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p-cubed
2009-09-26, 19:43
Can anyone address whether Squeezecenter 7.4.0-28647 is sufficiently close to the about-to-be-released version 7.4 that I might go ahead and install, with reasonable prospect of successful use? I could certainly wait till Monday for the actual release version, but have free time this weekend to burn.

Thanks!

pfarrell
2009-09-26, 19:49
p-cubed wrote:
> Can anyone address whether Squeezecenter 7.4.0-28647 is sufficiently
> close to the about-to-be-released version 7.4 that I might go ahead and
> install, with reasonable prospect of successful use? I could certainly
> wait till Monday for the actual release version, but have free time this
> weekend to burn.

It works fairly well, I've been running 7.4 for months. Just be ready to
back it out if you really, really need something that doesn't work today.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

epoch1970
2009-09-27, 04:56
Worked very well for me on ubuntu 8.10 (use the instable repository and "apt-get squeezeboxserver" instead of "squeezecenter").
I had to migrate all plugins and prefs manually, I don't know if the release version will do that automatically. Fact is, there are now 2 different directories on my machine, and I can fire 7.4 or 7.3.

I did not create a mysqueezebox.com account, I suppose the accounts will be migrated by Logi, and creating a duplicate may cause unnecessary trouble. I don't really care for "My Apps" anyway, so I'll wait on Monday.

The web interface seems a lot faster. You will not recognize your Controller if you have one.

ModelCitizen
2009-09-27, 10:18
I am not at all sure I like what it has done to my controllers. I find the new interface ungainly and the devices don't work in the same way they used too. I agree that the the web interface seems markedly quicker though.

I think 7.4 is aimed mostly at at the new touch screen devices and increasing code conformity across the product range.

I don't like some of the changes to the controllers. The clocks are ugly and the backgrounds dull, the action of the play and center buttons confusing and the small screen cluttered with icons. The "My Apps and "App Gallery" take up too much home menu (and seems like a daft idea anyway), and the alarm does not accept playlists that use the BBC iPlayer streams.

Personally I'd not upgrade to 7.4 unless you needed to, were buying a Squeeze Radio or like pain. I wouldn't have done if I'd known how it was going to affect my controllers.

MC

p-cubed
2009-09-27, 10:52
Thanks all for the helpful reviews.I'll stick with 7.3.3 for a while, as everything works well now, and we do use the Controller extensively. I'm hooked on iPeng also, and probably should wait for the next iteration of that before moving to 7.4?

ModelCitizen
2009-09-27, 11:04
Thanks all for the helpful reviews.I'll stick with 7.3.3 for a while, as everything works well now, and we do use the Controller extensively. I'm hooked on iPeng also, and probably should wait for the next iteration of that before moving to 7.4?
The next version of iPeng is very neat and (I believe) should be with you soon.

From what you say, not upgrading is definitely your best course of (in)action. If it ain't broke don't fix it.....

MC

bluegaspode
2009-09-27, 11:40
Personally I'd not upgrade to 7.4 unless you really needed to
MC
Did you already realize, that from tomorrow on, there won't be an easy way to stay at 7.3.3 ?

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Release_Notes#7.4_Release_Highlights

Right at the beginning 'Upgrade to 7.4 required'.
Also the texts under http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Running_7.3_with_MySqueezebox.com doesn't sound to promising if one wants to stay at 7.3.3

Mnyb
2009-09-27, 11:40
I do like the new interface, especially in use with squeezecenter.
I think the sbc is a little more stable and don't "bounce" that much under some menu's as it could do in the past, I like the context menu's for info.

I like the icons a drab list of text items is not soo nice in the long run.

I like the easy library switching.

I'm yet to be convinced that the seamless squeezeboxserver mysqueezebox.com switching is the right thing to do even if it is a popular change.

I'm with MC regarding apps they have it's place but 5/6 of whats considered apps is not applications and services as such they belong under internetradio where they have been all years prior to this release shoutcast is NOT an application period.

What is downright incomprehensible is for example the News ticker application ?how do you use it, what is suposed to hapen you press "play"!? on an article, then what ? it is not shown anywhere near you.
I want information browser back, it worked rigth on the controller.

Edit found it it' still there now i can read slashdot news again.

JJZolx
2009-09-27, 11:48
If you want to stay at 7.3 make sure you don't use SqueezeNetwork or you'll get stuck in another one of those obnoxious firmware upgrade battles.

ModelCitizen
2009-09-27, 13:32
Did you already realize, that from tomorrow on, there won't be an easy way to stay at 7.3.3 ?

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Release_Notes#7.4_Release_Highlights

The next week on these forums could be interesting.

MC

eap
2009-09-27, 13:55
I like the easy library switching.

I'm yet to be convinced that the seamless squeezeboxserver mysqueezebox.com switching is the right thing to do even if it is a popular change.



If you keep your computer on all the time (as I do) and have your squeezenetwork info applied in squeezecenter, will it work as it does now (no switching) -- just seamless operation between Internet and local music?

Or does it now force a switch, even if you have SC on and you are logged in via SC to SNetwork? If it does, that seems like it could be slower and not seamless.

JJZolx
2009-09-27, 14:08
If you keep your computer on all the time (as I do) and have your squeezenetwork info applied in squeezecenter, will it work as it does now (no switching) -- just seamless operation between Internet and local music?

Or does it now force a switch, even if you have SC on and you are logged in via SC to SNetwork? If it does, that seems like it could be slower and not seamless.

No, it doesn't switch automatically. I wouldn't exactly call the integration seamless, but it's not too obtrusive. If you're connected to SqueezeNetwork and you select My Music then you're prompted to switch to one of the available local servers. If you're connected to a local server and select a service that the local server can't provide then you're prompted to switch to SN.

It mostly works. I'm not sure all of the connection bugs have quite been ironed out, but we'll see.

pfarrell
2009-09-27, 15:03
JJZolx wrote:
> No, it doesn't switch automatically. I wouldn't exactly call the
> integration seamless, but it's not too obtrusive.

I agree, earlier in the beta, the Debian/Ubuntu install was a bit rough,
but its been clean lately.

Two rules:

1) make backups
2) if it aint broke, don't fix it.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

eap
2009-09-27, 15:03
No, it doesn't switch automatically. I wouldn't exactly call the integration seamless, but it's not too obtrusive. If you're connected to SqueezeNetwork and you select My Music then you're prompted to switch to one of the available local servers. If you're connected to a local server and select a service that the local server can't provide then you're prompted to switch to SN.

It mostly works. I'm not sure all of the connection bugs have quite been ironed out, but we'll see.

So now I'm NOT prompted, but with the new software I will HAVE to be prompted? How is that an improvement? Why do I need a prompt if I'm connected via squeezecenter to both sq center and sq network? Are you sure? Please tell me you are not sure about this.

Right now I switch from local computer music to Internet radio without prompting (it is virtually instant). I don't want some annoying prompt. -- can it be changed to NOT prompt. Its not needed if you keep your computer on. I thought it was only for those who turned off their computers?

Who was the brilliant developer at Logitech that thought this was needed? Just cause a few idiots turn off their computer and can't figure things out?

How is this a better thing? I am royally annoyed -- was this discussed during the development in the beta stage? Why can't it work the way it works now and ONLY prompt if you are not running sq center connected to sq network?

sebp
2009-09-27, 15:58
So now I'm NOT prompted, but with the new software I will HAVE to be prompted?
Take it easy, man.
What JJZolx was talking about is what happens when a SB is switched from SC to SN and vice versa.
Listening to Internet radios when connected to SC doesn't require to switch to SN.

JJZolx
2009-09-27, 16:34
It had been a while since I played around with an older SB3, but it looks like the switching between a local server and SN on those players hasn't changed. On the Home menu there's a 'mysqueezebox.com' selection for switching to SN and when connected to SN there's a menu selection to switch back to the local server.

Mark W
2009-09-27, 16:44
I've been using 7.4 for about a week and it seems to work very well. I had to sign back up for the services via the controller as the mysqueezebox page wasn't working properly, but other than that I haven't had major problems.

Also, in general, I like the changes to the controller operation and appearance quite a lot compared to the older versions. It's more intuitive to use and looks much more polished. I don't think it looks drab or ugly at all.

epoch1970
2009-09-27, 18:38
IMO, this release makes the Controller a mature product. Frankly I had stopped caring for this device a while ago.
Now it looks and feels -and actually is I think-, much more solid. I recently yanked the SBR out of the network, so this might help, but over the last day I've used it quite a lot, installing / restarting SB Server, applets, clicking all over.
Reconnect was reliable. Wake from deep sleep is reasonably fast. I think I've had 2 unexpected reboots, the controller sitting idle, battery under 50%. Recovery was fast and complete every time.
Still doesn't fly in terms of battery life, but since sleep/wake seems reliable, the improvement is clear.
IMO the screens are a lot prettier, and album covers look nice, at long last.
I believe this release will be a pleasant surprise for Duet owners.

I despise "My music" and "My apps". I know it's mine, thank you. Why not "My settings", "My recent searches"... ??

pfarrell
2009-09-27, 18:58
epoch1970 wrote:
> I despise "My music" and "My apps". I know it's mine, thank you. Why
> not "My settings", "My recent searches"... ??

As do I, and everyone else who saw all the MyFoo naming back in the
dot.com boom days.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

eap
2009-09-27, 19:01
IMO, this release makes the Controller a mature product. Frankly I had stopped caring for this device a while ago.
Now it looks and feels -and actually is I think-, much more solid. I recently yanked the SBR out of the network, so this might help, but over the last day I've used it quite a lot, installing / restarting SB Server, applets, clicking all over.
Reconnect was reliable. Wake from deep sleep is reasonably fast. I think I've had 2 unexpected reboots, the controller sitting idle, battery under 50%. Recovery was fast and complete every time.
Still doesn't fly in terms of battery life, but since sleep/wake seems reliable, the improvement is clear.
IMO the screens are a lot prettier, and album covers look nice, at long last.
I believe this release will be a pleasant surprise for Duet owners.

I despise "My music" and "My apps". I know it's mine, thank you. Why not "My settings", "My recent searches"... ??


Is the 7.4 beta out there now essentially the final -- or will there be changes made today/Monday? I'm home all day Monday and have time to install during the day. Or should I wait for the final to be released.

aubuti
2009-09-27, 19:24
Is the 7.4 beta out there now essentially the final -- or will there be changes made today/Monday? I'm home all day Monday and have time to install during the day. Or should I wait for the final to be released.
What is the "must have" feature for you in 7.4? If you don't have one, I wouldn't rush to be the first on your block to install it. I've been running 7.4 for months because it was required for hardware testing, but if you haven't used 7.4 yet and there's nothing in it that you need pronto, I'd advise waiting for the dust to settle. On more that one occasion I've seen perfectly fine pre-release versions get mangled by some last minute "fixes" to the installation routine or something. Give it a week or two if you can.

eap
2009-09-28, 05:00
What is the "must have" feature for you in 7.4? If you don't have one, I wouldn't rush to be the first on your block to install it. I've been running 7.4 for months because it was required for hardware testing, but if you haven't used 7.4 yet and there's nothing in it that you need pronto, I'd advise waiting for the dust to settle. On more that one occasion I've seen perfectly fine pre-release versions get mangled by some last minute "fixes" to the installation routine or something. Give it a week or two if you can.

"Upgrade to 7.4 Required
The magnitude of the improvements require previous 7.x users to upgrade to this release."

andyg
2009-09-28, 05:14
The wiki is unnecessarily scary, I've updated the text to read:



Upgrade to 7.4 Required (SqueezeNetwork users only)

The magnitude of the improvements require previous 7.x users to upgrade to this release. Find out more about upgrading to 7.4 by clicking here.

If you are running SqueezeCenter, you are of course not required to upgrade. Music Services will continue to work as before.

eap
2009-09-28, 05:20
The wiki is unnecessarily scary, I've updated the text to read:

Will there be more changes to 7.4 today - or is it essentially finished?

I'm home all day and will have time to mess with it today.

andyg
2009-09-28, 05:26
I really hope it's done at this point. :)

Note we've disabled the nightly builds so the last beta version you can get is 28660. Look for the official version later today.

maggior
2009-09-28, 05:36
The wiki is unnecessarily scary, I've updated the text to read:

I'm glad you changed that. It made me take pause, but then I thought it had to be a mistake - it didn't make any sense.

aubuti
2009-09-28, 06:06
"Upgrade to 7.4 Required
The magnitude of the improvements require previous 7.x users to upgrade to this release."
Sorry, I guess I should have been more explicit. What I meant to say was it's not a "must have" unless it really is absolutely a requirement in your specific case. Reading between the lines of the original wiki posting (the entire entry, not only your excerpt) it was apparent that the "requirement" is mostly an issue if you use both SC and SN. Andy's rewrite of the wiki has now made that clearer.

maggior
2009-09-28, 06:41
What is the "must have" feature for you in 7.4? If you don't have one, I wouldn't rush to be the first on your block to install it. I've been running 7.4 for months because it was required for hardware testing, but if you haven't used 7.4 yet and there's nothing in it that you need pronto, I'd advise waiting for the dust to settle. On more that one occasion I've seen perfectly fine pre-release versions get mangled by some last minute "fixes" to the installation routine or something. Give it a week or two if you can.

Very sound advice. I've learned to do this the hard way. It's always good to let the dust settle and wait for the x.x.1 release.

Aside from potential stability issues, I'm concerned about the major changes to the UI's, especially the controller. Everybody in the house is used to the way it is now, so unless there is a compelling reason to update, I'm going to stick with 7.3.3.

pablolie
2009-09-28, 08:24
Very sound advice. I've learned to do this the hard way. It's always good to let the dust settle and wait for the x.x.1 release.
...

While it's a good idea, there are also 2 other things to consider:

1. Sometimes you don't get much of a choice (example: SqueezeNetwork users will probably get instructed to upgrade their firmware right away, and mixed environment users will have to upgrade to 7.4 o avoid firmware limb between both mods)

2. I often tell myself "this time I am really sticking with the stable environment", only to get a bit bored and get curious... and upgrade to the latest and greatest "stable" version (I do not do beta versions though).

Ikabob
2009-09-28, 08:48
This is kind of like getting the flu shot.

pippin
2009-09-28, 08:54
The wiki is unnecessarily scary, I've updated the text to read:

Actually, I find this one confusing.
How are SqueezeNetwork users required to upgrade to 7.4? You don't need SBS at all, if you use SN, don't you? So what exactly is it 7.4 is required for?

andyg
2009-09-28, 09:52
7.4 also refers to the version of SBC firmware, and if you are on SN you have to update. Previously, we supported multiple older versions of SBC firmware on SN. Now, only one is supported.

dsdreamer
2009-09-28, 09:54
Actually, I find this one confusing.
How are SqueezeNetwork users required to upgrade to 7.4? You don't need SBS at all, if you use SN, don't you? So what exactly is it 7.4 is required for?

If you just use SN, you need the client f/w associated with 7.4 but not the SBS itself.

If you use both SN and SBS, you will need 7.4 to prevent the firmware repeatedly reflashing itself; such behavior is strictly forbidden in our house ;-)

pippin
2009-09-28, 10:35
Ah, OK, so it's only about the FW update.
Now _that_'s something I'm used to anyway, running both a 7.3 and a 7.4 server...

abelincoln
2009-09-28, 11:55
Ah, OK, so it's only about the FW update.
Now _that_'s something I'm used to anyway, running both a 7.3 and a 7.4 server...
your thing gonna work pippin?

pippin
2009-09-28, 13:22
your thing gonna work pippin?

yep.
1.1.2 is not perfect for 7.4, but it work (actually that came as a surprise to me, it did not work for most of 7.4's beta phase).
1.2, which is made for 7.4 is currently in Apple's approval process. I submitted it a week ago, let's see when it will show up

Wirrunna
2009-09-28, 17:15
yep.
1.1.2 is not perfect for 7.4, but it work (actually that came as a surprise to me, it did not work for most of 7.4's beta phase).
1.2, which is made for 7.4 is currently in Apple's approval process. I submitted it a week ago, let's see when it will show up

Pippin, does 1.2 need the new iPod Touch 3.1 operating system ?

pablolie
2009-09-28, 20:53
Wow, for one my SB3s are now stuck in Squeezenetwork limbo. The Booms and Duet can connect to it, nonce of the SB3s can. Little hickup there. Guess they need the new firmware, which of course isn't available until I update Squeezecenter...

All 3 of my SB3s sre stuck with a PIN info that I have no way enter into the new Squeezecenter, which does not see the SB3s...

pippin
2009-09-28, 22:58
Pippin, does 1.2 need the new iPod Touch 3.1 operating system ?

It requires FW 3.0