere in the process an internet link to SN is needed.

egd
2009-10-09, 05:45
It is worse you can no longer set up an completely local system somewhere in the process an internet link to SN is needed. That is just plain bloody pathetic! I've got multiple SB3s, two Duets (doorstoppers) and a Transporter. None of these are Internet facing and I see no reason for them to be. Are these devices online toys or music players? Forcing users to do superfluous things that have no link whatsoever to their needs is just plain dumb, WTH???

gfuchs
2009-10-09, 06:00
Good observations. I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet that the buttons aren't backlit.

If the buttons were lit, I could see the complaint that it makes too much light in a dark bedroom. I remember reading a thread that indicated the ethernet port status lights were left off for that reason.

I've never had a clock radio with backlit buttons, but I get used to finding them by feel when the alarm goes off.

Having backlit buttons that are normally off until you touch something or the alarm goes off would be interesting.

vw195
2009-10-09, 06:03
I also did not care too much for entering the mysqueezebox login information. That was painful, but not nearly as painful as entering my 26 letter wpa key...ouch!!

It would be nice to have backlit keys as well. I plan on using ipeng and slimcontrol to control the radio so its not going to be a huge deal for me.

Siduhe
2009-10-09, 06:04
It is worse you can no longer set up an completely local system somewhere in the process an internet link to SN is needed.

This was discussed at length in the beta phase and lots of people feel the same way. However, my understanding is that an internet connection is not needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a local instance of Squeezecenter running.



You will be able to set up a Squeezebox and play local music without an account and without an Internet connection present.

In this scenario, the device will first attempt to connect to SqueezeNetwork. Since there is no Internet connection present, it will fail. However, if there is a SqueezeCenter instance running, you will be able to connect to SC.

It's just the internet stuff that requires you to use SN credentials.

Mnyb
2009-10-09, 07:00
This was discussed at length in the beta phase and lots of people feel the same way. However, my understanding is that an internet connection is not needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a local instance of Squeezecenter running.



It's just the internet stuff that requires you to use SN credentials.

Is this done yet, it was not working that way when I tried.
The setup does not point you to choose any local library before doing the network stuff. I found no sure way to abort that.
I don't intend to try again :) if somebody tells my that it is working i'm happy with that. I'll find out when I get my Touch .

However IMHO it should also be possible to set up localy even when an internet connection IS present. Mr "Director of Software Product Marketing" only says that it should revert to some kind of local setup if it sense no internet at all.

And also if an existing squeezeboxserver >7.4 with all credentials for network use, like my own is present. It is completely unnecessary and tedious to setup trough the device, it could just auto register to msb.com in the background.

So if they turn the setup procedure around it will work like a charm FIRST ask for the local server THEN proceed to mysb.com details if needed server could have incomplete creds or user could abort here if services are not wanted. IF no local server is available configure directly to mysb.com

Nobody will be confused buy a simple Q do you have a local server or the Q could be "do you have local music files" .

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 07:02
I've had the radio for a little more than 12 hours. Here are a few first impressions (this turned out to be pretty long):

1-Sound quality is really outstanding. This is a small bedside device, and it sounds great through the speaker. It does a pretty good job of making even low bit-rate streams sound good, and with good source material (local flac files, high bit-rate radio) is fantastic. It also sounded really nice with my Sony MDR-V6 headphones.

2-Setup. You have to be a geek to set this thing up. Fortunately I am, but it was still frustrating. I used the remote from one of my SB3s to enter accounts, wep-key etc, but it was still a 30 minute process. Also, as far as I can tell, you can't edit a network connection once it exists. Due to some wonkiness with my DHCP server, I initially had to set a static IP address. When I tried to go back to change it, the only way I could see to change it is to completely re-enter the network settings. To be fair, I use a hidden SSID and 128-bit WEP key, so I might be making things harder on myself, but the point is, it should be easy to see and change the settings without completely starting over, especially when it is that difficult to enter passwords.

3-Appearance and ergonomics. This is a really great looking device. I like the LCD a lot, and I really appreciate the fact that with automatic brightness control, it goes really dim. I have the power off screen server set to digital clock (black), and I sleep with my face about 12-18 inches from the clock. My last clock radio spent most of its time with the display off, because even at the lowest setting it illuminated half the bed. The SBR was perfect in that regard. I could always see the time, if I needed to, but the illumination never bothered me. I don't want to rave about it too much, but for me the implementation of the lcd screen is absolutely perfect.

Lack of backlit buttons is a plus for me, and it is reasonably easy to find the buttons by touch orienting from the two knobs. It could have and should have been made easier, but it works the way it is.

I don't like the menu structure. The main reason, is that it doesn't show you what has already been set at a glance. For example, when changing an alarm you should be able to see from the first screen, if the alarm is on, the time and days for the alarm, and the sound that the alarm makes. You have to go at least two levels deep to see what has already been set. I think this could easily be fixed.

It should be possible to re-order the menu items.

Why the @#$# can't I manage the menus from the web page???

It's too hard to see which source I'm using (SBS or MSB.com). And it's too hard to switch.

4-Alarms. This is the very worst thing about the Radio. My wife who is very non-technical needs to be able to set an alarm and know that it will go off. She also needs to be able to just hit one button to turn the alarm off till the next day. When the alarm went off this morning, I tried just hitting the power button, which I believe should stop the alarm. I had to hit it 4 or 5 times. I have a LOT of issues with the way the alarms work. It just shouldn't be this hard.

dave77
2009-10-09, 07:55
If the buttons were lit, I could see the complaint that it makes too much light in a dark bedroom. I remember reading a thread that indicated the ethernet port status lights were left off for that reason.



Lack of backlit buttons is a plus for me, and it is reasonably easy to find the buttons by touch orienting from the two knobs. It could have and should have been made easier, but it works the way it is.

Backlit buttons lit by a proximity sensor would've been nice (then fade off after x seconds), something I would expect at the price

eap
2009-10-09, 08:19
4-Alarms. This is the very worst thing about the Radio. My wife who is very non-technical needs to be able to set an alarm and know that it will go off. She also needs to be able to just hit one button to turn the alarm off till the next day. When the alarm went off this morning, I tried just hitting the power button, which I believe should stop the alarm. I had to hit it 4 or 5 times. I have a LOT of issues with the way the alarms work. It just shouldn't be this hard.

I asked about this in another thread. When the alarm fires, don't you get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)? That's what is indicated in the wiki.

There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 08:26
I asked about this in another thread. When the alarm fires, don't you get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)? That's what is indicated in the wiki.

There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

The only thing I saw on the screen was the clock. The power button didn't show me a menu or do anything until the third or fourth hit. I didn't try to hit the big knob, maybe I should have. However, I believe that presenting a menu, kind of misses the point of an alarm clock. When I'm just waking up I'm bleary eyed, and don't want to focus on menu text. I just want to press a button to shut the thing up. I'm not talking about snooze here, because i don't use snooze. I want to be able to punch one button, and get up knowing that the next alarm will fire, whether that is an hour later for my wife, or the next morning.

aubuti
2009-10-09, 08:37
It should be possible to re-order the menu items.

Why the @#$# can't I manage the menus from the web page???
This is an issue with all SqueezeOS devices (SB Controller, SB Radio, SB Touch). I see two major problems. One is that many useful items can only be on the Home Menu (set on the device itself via Settings > Home Menu), or nowhere at all. That means the home menu can get pretty crowded, which leads to problem #2, the inability to re-order menu items even on the Home menu.

Please vote for Bug 14004 (https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14004). You'll see from the comments there that a fix is in the plans, but sometimes a little push helps.

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 09:00
This is an issue with all SqueezeOS devices (SB Controller, SB Radio, SB Touch). I see two major problems. One is that many useful items can only be on the Home Menu (set on the device itself via Settings > Home Menu), or nowhere at all. That means the home menu can get pretty crowded, which leads to problem #2, the inability to re-order menu items even on the Home menu.

Please vote for Bug 14004 (https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14004). You'll see from the comments there that a fix is in the plans, but sometimes a little push helps.

Voted. I guess I didn't know that since this is my first SqueezeOS device.

aubuti
2009-10-09, 09:06
Voted. I guess I didn't know that since this is my first SqueezeOS device.
Thanks. While the second problem (lack of re-ordering) has been around since the introduction of the SBC, in my opinion that problem is magnified tremendously by the new Home-menu-or-nothing paradigm that came along with SBS 7.4.0 and the associated firmware. All the 'My Apps' stuff doesn't seem to help, either.

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 09:14
Thanks. While the second problem (lack of re-ordering) has been around since the introduction of the SBC, in my opinion that problem is magnified tremendously by the new Home-menu-or-nothing paradigm that came along with SBS 7.4.0 and the associated firmware. All the 'My Apps' stuff doesn't seem to help, either.

Actually the second problem (not well articulated by me) is just the lack of setting up the "home or nothing" scenario from the web page. It would be easier to live with the inability to re-order, if I could manage what does show up from the web UI instead of clicking around the tiny screen on the SB radio with the big knob and the back button. It would also be nice if I could set that up once and have it sync to both mysqueezbox and squeezebox server.

aubuti
2009-10-09, 09:36
Actually the second problem (not well articulated by me) is just the lack of setting up the "home or nothing" scenario from the web page. It would be easier to live with the inability to re-order, if I could manage what does show up from the web UI instead of clicking around the tiny screen on the SB radio with the big knob and the back button. It would also be nice if I could set that up once and have it sync to both mysqueezbox and squeezebox server.
Not being able to set home-or-nothing from the web page never bothered me, but I can imagine how it could be annoying to you and others. If I understand Matt's comments in the bug/enhancement report it sounds like at this point they are planning to emphasize customizing the menus via MySB and on-device, and not necessarily via the web interface to SC/SBS.

At present MySB has what I think is a very nice interface for customizing the home menu on the older (IP3K) players like SB2, SB3, Boom, and Transporter. I'd be happy with something like that for the SqueezeOS devices, and even happier if the customization could be extended to the second menu level.

eap
2009-10-09, 09:46
The only thing I saw on the screen was the clock. The power button didn't show me a menu or do anything until the third or fourth hit. I didn't try to hit the big knob, maybe I should have. However, I believe that presenting a menu, kind of misses the point of an alarm clock. When I'm just waking up I'm bleary eyed, and don't want to focus on menu text. I just want to press a button to shut the thing up. I'm not talking about snooze here, because i don't use snooze. I want to be able to punch one button, and get up knowing that the next alarm will fire, whether that is an hour later for my wife, or the next morning.

I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is a setting that needs to be changed:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Image:SnoozeWindow.png

toby10
2009-10-09, 09:49
If for no other reason, Menu organization to match (or as close as possible) the Menu structure of all players in my use.

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 10:09
I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is a setting that needs to be changed:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Image:SnoozeWindow.png

That's not what I saw. All I saw was the clock.

gdpeck
2009-10-09, 10:17
Not being able to set home-or-nothing from the web page never bothered me, but I can imagine how it could be annoying to you and others. If I understand Matt's comments in the bug/enhancement report it sounds like at this point they are planning to emphasize customizing the menus via MySB and on-device, and not necessarily via the web interface to SC/SBS.


If for no other reason, Menu organization to match (or as close as possible) the Menu structure of all players in my use.

I used the term web UI interchangeably. I don't care if it's via SC/SBS or via MySB, if I have the option to sync them. I do want the same menu structure regardless of what I'm connected to, and accross all of my players.


At present MySB has what I think is a very nice interface for customizing the home menu on the older (IP3K) players like SB2, SB3, Boom, and Transporter. I'd be happy with something like that for the SqueezeOS devices, and even happier if the customization could be extended to the second menu level.

Agreed. The MySB interface with the drag and drop is really cool.

iPhone
2009-10-09, 10:43
To address the lack of back lit buttons, I believe this was based on the decision to meet a price point, make assembly easier, and increase battery life. They were not forgotten it was a product and bussiness decision.

As to having to have an Internet connection, my opinion is that decision is based on 3 main things. First so that units could be produced and stock piled with only a firmware that meets the ability to get logged in and on line so a production firmware can be down loaded later when the product is released. If it wasn't done this way, they would just be running them off the line now and we would all be awaiting a couple more months. Another reason is that this is the first " Smart" player released and the game has changed. SBS and the new seemless MySB requied this and remember Touch is coming.

bluegaspode
2009-10-09, 10:45
That's not what I saw. All I saw was the clock.

I tried out the alarm and the menu appears for me.

Pushing the button start snoozing, dialing right and pushing stops the alarms.
So you don't have to watch the display to use both options.

Furthermore I tried the 'pause' button, which stopped the alarm too.


Pressing the Power-Button turned the radio off (showing a big clock), pressing it again turned it on and I still had the menu for turning off the alarm. So I guess the power button is not really used to stop the alarm.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 14:18
>This was debated in the Beta Radio testing program, and I was (am) in
>agreement with you. :)
I think most people were in agreement. In particular:

1. Entering an email address is awkward - needing to enter @ and several "." characters means scrolling up/down a lot.

2. Some poeple enter false email addresses to avoid spam. Having previously configured an account via the web site (maybe after confirming via email), the email address may be forgotton/trashed. Then, when trying to use Radio, they have to find their email address in order to access the MySqueezebox account. I believe website access used to require an Account name previously? Brand new customers can create an account (email address/password) via the setup screen directly from Radio player, so it's okay for them, but for existing customers it's a bit awkward.

Entering a Username would have been easier and more memorable.

3. Most testers complained that they should not be forced to use MySqueezebox.com - i.e. skip this setup step. This is even less appropriate for Touch, where users may only have/want to play local music, or use the embedded Squeezebox Server (TinySC) to play music from a USB device/memory stick, and may not even be connected to the internet.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 14:31
>I asked about this in another thread. When the alarm fires, don't you
>get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)? That's what is
>indicated in the wiki.
>
>There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
>the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

This is assuming that the Radio will be used as a bedroom device. That is not the only use for alarms.

I don't have a need for a Snooze funtion or Alarm off function. I use the device in the kitchen, with an alarm to turn a news radio station on in the morning for breakfast. I don't want to see a screen saying that the alarm is on, with options to turn it off or snooze, or have to remember to press Back before being able to access other funtions without losing the radio station.

I just want the alarm to turn music on at a set time, and stay on until I press stop or power (i.e. usual functionality).

There's an enhancement request that I raised which suggests that each alarm should be configurable, such that you can decide whether you want an alarm to provide snooze/alarm off functionality, or just turn music on and immediately exit alarm mode.

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13602

MrSinatra
2009-10-09, 14:42
I am not sure I am going to keep the Radio. Didn't even think I would take advantage of the 30 day satisfaction policy. I might. The lack of backlit keys might be the deal breaker. I bought the Boom new for $240 shipped, so the radio for $200 wasn't much of a deal. I bought it for the form factor and the option of becoming portable with the future battery pack.

Summary: not impressed.

where did u get a new boom for $240? thats cheaper than the sbradio with battery!

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 14:58
>> I think you should see this (when the alarm fires) -- perhaps there is a
>> setting that needs to be changed:
>
That wouldn't be particularly useful.

Okay, nice to see what the time is, and some people would like to be able to snooze or turn off alarm, but the screen doesn't show what is playing. The alarm button can be pressed to turn the alarm off, and it is annoying that there isn't a distinct snooze button on the top of the device like Boom.

But one of the reasons why I like a media player for an alarm, is so I can see the extra detail. i.e. I play random music as an alarm; it's a great way of discovering music I haven't heard in ages. But sometimes something comes on that I don't recognise - which is also good for waking me up, as it gets me thinking. I usually glance over to see what is playing, and often also look to see what will play next, to decide whether to stay in bed for a few more minutes. Others may play an internet radio station and thus also hear something playing that they want to discover more about, but won't be able to see because all you get to see on the screen is two mechanisms for stopping playback.

JJZolx
2009-10-09, 15:09
Pressing the Power-Button turned the radio off (showing a big clock), pressing it again turned it on and I still had the menu for turning off the alarm. So I guess the power button is not really used to stop the alarm.

No, the alarm is turned off with the power button - it's not snoozing. There's no need to turn the Radio back on. If you just leave it off (really 'standby') it will be turned back on for any subsequent alarms. Just don't power it off completely by using a long hold of the power button.

I'm not sure why the alarm menu reappears when you turn the Radio back on, though. Maybe there's a reason, but it sounds more like a bug.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 15:25
>As to having to have an Internet connection, my opinion is that
>decision is based on 3 main things. First so that units could be
>produced and stock piled with only a firmware that meets the ability to
>get logged in and on line so a production firmware can be down loaded
>later when the product is released. If it wasn't done this way, they
>would just be running them off the line now and we would all be awaiting
>a couple more months.
>
Auto update is quite good, but I don't see why there needs to be an authenticated MySqueezebox.com account to get it. i.e. you can download software from the internet without entering an account on most sites.

Also, firmware updates can come via a local Squeezebox Server.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 15:49
>However, my understanding is that an internet connection
>is *not* needed for setup and playback of local music, if you have a
>local instance of Squeezecenter running.
>
I don't think that's the case, or if so, it's certainly not obvious.

It was said that setup should be quick to get the user to the point where music can be played, and that was justification for changing from the SB3 setup model of connecting to a local Squeezebox Server (which would require installing software on a PC before music could be played), to the new setup model of requiring an internet connection and making no attempt to find local music.

Personally, I think it should ask what music the user would like to setup the device to use:
1. Use local squeezebox Server for playing your music
2. Use MySqueezebox.com for playing internet music
3. Device-only (Tiny SC), for playing music on a USB device [Touch player setup only]

Potentially, there could be an option to configure device with no Squeezebox Server or MySqueezebox.com. e.g. to use it as an amplifier for a portable media player (line-in), or when the player cannot connect to a wireless router and you just want to set up the rest of the device and at least use it as a clock (maybe alarm clock with simple tone beep), whilst waiting for internet/PC to get fixed.

I've heard rumours that you can press Back when asked to enter MySqueezebox.com account details, to skip that stage. If so, I don't think there's anything to highlight that is possible; it's almost like it's still seen as a mandatory requirement to connect to their website to authenticate the player, and if there are issues they will then tell you the secret way to bypass that step.

eap
2009-10-09, 15:49
>I asked about this in another thread. When the alarm fires, don't you
>get a menu with 2 choices (turn off alarm or snooze)? That's what is
>indicated in the wiki.
>
>There is a 3rd implied choice to hit the back button to keep playing
>the stream from the alarm (ie. get rid of the alarm fired menu).

This is assuming that the Radio will be used as a bedroom device. That is not the only use for alarms.

I don't have a need for a Snooze funtion or Alarm off function. I use the device in the kitchen, with an alarm to turn a news radio station on in the morning for breakfast. I don't want to see a screen saying that the alarm is on, with options to turn it off or snooze, or have to remember to press Back before being able to access other funtions without losing the radio station.

I just want the alarm to turn music on at a set time, and stay on until I press stop or power (i.e. usual functionality).

There's an enhancement request that I raised which suggests that each alarm should be configurable, such that you can decide whether you want an alarm to provide snooze/alarm off functionality, or just turn music on and immediately exit alarm mode.

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13602

Agreed. There should be NO menu shown when the alarm fires. Most alarm clocks just have the alarm go off. You either keep it playing by doing nothing, or you turn it off entirely.

When the alarm goes off, you should see the time for perhaps a configurable amount of seconds (say 5 seconds), then it automatically should go to the now playing screen.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 16:08
>And also if an existing squeezeboxserver >7.4 with all credentials for
>network use, like my own is present. It is completely unnecessary and
>tedious to setup trough the device, it could just auto register to
>msb.com in the background.
>
I agree. Setup could attempt to connect to a local Squeezebox Server. If it finds one on the local network, then use it and retrieve MySqueezebox.com account details that may have been configured from there to avoid having to type it in. In most cases, the only setup required for a new player would be to connect it to the local network.

This is how the classic player setup used to work - it asked for a server to connect to. If it didn't find one, it could connect to SN.

The reason for the change was apparently that this is too confusing; takes too long for a new user to unpackage device and get it running; that the user first needs to install some software on their computer (and that they might not even have a computer, although I think anyone in the market for a media player would have at least one PC in their household). I don't understand that; there's no reason why it can't offer the option to connect to either local or remote, or intelligently search for a local server first, and if not ask for MySqueezebox.com account info.

iPod's can't be used until you've installed iTunes, and it didn't seem to hinder iPod sales too much!

The actual reason may be that they want to tie players to their server to offer extra marketting, tracking product usage, etc. For the typical person looking for a device to play internet radio streams, they will not see the need for MySqueezebox.com at all - just configure a few default radio stations into the player and directly connect to play those sources.

MySqueezebox.com can provide extras and has a use, but it shouldn't be a necessary requirement forced upon at device setup.

Philip Meyer
2009-10-09, 16:15
>When the alarm goes off, you should see the time for perhaps a
>configurable amount of seconds (say 5 seconds), then it automatically
>should go to the now playing screen.
Displaying the time on the Now Playing screen would be my preference.

This is what I do with my SB3 in the bedroom for an alarm clock. I use the MusicInfoSCR screensaver as a replacement for the Now Playing screensaver, configured to show the current time top-right.

unclemat
2009-10-09, 19:03
where did u get a new boom for $240? thats cheaper than the sbradio with battery!

From electronics-expo.com. They had it for $250 few weeks ago, and with some coupon, it came to ~$240 shipped for me. Seems they have jacked up the price since.

peterw
2009-10-10, 06:16
I don't care if it's via SC/SBS or via MySB, if I have the option to sync them.

I care. The security model for MySB isn't as good as I'd like (passwords without https?), and I don't want my players changing behavior (especially not installing real runs-on-the-player apps!!!) because some MySB server asked them to. Security for SN/MySB needs to improve now that the player capabilites and risks have changed.

unclemat
2009-10-11, 17:29
This thing is buggy. Was sitting idle, only to be found showing empty playlist and no button would do anything. I could not even power it off by holding the power button. Had to yank the power cable out.

I am near the decision to send it back and pick up another Boom. Portability is not super important to me.

unclemat
2009-10-11, 18:08
Another changed/missing feature - I noticed that while browsing the library, pressing a number key on the remote does not take one to the position in the list as indicated by the letter associated with the number, but instead it just selects a preset (if assigned).

Quite an oversight. Using knob is pretty quick, but it's really bad UE design that remote functions from previous the older devices are not preserved.

JJZolx
2009-10-12, 01:01
Another changed/missing feature

The SMBU had a release deadline to meet and they met it. There are definitely some bugs and some missing features that aren't talked about a lot, but I think that most will soon be taken care of. If I were deciding whether or not to return the unit I wouldn't worry so much about the software, but would make the decision based upon the hardware features and the sound quality.

peterw
2009-10-12, 07:41
If I were deciding whether or not to return the unit I wouldn't worry so much about the software, but would make the decision based upon the hardware features and the sound quality.

I expect that gross bugs like the power button not working will be fixed, but unclemat also wrote "it's really bad UE design that remote functions from previous the older devices are not preserved". It seems clear to me that Logitech has no intention of making the new players behave like the old ones (especially touch-to-play, but the change in how presets are handled also seems deliberate), and I expect that they also don't intend to make the old players adapt all the new behaviors of the new players (touch to play, + means more, etc.). If you want Radio to behave just like your other gear, I think you're out of luck (unless you are a programmer and want to do a lot of work yourself), and will need to decide how important that aspect is for you.

unclemat
2009-10-12, 17:04
I am testing the Radio and Boom side by side at the moment. It's immediately obvious that the Boom display reacts much faster to user inputs. There is no lag on Boom at all, while there is noticeable lag on the Radio. Most offending is the power off button. Sound gets cut quickly, but display sticks around for like one second.

Combined with mushy feel of the rubber buttons on the Radio, the UI experience is less satisfying.

gweempose
2009-10-12, 17:19
Combined with mushy feel of the rubber buttons on the Radio, the UI experience is less satisfying ...I'm digging the Radio, but I do agree that it doesn't feel as solid as the Boom. Clearly, concessions were made to meet a certain price point. The non-backlit buttons is a key example of this.

Ikabob
2009-10-12, 17:36
I really do like the SBRadio. I think it is very solid compared to other similar radios. It has a nice cool look to it and the sound quality is very good. The functionality is very good and the speed is fine; I do not expect it to behave exactly like the SBBoom...it's a miniature. I call it my Baby Boom and it does things that a radio should do in its place...mine is in the kitchen. My Boom is next to my bed and serves me well there. So, I think that Logitech did a very good job in designing the Baby Boom. As a matter of fact I am thrilled with all the Logitech products that I have. I have never listened to so much variety of music;listened to many football games that are not locally broadcast; listened to interesting talk shows. I sympathize with those who are finding some minor faults but I am very (extremely) satisfied with my Baby squeeze.

unclemat
2009-10-12, 17:59
Well, I admit I see benefits of the multi line screen and some changes in the interface (like press the dial to play).

But the amount of bugs in the unit is pretty annoying. Another bug - selecting an item on a random mix playlist (song mix) causes the cursor to jump to whatever relative (wrt to the beginning) position after the list is refreshed. One would expect it stay at the selected song.

Meeting a date certainly trumps quality at Logitech. I see it my company and hate it with passion. I am almost there to decide to send it back.

MeSue
2009-10-12, 18:56
Another changed/missing feature - I noticed that while browsing the library, pressing a number key on the remote does not take one to the position in the list as indicated by the letter associated with the number, but instead it just selects a preset (if assigned).

Here's the open bug if you'd like to track it: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13779

unclemat
2009-10-12, 19:43
That is just plain bloody pathetic! I've got multiple SB3s, two Duets (doorstoppers) and a Transporter. None of these are Internet facing and I see no reason for them to be. Are these devices online toys or music players? Forcing users to do superfluous things that have no link whatsoever to their needs is just plain dumb, WTH???

It's not all bad. I disabled the connection to the outside world, reset the radio to the factory settings/firmware and it did recognize my server and offered connection to it. I have not connected it since to mysqueezebox.com again and never will.

gweempose
2009-10-12, 20:11
I have not connected it since to mysqueezebox.com again and never will.I'm beginning to feel the same way. I just spent most of the evening trying to get my players to work properly with mysb.com, and I found the whole experience to be incredibly frustrating. Fortunately, everything seems to work just fine when I'm going through my local Squeezebox Server.

gdpeck
2009-10-12, 21:19
I have not connected it since to mysqueezebox.com again and never will.


I'm beginning to feel the same way. I just spent most of the evening trying to get my players to work properly with mysb.com, and I found the whole experience to be incredibly frustrating. Fortunately, everything seems to work just fine when I'm going through my local Squeezebox Server.

This may not be the thread to pile on about this, but I'm in complete agreement about the new mysqueezebox.com interface. It is awful compared to the old one. The remote control functionality, is overly complicated, from the hard to notice (at least for me) link, to the fact that it opens up in a new window, and there is no "more" functionality even there.

The only "improvement" that I applaud is the drag and drop favorites. Problem is, that getting an address into the favorites list in the first place is super frustrating. I have found NO workable way to get favorites into the mysb.com favs list from the radio. I ended up saving them from my SB3. That isn't going to appeal to the new to internet radio and streaming customer that Logitech needs to go after.

I would give up on it as well, but it now looks like the only way to get apps like pandora and last.fm to work is to link squeezebox server to a mysb.com account, so I'm stuck with it.

seanadams
2009-10-13, 00:12
For existing SB customers running SBS it's an unnecessary routine of needless clicks and knob turns to get Radio setup. :(
IMveryHO :)

Not just existing customers.... _especially_ for new customers, having to provide your data for marketing purposes before hearing (free/your) music is an abysmal out-of-box-experience. If you don't like it, let them know.

toby10
2009-10-13, 04:04
Not just existing customers.... _especially_ for new customers, having to provide your data for marketing purposes before hearing (free/your) music is an abysmal out-of-box-experience. If you don't like it, let them know.

Hiya Sean :)

Yes, I did let them know in the Radio beta program, as did other beta testers.

usch
2009-10-13, 07:26
Then annoyance - insisted on logging to mysqueezebox.com.

Hm. What if you don't have an account? I do not intend to register with any online service, I only want to play my own music and maybe listen to some shoutcast stations by URL. I really wanted a Radio, but if registration is mandatory I won't buy one :-/

vw195
2009-10-13, 07:34
Hm. What if you don't have an account? I do not intend to register with any online service, I only want to play my own music and maybe listen to some shoutcast stations by URL. I really wanted a Radio, but if registration is mandatory I won't buy one :-/

So you would sign up for an account to their forums but not to their website?!?

unclemat
2009-10-13, 07:53
Hm. What if you don't have an account? I do not intend to register with any online service, I only want to play my own music and maybe listen to some shoutcast stations by URL. I really wanted a Radio, but if registration is mandatory I won't buy one :-/

See post #49:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=471381&postcount=49

Can be circumvented if you disable Internet connection and install the server locally first.

Siduhe
2009-10-13, 09:44
If you want to use music services like Last.fm, Internet Radio or Napster, you need a mysqueezebox.com account and the player needs to have internet access.

If you only want to play local files using Squeezecenter, you do not need to follow through on the registration process.

Lots of people felt very strongly about this during the beta process - a link to a post from Logitech (or at least me quoting the post which explains the position) is below:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=469620&highlight=local#post469620

usch
2009-10-13, 12:00
Lots of people felt very strongly about this during the beta process - a link to a post from Logitech (or at least me quoting the post which explains the position) is below:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=469620&highlight=local#post469620

Thanks. Yes, I have read that post, but the next reply was "Is this done yet, it was not working that way when I tried", so I was not sure if it does actually work.

What about software/firmware updates? Will I be able to download and install them manually?


So you would sign up for an account to their forums but not to their website?!?

That's a different cup of tea. I might even sign up for a mysqueezebox.com account if it is optional, not mandatory. But I have seen too many free sites being shut down or turned into paid subscription services. What if Logitech decides to discontinue mysqueezebox.com in five years? You never know what business decision is made next, and I don't want to end up with a piece of hardware that has become useless because it is tied to a no longer existent online service.

toby10
2009-10-13, 13:19
Hm. What if you don't have an account? I do not intend to register with any online service, I only want to play my own music and maybe listen to some shoutcast stations by URL. I really wanted a Radio, but if registration is mandatory I won't buy one :-/

I'm with you 100% on simplifying initial setup without any need for MySB.
You do not need a MySB account to use the Radio with your SBS, but I do not know how to do that.

However, I'd strongly recommend getting a MySB account. There are LOTS of incredible, free services available like Pandora*, Slacker*, Last.fm, RadioTime, and others. And if, as you say, you like ShoutCast (as I do) the SBS and MySB have a very nice ShoutCast interface including Bitrate Filtering (ShoutCast searches return only the highest bitrate streams).

* = Great free portions of their paid service, no subscription required.

If your registration anxiety is a fear that Logitech will spam you or sell your email, they will not. Never happened to me in 2+ years. You can always use a disposable email (Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail, etc...) then simply never use that email again after registration.

I never thought I'd use the free subscription services either, but I'm hooked on them now and listen to them far more than my own music collection. Plus they are a great way to discover new artists that are very similar to what you already like. :)

Just a thought.

eap
2009-10-13, 13:40
I never thought I'd use the free subscription services either, but I'm hooked on them now and listen to them far more than my own music collection. Plus they are a great way to discover new artists that are very similar to what you already like. :)

Just a thought.


+ 1

I originally bought a duet for the sole purpose of not having to directly hook up an ipod to my a/v receiver to play my own music. Only after buying the duet did I discover Radio IO; Pandora, last.fm and the like. I had never heard of these things until then (or only had a vague idea that they existed). But I now listen to these services way more than my own music collection.

Not to mention the weird satisfaction in being able to listen to radio stations in exotic lands, in cities you can't even pronounce, much less spell.

Sike
2009-10-13, 23:21
However, I'd strongly recommend getting a MySB account. There are LOTS of incredible, free services available like Pandora*, Slacker*, Last.fm, RadioTime, and others. And if, as you say, you like ShoutCast (as I do) the SBS and MySB have a very nice ShoutCast interface including Bitrate Filtering (ShoutCast searches return only the highest bitrate streams).


Which is all great... if (and only) you live in the US..

Craig124
2009-10-14, 12:56
Well, my first impression, erm impressed, this is the unit I was originally after a while back but got a boom. Not gone into great details with the settings yet. Used the 20 percent code to purchase, amazing del from the netherlands to uk, 2 days, thanks logi.

Very impressed with the sound from one speaker, screens bright vivid, very viewable quite impressed even though its a small screen. 15 mins to setup due to previous knowledge.

Sat here listening to all my tunes through my vortexbox software pc, with my facebook photos slideshowing on the screen, I think my 7inch digi photoframes off to ebay.

will probalby find some niggles, like other people, but so far not to shabby.

Furry
2009-10-14, 13:14
First impression: very impressed. Sounds amazing, and display and user interface are great.

Actually, I'm so impressed with the display that I'm wondering whether to 'replace' one of my SB3's with a Touch. The Facebook app really begins to work when there's a display like this has (and the Touch has). I also like it for the album art and the little icons against radio stations, and even radio progs for e.g. BBC iPlayer.

I'll be buying a red one too, if I can. Oh, and a couple of batteries.

Yes, I'm sure there are a few bugs to be found, and I am finding it a bit tricky to switch between SBS and squeezenetwork (or whatever it's called now), and to know which of these the radio is actually connected to, but I'm happy with this thing so far.

Well done squeeze people.

Dave.

usch
2009-10-14, 14:40
However, I'd strongly recommend getting a MySB account. There are LOTS of incredible, free services available like Pandora*, Slacker*, Last.fm, RadioTime, and others. And if, as you say, you like ShoutCast (as I do) the SBS and MySB have a very nice ShoutCast interface including Bitrate Filtering (ShoutCast searches return only the highest bitrate streams).
I actually have a last.fm account, but I found their "radio" so unreliable (skipping, stopping in the middle of a track, playing totally unrelated songs because there happen to be two bands with the same name, etc.) that I hardly ever listen to it. I mainly use the service to get event recommendations, and keep track of the events I have attended. Don't know the other services though, maybe I'll give them a try.


If your registration anxiety is a fear that Logitech will spam you or sell your email, they will not.

No, not at all. I already get so many spam mails each day that I would not even notice if there were one or two more ;-)

I just don't want a device that is associated with an online service in such a way that it becomes useless if that service is discontinued or suffers a major downtime.

Unfortunately that seems to be the impression that you get from the Radio when you first turn it on and it insists on connecting to SqueezeNetwork. If I had already bought one before reading this thread, I might have put it back into the box and returned it at that point. At least there should be a note in the users manual how to set it up for entirely local operation, IMHO.

linvale
2009-10-14, 16:00
Having lived very happily with an SB3, Boom and Transporter and controller for over a year the radio has been a great addition. I really enjoy the interface and its inspired me to sort out my album art tags and address some of mistakes I have in the organization of my music collection. Really with 7.41 the bathroom radio has been used a lot and is now synced with my bedside Boom so I can follow NPR in the morning or listen to a randomly selected set of music as I get started for the day or retire for the night. I think this is going to be a big hit as the initial gremlins are worked out and a others like me find it just works out of the box...no hassle!

unclemat
2009-10-14, 16:06
Decided. I am sending mine back.

I came back home today, attempt to turn it on ended up with weird behavior, blank context menu, music not playing. Needless to say the Boom next to it works without a hitch.

It's a crap as it stands now. I might give it another chance in a year or so, perhaps they will work out bugs by then. Now, I am ordering another Boom.

Ikabob
2009-10-14, 18:32
Unclemat, Maybe you have not given it enough time to actually get use to the functionality. It is an awesome device. Give it the 30 days you have to try it. Learn its idiosyncrasies. It took me a while to learn the Boom but now I know it. Same with the Radio...I am still learning it. So far I think it is awesome. Bugs??? Well...all products that I am familiar with that involve wireless and internet take some public use to iron out the kinks. With user feedback,in time they get ironed out. This is what I am finding out with Logitech...they will work it out. IMHO

toby10
2009-10-15, 03:41
................
I just don't want a device that is associated with an online service in such a way that it becomes useless if that service is discontinued or suffers a major downtime...........

Understandable. But I can say that with well over two years using SB players I have experienced very little downtime utilizing Internet Radio and Music Services, and obviously these are completely dependent upon SN/MySB being functional. I literally stream 24/7 to my Boom, it is never off. :)

Being dependent on an online service like SN/MySB has it's advantages and disadvantages. For me, I love having all my streaming services on such an online service as it simplifies both management and use of my Music Services and saved Favorite stations. All accounts and Favorites are accessible from any computer or SB player anywhere I go (assuming I have access to high speed internet). I bring my SB players to many functions with friends and family, they love it, no computer needed.

The down side, as you state, is if Logitech were to pull the plug on MySB or just stop actively supporting it. This slow death is currently happening to the Roku service. But seeing that Logitech is investing so much time, money, effort, and resources into MySB... plus investing heavily into two new players (both will be BIG hits IMO).... one of these players (Radio) is almost specifically designed for MySB use.... I don't see MySB having such Roku-like issues for many years to come. It could come tomorrow, who knows, but I think this is highly unlikely. :)

Patrick Dixon
2009-10-15, 04:00
Not just existing customers.... _especially_ for new customers, having to provide your data for marketing purposes before hearing (free/your) music is an abysmal out-of-box-experience. If you don't like it, let them know.

It was flagged many times during the beta program, but since they knew better then what would change their minds now?

jmpage2
2009-11-11, 23:49
It was flagged many times during the beta program, but since they knew better then what would change their minds now?

If they get a large number of returns due to the registration process they might reconsider their stand in a later version of the radio firmware.

I am also concerned about the heavy reliance on mysb.com for the use of these new products. Many of us will want to use them for a decade or longer but how long will the site be maintained? What happens if logitech goes belly up?

I have bought the radio and greatly dig it. I am now torn between a v3 classic or a touch to replace an ailing v1. The mysb.com stuff makes me hesitant about the new player.

funkstar
2009-11-13, 14:26
I am also concerned about the heavy reliance on mysb.com for the use of these new products. Many of us will want to use them for a decade or longer but how long will the site be maintained? What happens if logitech goes belly up?
As mysb.com is now an integral part of the setup, it isn't going anywhere.

Worrying about Logitech going bust is a bit like worrying about Windows updates if Microsoft goes bust.

MelonMonkey
2009-11-14, 13:39
Worrying about Logitech going bust is a bit like worrying about Windows updates if Microsoft goes bust.

Have you checked the market cap of both companies lately to quantify that statement? ;) Not even close.

Worrying about MySB.com is a perfectly valid concern, regardless of whether one thinks Logitech will be around in the future.

However, I think the lifecycle of the current products would be pretty much over by the time MySB.com failed to provide the necessary interfaces. In other words, it's not a short-term likelihood that there will be any issues.

funkstar
2009-11-14, 13:41
Have you checked the market cap of both companies lately to quantify that statement? ;) Not even close.
That wasn't meant to be a direct comparison, just meant as an illustration :)

christhedon
2009-11-15, 04:02
I'm beginning to feel the same way. I just spent most of the evening trying to get my players to work properly with mysb.com, and I found the whole experience to be incredibly frustrating. Fortunately, everything seems to work just fine when I'm going through my local Squeezebox Server.

two things:

1) Can you get your radio to sync music properly with your other devices?? I can't its 80% out of sync.
2) How are you dealing with the volume sync issue, i.e. squeezebox radio only has one volume (the sync volume) and no master volume.

PS everybody a bug has been raised for (2), even though it should have come as standard... https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15011


Thanks,

Chris

yobyot
2009-11-15, 12:31
Well, I just finished setting up my Radio -- which I bought on impulse on sale at BestBuy for $149.

This allows me to put my Boom downstairs and use the Radio as my bedside unit.

I AM impressed...by sync. I didn't realize I could get both players to play the same thing until I stumbled across it in the menus.

Voila! A whole-house system without wires at a fraction of the cost of Sonos or the new Sony SAIR system.

The Radio doesn't sound as good as the Boom, of course, and I miss the lack of a standard remote (and the need to buy one with a battery I might not ever use).

My big disappointment? The ReadyNAS NV+ I use for my library. Streaming from the ReadyNAS NV+ is now (with 7.4.1) flawless. The problem is performance in the web UI on the ReadyNAS. It's terrible. I've tried doubling the memory in the NAS, to no avail.

I guess I am just going to have to buy a new desktop so I can demote my old one to become a dedicated Squeezecenter server.

Product suggestion: next Xmas, how about a slightly larger Boom++ with a color screen, HDMI inputs/outputs and even better acoustics? After 30 years as an audiophile, I got tired of wires everywhere and huge receivers and speakers all over my family room. I got rid of everything.

Now, I have a flat screen, a DVD player and the Boom in the entertainment center. If the Boom could grow up a little, offer just a little more connectivity and audio performance, it could put a dagger in the heart of both $1500 receivers and $500 soundbars in home systems.

(And how much would I love to beta test such a device? Squeezebox engineering/product management: you listening?

aubuti
2009-11-15, 12:47
two things:

1) Can you get your radio to sync music properly with your other devices?? I can't its 80% out of sync.
2) How are you dealing with the volume sync issue, i.e. squeezebox radio only has one volume (the sync volume) and no master volume.

PS everybody a bug has been raised for (2), even though it should have come as standard... https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15011

1) Sync is working fine for me. What are you trying to sync (internet radio, Pandora, local FLAC, etc.)? What's your server, local SBS or MySB.com?

2) I can see why some people would want a master sync that allows different levels to be set on different devices, and then move those up and down together, preserving the relative volume differences. I'm not one of those people. Just because I want to turn it up louder in the kitchen doesn't mean the people in the living room want to hear it louder on that system (I know, they've told me!). So I prefer completely local (ie, not sync'd) control of volume, except for pause/off. But for others I can see why this is a desired feature.

linvale
2009-11-15, 18:19
Not sure why, but sometimes the radio is out of sync with my boom (which are in adjacent bedroom and bath and are used every morning together as I start the day)- there is a delay of a fraction of a second but enough to make them sound terribele. Stopping play and restarting corrects it - and it isn't 80% of the time - but it is mysterious.

aubuti
2009-11-15, 20:46
Not sure why, but sometimes the radio is out of sync with my boom (which are in adjacent bedroom and bath and are used every morning together as I start the day)- there is a delay of a fraction of a second but enough to make them sound terribele. Stopping play and restarting corrects it - and it isn't 80% of the time - but it is mysterious.
What are you trying to sync? If it is internet radio via MySB.com, then you are lucky to get them to sync ever. Moreover there is nothing you could do to make them sync reliably because two independent streams are being sent. For practically every other case you should be able to sync two hardware players. With a few more details it may be possible to determine if what you're trying to do is feasible, and if so, why it's not working for you.

toby10
2009-11-16, 05:15
..............
Product suggestion: next Xmas, how about a slightly larger Boom++ with a color screen, HDMI inputs/outputs and even better acoustics? After 30 years as an audiophile, I got tired of wires everywhere and huge receivers and speakers all over my family room. I got rid of everything........

The SB Radio is one great little box, isn't it?

The general consensus (no actual inside information) is that your product suggestion for a Boom replacement is likely coming. Color LCD screen, almost certainly. Improved acoustics, would be great but I'm not sure they could make it any better than it is without enlarging the Boom's enclosure. HDMI, not likely as it would add little benefit to a portable music player.

Big question is when we might see a Boom II (assuming one is coming at all)? My money is on summer to fall 2010. :)