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chroma
2009-09-10, 19:30
After 5 years with squeezeboxes and squeezecenter/slimserver, I have four SB3s and a Transporter, a library of 125k tracks, and an unfortunate daily frustration with the lack of some functionality. I wanted to enumerate what I wish this platform did so that developers and logitech staff at least have an opportunity to vet it.

1) I wish the soft knob on the transporter would allow me to set it to default to volume control. I've used it without a preamp, and it is annoying to have to find and press the volume button.

2) Deduplication AT THE PRESENTATION LAYER of tracks. If two songs have the same metadata, dont show me both of them. If I select an album, and i happen to have two copies of it, don't add every track to the playlist twice. If two copies exist, only show the one encoded with a higher bitrate.

3) Fix the itunes plugin so that i can have it ONLY IMPORT PLAYLISTS, and refresh them often, and not my entire library. I use itunes to build playlists because playlist management on the slimserver interface is so poor. I also use itunes to build playlists because i like genius. I want my itunes playlists to show up in playlists, but not everything else. This seems like it should be so easy!

3) Real itunes integration so i can use genius playlist generation in real time from the SC interface. I don't care if its a scripted backend sending keystrokes to the application, only care about the results. genius is much beter with the size of collection and type of music i collect than is musicip, and musicip is effectively dead as an organization. yes, musicip is dead. nobody maintains the musicmagic plugin anymore. the developer at musicip who wrote everything hasnt worked there in a year.

4) A UPNP client that works. Sometimes I have music in other places than slimserver. Sometimes friends come over with music. It sure would be nice to allow them to access their music through the squeezebox.

5) I'm dreaming here, but an airtunes target. A plugin which allowed me to use the digital output from an airport express and re-encodes it on the server would be fine too... so when people ask "how can i play some music from my laptop" i can tell them to just find the "slimserver" airport express, select the transcoded input on any of the players, and hear what they are playing.

andyg
2009-09-10, 19:51
Hi, comments below.



1) I wish the soft knob on the transporter would allow me to set it to default to volume control. I've used it without a preamp, and it is annoying to have to find and press the volume button.


This should be possible with a plugin. But, if you enabled this mode, how would you navigate with the knob, or switch to navigation mode?



2) Deduplication AT THE PRESENTATION LAYER of tracks. If two songs have the same metadata, dont show me both of them. If I select an album, and i happen to have two copies of it, don't add every track to the playlist twice. If two copies exist, only show the one encoded with a higher bitrate.


Well, you can also argue that you should clean up your library. :) Detecting the "same metadata" is not as easy as you might think, and the work required for this would probably not benefit very many people. I think there are some apps that can scan your full library for duplicates and clean it up automatically.



3) Fix the itunes plugin so that i can have it ONLY IMPORT PLAYLISTS, and refresh them often, and not my entire library. I use itunes to build playlists because playlist management on the slimserver interface is so poor. I also use itunes to build playlists because i like genius. I want my itunes playlists to show up in playlists, but not everything else. This seems like it should be so easy!


File an enhancement for this, not a bad idea.



3) Real itunes integration so i can use genius playlist generation in real time from the SC interface. I don't care if its a scripted backend sending keystrokes to the application, only care about the results. genius is much beter with the size of collection and type of music i collect than is musicip, and musicip is effectively dead as an organization. yes, musicip is dead. nobody maintains the musicmagic plugin anymore. the developer at musicip who wrote everything hasnt worked there in a year.


Would be cool. I don't know if Genius is exposed via the various iTunes APIs or not. iTunes uses completely different APIs on Mac and Windows so anything like this basically has to be written twice.



4) A UPNP client that works. Sometimes I have music in other places than slimserver. Sometimes friends come over with music. It sure would be nice to allow them to access their music through the squeezebox.


Heh yes, one of my always-postponed items, I don't expect we'll have any time to improve UPnP until someone in Marketing decides it's a priority. Windows 7 has good UPnP integration so that's one good reason to do it. However, we are totally swamped with Radio and Touch development and just don't have any bandwidth for this. It's still on the radar though.



5) I'm dreaming here, but an airtunes target. A plugin which allowed me to use the digital output from an airport express and re-encodes it on the server would be fine too... so when people ask "how can i play some music from my laptop" i can tell them to just find the "slimserver" airport express, select the transcoded input on any of the players, and hear what they are playing.


I've never looked at Airtunes but I would guess this is impossible. Apple almost certainly has locked this down so third parties can't interface with Airports. Are there any open source projects that have figured out how to do this?

MrSinatra
2009-09-10, 20:00
3 was so good it was twice!

as to the last one, someone who makes plugins for winamp figured out how to send winamp to an airport express. don't think its open source but also if that guy could do it, seems like logitech could.

as to upnp, i think its long overdue in SC, but until then, i think "whitebear" or something like that works for some folks.

andyg
2009-09-10, 20:11
Yeah I do see that, so I guess it's possible. But that's not the sort of thing we'd develop in-house, it would be competition to our own players (and via a far inferior device). No reason it couldn't be a plugin though.

snarlydwarf
2009-09-10, 20:50
Yeah I do see that, so I guess it's possible. But that's not the sort of thing we'd develop in-house, it would be competition to our own players (and via a far inferior device). No reason it couldn't be a plugin though.

Maybe I misunderstood the OP, but it sounds like he wanted the opposite: something to take the digital out of the Airport and send it to a SqueezySomething.

WavInput plugin would do that, I think.

MrSinatra
2009-09-10, 20:59
huh, he's charging for it, but links the source code.

http://emilles.dyndns.org/software/out_apx.html

i also found this which is open source but needs .net 2.0 to work:

http://www.ovesens.net/default.asp?PageID=11

as to what the OP wanted, sounded pretty esoteric to me... he wants SC to be able to listen in to the digital output of the AEx that someone else is playing something on?

does he want to record it? just hear it? why does he need SC at all to do either? and how would the wiring work? would he split the wire digitally?

chroma
2009-09-10, 21:15
comented comments inline


Hi, comments below.



This should be possible with a plugin. But, if you enabled this mode, how would you navigate with the knob, or switch to navigation mode?



switch to nav could be done with a dial press, and return to volume control from nav on a timeout.




Well, you can also argue that you should clean up your library. :) Detecting the "same metadata" is not as easy as you might think, and the work required for this would probably not benefit very many people. I think there are some apps that can scan your full library for duplicates and clean it up automatically.


My library is a collection of other libraries. Its basic structure cannot change. I suppose I could settle for a suppress flag in the schema and writing my own tools to clean up what shows up, as long as suppress was honored throughout. (i want to continue to allow scans of my library for new or change content, cant change the structure of it or actually eliminate dupes in any fundamental way)



I've never looked at Airtunes but I would guess this is impossible. Apple almost certainly has locked this down so third parties can't interface with Airports. Are there any open source projects that have figured out how to do this?

Indications are that there are none. There have been a few, but they have disappeared. http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?AirTunes

In any case, barring this directly, the ability to provide a server-local audio-input device as an output stream would be better than nothing. Then i could just hook the airport express up next to the server and it would appear to function the same way without any licensing/crypto concerns. Such a function could be useful for other cases as well, such as playing audio from a weather radio or other device with an audio output near the server.

chroma
2009-09-10, 21:27
as to what the OP wanted, sounded pretty esoteric to me... he wants SC to be able to listen in to the digital output of the AEx that someone else is playing something on?

does he want to record it? just hear it? why does he need SC at all to do either? and how would the wiring work? would he split the wire digitally?

Its actually not esoteric at all. I have five squeezeboxes, each in a different room. A friend will often visit with a laptop (or my SO will have some audio on her own) and want to play some music for us, or for themselves while working in one of the rooms. Without having to extend a wire to their laptop from the stereo system, which in several cases doesn't involve a preamp other than the squeezebox at all, they would like to be able to play music from itunes.

This is fairly common in apple households. Visit a friend, "oh can i play something now?" "sure, take over the airtunes target MYSPEAKERS" "ok, here you go, listen." "ah, such nice music." No futzing with wires.

In the combined AEx/SC case, an item "Remote Airport Express" would be shown the same way "digital input" is shown on the transporter.

And, sure, wavinput would probably work except it doesn't work on macs. All our machines here are macs, including the SC.

MrSinatra
2009-09-10, 21:54
here's the part i'm not getting...

if these folks come over and want to play something, why not have it just play over the AEx to the stereo?

why have them route to it, then to SC, then to the stereo?

chroma
2009-09-10, 23:36
here's the part i'm not getting...

if these folks come over and want to play something, why not have it just play over the AEx to the stereo?

why have them route to it, then to SC, then to the stereo?

Theres one AEx. The Squeezeboxes are connected directly to amps, and to speakers. There is no preamp. There is no input selection in each room.

mherger
2009-09-11, 00:20
> collect than is musicip, and musicip is effectively dead as an
> organization. yes, musicip is dead. nobody maintains the musicmagic
> plugin anymore.

While I do agree that musicip as a company seems to have gone, the plugin
isn't dead at all. We've introduced a new improved scanning mode in 7.3,
fixed long-standing issues in 7.4.

What development would you like to see in the musicip plugin?

chroma
2009-09-11, 00:57
> collect than is musicip, and musicip is effectively dead as an
> organization. yes, musicip is dead. nobody maintains the musicmagic
> plugin anymore.

While I do agree that musicip as a company seems to have gone, the plugin
isn't dead at all. We've introduced a new improved scanning mode in 7.3,
fixed long-standing issues in 7.4.

What development would you like to see in the musicip plugin?

unfortunately, the last version of mip mixer for mac is unstable and doesnt deal well with large libraries. therefore, i am forced to run mip mixer in a windows VM, if at all. As of 7.3 (i havent braved 7.4 yet, but will soon) the following bugs/enhancements exist:

1 - bug, easy fix: in Common.pm:convertPath:
if ($os eq 'unix') {
should read
if ($os eq 'unix' || $os eq 'mac') {

2 - enhancement: MSHOST cannot be set in configuration dialog.. all the support exists in the code, but no way to configure it.

3 - enhancement: need more control over the path conversion. trusting the full path coming from the server and using convertPath assumes they have the same root.. somehow that works out here with one directory level repeating twice after conversion.

getting that all working without the hacks i have would be a nice start.

chroma
2009-09-11, 01:00
File an enhancement for this, not a bad idea.



13966 filed.

mherger
2009-09-11, 01:37
> 1 - bug, easy fix: in Common.pm:convertPath:
> if ($os eq 'unix') {
> should read
> if ($os eq 'unix' || $os eq 'mac') {

Another great example to show you the plugin still is under active
development: this part has been completely rewritten in 7.4. Please give
it a try.

> 2 - enhancement: MSHOST cannot be set in configuration dialog.. all the
> support exists in the code, but no way to configure it.

I know there's _some_ code. But it best should be removed as I'm not sure
whether it has ever been working correctly. But it surely has not been
tested in years. In fact if you're using this, then you're the first I've
ever heard of...

> 3 - enhancement: need more control over the path conversion. trusting
> the full path coming from the server and using convertPath assumes they
> have the same root.. somehow that works out here with one directory
> level repeating twice after conversion.

That's only an issue in the above case, isn't it?

BTW: did you ever try to run MIP on the mac in "headless" mode, eg. only
the server part, not the GUI? AFAIK it's the GUI which is prone to
crashing, but the server (all you need to integrate with SC) is running
fine.

MrSinatra
2009-09-11, 03:38
Theres one AEx. The Squeezeboxes are connected directly to amps, and to speakers. There is no preamp. There is no input selection in each room.

ok then this makes more sense to me now...

but honestly, how big a population do u think needs or wants this? you're the first i've heard of.

imo, devs time would be better spent making a plugin for itunes, winamp, etc... that powers the SB hardware directly from that app. most of the time, i'd rather use an app i like than use SC. it would be more elegant and certainly cheaper to the user then your rather complex way above that most people would pass on.

or, your friends could install SC. or they could install a shoutcast type solution, and SC could tune into it.

i suppose none of this works for those with ipods, but SC really in't supposed to. you could copy their music as well.

pippin
2009-09-11, 04:22
+1 on #1.
Should work like Boom.

b33k34
2009-09-11, 04:41
>
BTW: did you ever try to run MIP on the mac in "headless" mode, eg. only
the server part, not the GUI? AFAIK it's the GUI which is prone to
crashing, but the server (all you need to integrate with SC) is running
fine.

I didn't think there was a current, working, headless version for Mac? At least, i couldn't find one when i last looked.

There was a long thread about MusicIP vs Genius at the time. I think MusicIP gives more interesting mixes but Genius is "live" and simple for many more people. I'd like to see it better integrated into slimserver as well.

mherger
2009-09-11, 05:17
> I didn't think there was a current, working, headless version for Mac?
> At least, i couldn't find one when i last looked.

See http://www.musicip.com/mixer/server.jsp - there's also a file called
/Applications/MusicIP\ Mixer.app/Contents/Resources/MusicMagicHeadless
which might very well be the executable.

chroma
2009-09-11, 09:28
> I didn't think there was a current, working, headless version for Mac?
> At least, i couldn't find one when i last looked.

See http://www.musicip.com/mixer/server.jsp - there's also a file called
/Applications/MusicIP\ Mixer.app/Contents/Resources/MusicMagicHeadless
which might very well be the executable.

The control panel doesnt exist in the DMG as stated, and theres no way to control the named executable.. http on port 10002 results in an error. unfortunately this 'almost working' state of things is pretty typical for this whole suite of abandonware. therefore, i don't see musicip as a viable long term solution.

chroma
2009-09-11, 09:33
ok then this makes more sense to me now...

but honestly, how big a population do u think needs or wants this? you're the first i've heard of.

imo, devs time would be better spent making a plugin for itunes, winamp, etc... that powers the SB hardware directly from that app. most of the time, i'd rather use an app i like than use SC. it would be more elegant and certainly cheaper to the user then your rather complex way above that most people would pass on.

or, your friends could install SC. or they could install a shoutcast type solution, and SC could tune into it.

i suppose none of this works for those with ipods, but SC really in't supposed to. you could copy their music as well.

You are still missing the point, but thats okay. I don't want this whole multi-faceted thread to be taken over by your lack of understanding of what is actually an extremely common use-case. The guests don't need to install anything on their laptops. They don't use the SC for control. Its very simple really, all it would require is a mac version of wavinput. Lets leave it at that, which I think you can agree would be generally useful, even if you clearly have never lived in a community of mac users.

TiredLegs
2009-09-11, 12:26
1) I wish the soft knob on the transporter would allow me to set it to default to volume control. I've used it without a preamp, and it is annoying to have to find and press the volume button.
I raised this issue first time I heard about the Transporter, back when it was announced in July 2006. (See my post #58 in this old thread http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25773&page=6.) As I explained in that thread, I effectively wanted to use a Transporter as a digital preamp, and "I make minor volume adjustments far more often than I choose an album to play."

I would have preferred the Transporter to actually have a separate volume knob altogether, but if there was only going to be one knob, its default had to be as a volume control. I would have preordered a Transporter before it was even released if it had worked that way.

Back then people on the forum just assumed that someone would write a plugin to set the default to volume control, but over the course of many years and many products from many manufacturers, I've seen numerous seemingly simple features never get implemented, so I wasn't going to plunk down my two grand until it actually worked the way I wanted it to. More than three years later, a volume control default for the Transporter knob still doesn't exist as far as I know. I have since taken my system in a different direction, so I wouldn't be buying a Transporter today even if a volume default were to be implemented. Thus, Slim Devices lost the opportunity to sell me a Transporter because of a minor design choice that easily could have been rectified.

ghostrider
2009-09-11, 12:36
"Thus, Slim Devices lost the opportunity to sell me a Transporter because of a minor design choice that easily could have been rectified."

You're one of three people in the world that would rather walk over and turn a knob rather than pick up a remote to adjust the volume. I'm sure their bottom line will be just fine without your purchase. :D

TiredLegs
2009-09-11, 12:41
You're one of three people in the world that would rather walk over and turn a knob rather than pick up a remote to adjust the volume. I'm sure their bottom line will be just fine without your purchase. :D
In my set up where I would have used a Transporter, the equipment rack is right next to my chair. I don't have to get up at all, nor do I have a need for remote control.

ModelCitizen
2009-09-11, 13:17
In my set up where I would have used a Transporter, the equipment rack is right next to my chair. I don't have to get up at all, nor do I have a need for remote control.
As he says, one of three people.

What I find interesting is the progression of the volume knob through the family of products. IMHO the primary function of any big knob on an audio device should be volume... for an obvious reason.... it's the single most used function of an audio device that includes a pre-amp.

Transporter: Not default. Have to click another button to get it to do volume
Boom: Does volume by default once Now Playing Screen saver kicks in
Radio (Baby Boom): Has dedicated volume knob.

It took three devices for the company to get it right.

MC

sebp
2009-09-11, 13:46
> 2 - enhancement: MSHOST cannot be set in configuration dialog.. all the
> support exists in the code, but no way to configure it.

I know there's _some_ code. But it best should be removed as I'm not sure
whether it has ever been working correctly. But it surely has not been
tested in years. In fact if you're using this, then you're the first I've
ever heard of...
Got it working on my ReadyNAS with MusicIP running on my Mac some times ago :
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=413044&postcount=7

I think I first had problems with pathnames not being exactly the sames on both machines, but it was a non issue since it was easy to get the Mac mounting the ReadyNAS' media share over a /c/media directory and directing MusicIP to it.

I gave up because it slowed down my nightly full scan too much, but it was indeed working...

ghostrider
2009-09-11, 14:03
What I find interesting is the progression of the volume knob through the family of products. IMHO the primary function of any big knob on an audio device should be volume... for an obvious reason.... it's the single most used function of an audio device that includes a pre-amp.

MC

The Transporter is not a preamp, it is another digital source. If it was a preamp, I would agree. I just found it a bit disingenuous that the only reason he never purchased a Transporter was that he would have to push the volume button before adjusting the volume with the Transnav knob and as it turns out, from the comfort of his easy chair. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

ModelCitizen
2009-09-11, 14:24
The Transporter is not a preamp
Yes it is. I ran it directly into a power amp for a while before I replaced it for a unit with a sound I preferred. Via the balanced outputs too.

MC

pfarrell
2009-09-11, 14:28
ghostrider wrote:
> The Transporter is not a preamp, it is another digital source. If it
> was a preamp, I would agree.

Huh? What is a preamp? Traditionally, a preamp contains three functions:

1) a pre-amplifier for very low level signals such as phono input
2) switching between inputs
3) volume control (sometimes tone)

Since LPs died decades ago for most folks, the #1 function is not
provided by a large number of current preamps.

And a Transporter can do #2 and #3 quite nicely.

On my main stereo, I never switch inputs, I only use my Transporter as a
source.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

pippin
2009-09-11, 14:34
ghostrider wrote:
> The Transporter is not a preamp, it is another digital source. If it
> was a preamp, I would agree.

Huh? What is a preamp? Traditionally, a preamp contains three functions:

1) a pre-amplifier for very low level signals such as phono input
2) switching between inputs
3) volume control (sometimes tone)

Since LPs died decades ago for most folks, the #1 function is not
provided by a large number of current preamps.

And a Transporter can do #2 and #3 quite nicely.

On my main stereo, I never switch inputs, I only use my Transporter as a
source.


Since #2 will die over time as well (what's a "source" btw? Ah, you mean a server...)
Where we stick to #3 where the big dial doing volume right would really help.

But calling it a "pre-amp" probably doesn't make a lot of sense either since that implies that there's also an amp. "what's an amp? Ah, you mean a speaker..."

ModelCitizen
2009-09-11, 14:36
Huh? What is a preamp?
It's the device that increases the amplitude of an audio signal up to the level necessary to feed the input of a power amplifier.

MC

pfarrell
2009-09-11, 14:43
ModelCitizen wrote:
> It's the device that increases the amplitude of an audio signal up to
> the level necessary to feed the input of a power amplifier.

And with "line level" sources, there is no need to raise the level.
So the "amp" part of pre-amp is obsolete.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

ghostrider
2009-09-11, 15:25
ModelCitizen wrote:
> It's the device that increases the amplitude of an audio signal up to
> the level necessary to feed the input of a power amplifier.

And with "line level" sources, there is no need to raise the level.
So the "amp" part of pre-amp is obsolete.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

There are still those of us that occasionally utilize a turntable and require a "true" preamp functionality as well as tone controls. Also require analog inputs which the TP does not provide. You are in effect using the TP as a digital switch, maybe this is just an issue of nomenclature.

pfarrell
2009-09-11, 15:40
ghostrider wrote:
> There are still those of us that occasionally utilize a turntable and
> require a "true" preamp functionality as well as tone controls. Also
> require analog inputs which the TP does not provide. You are in effect
> using the TP as a digital switch, maybe this is just an issue of
> nomenclature.

Yes, there are audiophiles who still love vinyl. They, of course, need
all the cruft that vinyl needs.

The issue I have is your claim that the TP is not a pre-amp without
including a statement about phono-level inputs, RIAA eq curves, etc.
Yes, it does not replace a classic pre-amp is that is what you need. But
for a large number of folks, all they want is volume and mute, and thus
they do *not* need a preamp, the Transporter (or a Duet/Receiver/SB
Classic) is all they need.

I will admit that after the first month, I have not used the big knob on
my Transporter.

Tone controls, that is a subject best moved to the Audiophile section,
they are by no means mainstream this century.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

MrSinatra
2009-09-11, 15:44
You are still missing the point, but thats okay. I don't want this whole multi-faceted thread to be taken over by your lack of understanding of what is actually an extremely common use-case. The guests don't need to install anything on their laptops. They don't use the SC for control. Its very simple really, all it would require is a mac version of wavinput. Lets leave it at that, which I think you can agree would be generally useful, even if you clearly have never lived in a community of mac users.

haha, and who says appleboys aren't elitist? the way you phrase it it sounds like an infestation. ;)

look, i get your point, but its NOT common just b/c u want it. in years and years of forum reading, i have never seen anyone talk about SC accepting the digital output of an AEx via wav input on a mac or anything else.

maybe thats b/c if there were any, they simply installed windows and set it up to dual boot for when guests come over, since that wav input works.

but i think its b/c no one thinks this would be the best use of devs time, which they always like to remind us is limited. i just don't think this way of doing things has even OCCURRED to most people.

i do agree it would be nice for wav input to be cross platform, but the devs seem content to let it remain a (3rd party?) plugin. if you file a bug asking for mac support of wav input, i'd happily vote for it and support it.

i own a mac btw, i just don't use it for SC.

chroma
2009-09-11, 18:08
There are still those of us that occasionally utilize a turntable and require a "true" preamp functionality as well as tone controls. Also require analog inputs which the TP does not provide. You are in effect using the TP as a digital switch, maybe this is just an issue of nomenclature.

The thing is: The Transporter was sold specifically for use without a preamp. In fact, it includes attenuation jumpers on the motherboard so that it can be configured for the proper output level of an amplifier it connects directly to.

I quote the transporter manual, page 24, where this is encouraged:



Analog Output Attenuation (For Qualified Personnel Only)
Transporter has a set of internal attenuators that can be used to reduce the voltage level of the unbalanced analog outputs. If you are connecting Transporter directly to an amplifier that does not have an input gain control, you may need to change the attenuation level.
To change the attenuation level, you’ll need to remove the cover of your Transporter and move a pair of jumpers.
You’ll need a 1/16” hex key to remove the screws holding the cover on. To do this:
1. Unplug Transporter from the AC power.
2. Using a 1/16” hex key, remove four screws on each side of Transporter that hold the top in place. (You do not need to remove any of the screws on the bottom of Transporter.)
3. Slide the top off towards the back of the unit.
4. Near the unbalanced analog outputs, you’ll see a set of jumpers, like in the picture below:
As it comes from the factory, Transporter is set for 0 dB attenuation. To adjust the attenuation, gently pull the black jumper conductors at the 0 dB position and move them to the position corresponding to the attenuation level you’d like. Choices include -10dB, -20dB and -30dB.
5. Slide the top cover back on and replace the eight hex screws.


In this configuration, the only volume knob available is that on the transporter. Perhaps the person who designed and wrote this no longer works there, but please don't deny your roots. :)

TiredLegs
2009-09-12, 05:01
I just found it a bit disingenuous that the only reason he never purchased a Transporter was that he would have to push the volume button before adjusting the volume with the Transnav knob and as it turns out, from the comfort of his easy chair. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You can think whatever you want, but the volume control issue is exactly why I didn't pull the trigger on buying a Transporter right at the product's outset. Shortly thereafter, I purchased a (used) Dodson DAC instead, which cost me almost as much as a Transporter, then I configured my system with an integrated tube amp instead of a power amp. At that point, I no longer had a use for a Transporter even if its function had been changed.

ghostrider
2009-09-12, 08:10
The thing is: The Transporter was sold specifically for use without a preamp. In fact, it includes attenuation jumpers on the motherboard so that it can be configured for the proper output level of an amplifier it connects directly to.

I quote the transporter manual, page 24, where this is encouraged:



In this configuration, the only volume knob available is that on the transporter. Perhaps the person who designed and wrote this no longer works there, but please don't deny your roots. :)

I don't dispute that the Transporter can function without a preamp, I have one in my rack. My objection was to the charecterization that the TP is a preamp, which it is not.

EowynCarter
2009-09-12, 12:39
No rtsp support. The only way is using my pc :-(

A way to read rtp through squeezeNetwork (so without pc or nas on), would be GREATLY appreciated.

If I get a squeezebox, I'll have to stop listening to my favourite radio....
Too many none working radio... If the Squeezebox had this, it would just be perfect. Because of that, i'm hesitant to buy one.

vwidmann
2009-11-01, 10:40
Heh yes, one of my always-postponed items, I don't expect we'll have any time to improve UPnP until someone in Marketing decides it's a priority. Windows 7 has good UPnP integration so that's one good reason to do it. However, we are totally swamped with Radio and Touch development and just don't have any bandwidth for this. It's still on the radar though.


Hi all,

as a (in principle) proud new owner of a Squeezebox Radio I want to know if I can expect to use it also as a normal UPnP Client in near future. AS I don't want my Windows Home Server always to be powered up!!! Rather use as w/ current Freecom Internet Radio my AVM Fritz!Box router-integrated UPnP Server.

Otherwise I really consider returning it to Amazon as it doesn't fit w/ my expectations.

OR am I totally dumb & don't know hw to setup?

Thanks,
Volker