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Ken Veasey
2004-06-09, 11:35
The sorry tale is that I was running 5.1.5 with firmware 10 on two SBs
connected via powerline to a XP SP1 2.6Ghz 512MB of RAM server.

I had noticed that loading up the system was taking some time and
discovered that the server which was running as a service was causing
this so uninstalled and re-installed with slimserver not running as a
server. This was all ok apart from the server regularly crashing when
I powered off my two SBs using the power synchronisation.

Now rather foolishly I upgraded to the nightly from 9 June and now
have a more significant problem in that one of my SBs is loosing the
music, basically the buffer fills and then completely empties,
whereupon I loose the music. The device I loose the music on is
connected to a powerline device registering about 7mbps as against the
theoretical max of 14mbps (unfortunately its a long run from it to the
server).

I should add most of my music is flac so of course it eats a fair bit
of bandwidth once converted on the fly to WAV but up until now that
wasn't a problem.

I realise that by upgrading I have largely burnt my bridges but is
there a nightly that anyone knows of that won't give me this problem
or am I going to have to install LAME to convert the stream down to
MP3 (and if I do is there a quick guide on where to install it and how
to persuade the slimserver to pick it up).

Help, please.

Ken

Ken Veasey
2004-06-09, 12:22
Sorry in my desparation I forgot to add that MP3 is playing ok. I have
installed lame but I can't get a flac track to play, presumably
because I'm asking rather a lot for it to convert to wav and then onto
mp3!!

I'm now reduced to listening to my dwindling collection of mp3s as I
had been busy re-ripping and converting to flac.

Ken

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:35:53 +0100, you wrote:

>The sorry tale is that I was running 5.1.5 with firmware 10 on two SBs
>connected via powerline to a XP SP1 2.6Ghz 512MB of RAM server.
>
>I had noticed that loading up the system was taking some time and
>discovered that the server which was running as a service was causing
>this so uninstalled and re-installed with slimserver not running as a
>server. This was all ok apart from the server regularly crashing when
>I powered off my two SBs using the power synchronisation.
>
>Now rather foolishly I upgraded to the nightly from 9 June and now
>have a more significant problem in that one of my SBs is loosing the
>music, basically the buffer fills and then completely empties,
>whereupon I loose the music. The device I loose the music on is
>connected to a powerline device registering about 7mbps as against the
>theoretical max of 14mbps (unfortunately its a long run from it to the
>server).
>
>I should add most of my music is flac so of course it eats a fair bit
>of bandwidth once converted on the fly to WAV but up until now that
>wasn't a problem.
>
>I realise that by upgrading I have largely burnt my bridges but is
>there a nightly that anyone knows of that won't give me this problem
>or am I going to have to install LAME to convert the stream down to
>MP3 (and if I do is there a quick guide on where to install it and how
>to persuade the slimserver to pick it up).
>
>Help, please.
>
>Ken
>
>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-09, 14:31
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:

I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:

I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
I have tried.

By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!

Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
various issues with?

Ken

seanadams
2004-06-09, 15:59
Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?


On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
>
> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
>
> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
> I have tried.
>
> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
>
> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
> various issues with?
>
> Ken
>
>

vidurapparao
2004-06-09, 16:08
Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.

--Vidur

Sean Adams wrote:

>
>
> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
>>
>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
>> I have tried.
>>
>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
>>
>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
>> various issues with?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-09, 17:02
Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.

As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
a few more places.

So at least I have access to my music, phew!!

Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.


Ken


On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
>
>--Vidur
>
>Sean Adams wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
>>>
>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
>>> I have tried.
>>>
>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
>>>
>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
>>> various issues with?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 01:40
Further update:

1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
lame.exe.

2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
restart itself).

3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.

Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
from a listening point of view?

Ken



On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:

>Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
>ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
>
>As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
>a few more places.
>
>So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
>
>Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
>such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
>powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
>forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
>
>
>Ken
>
>
>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
>>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
>>
>>--Vidur
>>
>>Sean Adams wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
>>>>
>>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
>>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
>>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
>>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
>>>> I have tried.
>>>>
>>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
>>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
>>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
>>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
>>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
>>>> various issues with?
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>

kdf
2004-06-10, 02:41
Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:

> Further update:
>
> 1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
> although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
> lame.exe.
this would seem normal. Flac-to-mp3 would require flac.exe to uncompress to
wav, then lame.exe to compress wav to mp3.
>
> 2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
> but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
> to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
> hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
> buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
> restart itself).
what version of flac are you using? there is a binary included with the server
package so you could delete your own copy and try relying on the one included
with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its always
the latest version of the server.

> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for much
quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window. Try
to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"

-kdf

>
> Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
> from a listening point of view?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
> >ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
> >
> >As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
> >a few more places.
> >
> >So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
> >
> >Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
> >such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
> >powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
> >forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
> >
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
> >>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
> >>
> >>--Vidur
> >>
> >>Sean Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
> >>>>
> >>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
> >>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
> >>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
> >>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
> >>>> I have tried.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
> >>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
> >>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
> >>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
> >>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
> >>>> various issues with?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 03:20
Why is that when put on the spot things never behave as they did last
time?

Thanks Kevin, my responses are below.


Ken



On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:41:12 -0700, you wrote:

>Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:
>
>> Further update:
>>
>> 1. I am now streaming to both SBs with transcoding from flac to mp3,
>> although I note that the task list shows activity from flac.exe and
>> lame.exe.
>this would seem normal. Flac-to-mp3 would require flac.exe to uncompress to
>wav, then lame.exe to compress wav to mp3.
>>
>> 2. I am still experiencing regular freeze ups of the playing music,
>> but now its predominantly on the directly wired SB. It does not seem
>> to correspond with any high CPU usage and the buffer display gives no
>> hint that its going to happen i.e. there is no emptying out of the
>> buffer it just goes empty. (A freeze up just happened and didn't
>> restart itself).
>what version of flac are you using? there is a binary included with the server
>package so you could delete your own copy and try relying on the one included
>with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
>playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its always
>the latest version of the server.
Running with version 1.1.0. I seem to have multiple copies of flac &
metaflac scattered over my system. I'm not too sure which to take out.

>
>> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
>that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for much
>quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
>Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
>--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window. Try
>to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
>"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"

Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
starting it with the info written away to a log.


>
>-kdf
>
>>
>> Any thoughts much appreciated as things are not really that useful
>> from a listening point of view?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:14 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks guys. I don't have any AIFF tracks but a WAV file played back
>> >ok without any breaks and the buffer stayed full most of the time.
>> >
>> >As for the conversion to MP3 I cracked that by throwing lame.exe into
>> >a few more places.
>> >
>> >So at least I have access to my music, phew!!
>> >
>> >Its time for my bed now so I'll leave you to ponder why its making
>> >such a meal of the flac to wav conversion, but only the SB on
>> >powerline with a theoretical max throughput of 7mbps, but not
>> >forgetting this wasn't a problem at 5.1.5 and firmware 8.
>> >
>> >
>> >Ken
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:08:18 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Also, please check if the conversion that you're attempting FLAC->MP3 is
>> >>enabled in the Settings > Server Settings > File Types page in the web UI.
>> >>
>> >>--Vidur
>> >>
>> >>Sean Adams wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ken, can you try a WAV or AIFF track?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jun 9, 2004, at 2:31 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0100, you wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'll carry on rambling to myself. So here goes:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I went back to the 8 June nightly. Still can't cope with flac. Also
>> >>>> some issues when playing mp3s and thats on one of my SBs which I have
>> >>>> just taken off powerline and wired directly to my Switch. So it looks
>> >>>> as though bleeding edge is the right description for the two nightlys
>> >>>> I have tried.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> By the way I can get Live365 to woirk but where as it was staying
>> >>>> sync'd or up to two hours on 5.1.5 and firmware 8 its now out of sync
>> >>>> within two to three minutes. However when I saved the url to my
>> >>>> playlist I couldn't see it until I moved a copy into the folder
>> >>>> Shoutcast Browser Recently Played!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyone care to recommend a nightly I can go back to and not see my
>> >>>> various issues with?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ken
>> >>>>
>> >>>>

kdf
2004-06-10, 03:55
Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:

> Why is that when put on the spot things never behave as they did last
> time?

Blame Murphy :)

> >with the server. I'm not a heavy FLC user, but I haven't had any trouble
> >playing the FLAC files that I do have. I run my server from cvs, so its
> always
> >the latest version of the server.
> Running with version 1.1.0. I seem to have multiple copies of flac &
> metaflac scattered over my system. I'm not too sure which to take out.

Server settings->Additional Server SEttings->debugging. check d_source and the
click the link at the top for the log. You can then see, when you try to play a
song, the full command being used. This will show the full path to the flac.exe
that is being used.


> >
> >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
> >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for
> much
> >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
>
> >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
> >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window.
> Try
> >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
> >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
>
> Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
> message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
> starting it with the info written away to a log.

There is usually a bit of a pause, but it can go by very fast. to capture the log:
slim.exe --d_info --logfile mylog.txt

-kdf

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 05:55
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:55:23 -0700, kdf wrote:


>Server settings->Additional Server SEttings->debugging. check d_source and the
>click the link at the top for the log. You can then see, when you try to play a
>song, the full command being used. This will show the full path to the flac.exe
>that is being used.

The path used for flac is C:\Program
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe

Now I didn't place a copy of flac there, even though I peppered the
system with it!!
>
>
>> >
>> >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
>> >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for
>> much
>> >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on startup.
>>
>> >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
>> >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line window.
>> Try
>> >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following message:
>> >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
>>
>> Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
>> message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
>> starting it with the info written away to a log.
>
>There is usually a bit of a pause, but it can go by very fast. to capture the log:
>slim.exe --d_info --logfile mylog.txt
>

Starting the server with -d_info had written that stuff away to the
log I was looking at for the flac details and yes caching is on, it
definitely says "ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"


Its worth adding that one of my two SBs is even stuttering on plain
old MP3s and it is currently wired straight through to my switch
leaving powerline out of the equation.

Oh well, its a learning experience, even if it is a bit frustrating.

Ken

kdf
2004-06-10, 06:05
Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:

> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:55:23 -0700, kdf wrote:
>
>
> >Server settings->Additional Server SEttings->debugging. check d_source and
> the
> >click the link at the top for the log. You can then see, when you try to
> play a
> >song, the full command being used. This will show the full path to the
> flac.exe
> >that is being used.
>
> The path used for flac is C:\Program
> Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe
>
> Now I didn't place a copy of flac there, even though I peppered the
> system with it!!'
Dont' worry. that's the one that is included with slimserver. It will be the
best supported version. Now, you can rule out a flac version problem.

> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
> >> >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for
> >> much
> >> >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on
> startup.
> >>
> >> >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
> >> >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line
> window.
> >> Try
> >> >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following
> message:
> >> >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
> >>
> >> Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
> >> message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
> >> starting it with the info written away to a log.
> >
> >There is usually a bit of a pause, but it can go by very fast. to capture
> the log:
> >slim.exe --d_info --logfile mylog.txt
> >
>
> Starting the server with -d_info had written that stuff away to the
> log I was looking at for the flac details and yes caching is on, it
> definitely says "ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
>
>
> Its worth adding that one of my two SBs is even stuttering on plain
> old MP3s and it is currently wired straight through to my switch
> leaving powerline out of the equation.

ah, this gets more complicated. You may need to look into tracing network
issues if a plain old mp3 won't play. This also eliminates transcoding AND wav
playback bandwidth. Have you another switch you can try?

-kdf

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 06:48
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:05:22 -0700, kfd wrote:

>Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:55:23 -0700, kdf wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Server settings->Additional Server SEttings->debugging. check d_source and
>> the
>> >click the link at the top for the log. You can then see, when you try to
>> play a
>> >song, the full command being used. This will show the full path to the
>> flac.exe
>> >that is being used.
>>
>> The path used for flac is C:\Program
>> Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe
>>
>> Now I didn't place a copy of flac there, even though I peppered the
>> system with it!!'
>Dont' worry. that's the one that is included with slimserver. It will be the
>best supported version. Now, you can rule out a flac version problem.
>
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> 3. The lengthy loading up time of the slimserver continues.
>> >> >that isn't right. latest nightly should be caching the information for
>> >> much
>> >> >quicker load times that 5.1.5. Perhaps check the log for d_info on
>> startup.
>> >>
>> >> >Running from a command line: c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe
>> >> >--d_info should give you the debug output right in the command line
>> window.
>> >> Try
>> >> >to confirm that the DB is being used by looking for the following
>> message:
>> >> >"ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
>> >>
>> >> Of course it loaded up pretty much instantly and I couldn't see that
>> >> message but it probably disappreared of screen. So I'll have to try
>> >> starting it with the info written away to a log.
>> >
>> >There is usually a bit of a pause, but it can go by very fast. to capture
>> the log:
>> >slim.exe --d_info --logfile mylog.txt
>> >
>>
>> Starting the server with -d_info had written that stuff away to the
>> log I was looking at for the flac details and yes caching is on, it
>> definitely says "ID3 tag database support is ON, saving into: file"
>>
>>
>> Its worth adding that one of my two SBs is even stuttering on plain
>> old MP3s and it is currently wired straight through to my switch
>> leaving powerline out of the equation.
>
>ah, this gets more complicated. You may need to look into tracing network
>issues if a plain old mp3 won't play. This also eliminates transcoding AND wav
>playback bandwidth. Have you another switch you can try?
>
>-kdf
I have now connected directly to my router. However the problem
first reared its head as soon as I switched from 5.1.5 firmware 8 to
the nightly from 9 June using firmware 23 and at that point both SBs
were connected using a powerline set up and my first thought was that
the problem was on the connection which was running at 7mbps rather
than the other that was closer to the 14mbps max (well thats according
to the diagnostic tool provided by Corinex).

But having changed the bitrate limiting to 160kbps its much improved,
although it did just completely stall a few minutes ago requiring me
to stop and start the track (that was before I switched the connection
from the switch to the router).
I'll report back on progress in an hour or so, must attend to some
domestic chores, or I'll be in touble ;))

Ken

Adam Spiers
2004-06-10, 07:04
Ken Veasey (k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk) wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:05:22 -0700, kfd wrote:
> >Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:
> >> Its worth adding that one of my two SBs is even stuttering on plain
> >> old MP3s and it is currently wired straight through to my switch
> >> leaving powerline out of the equation.
> >
> >ah, this gets more complicated. You may need to look into tracing network
> >issues if a plain old mp3 won't play. This also eliminates transcoding AND wav
> >playback bandwidth. Have you another switch you can try?
>
> I have now connected directly to my router. However the problem
> first reared its head as soon as I switched from 5.1.5 firmware 8 to
> the nightly from 9 June using firmware 23 and at that point both SBs
> were connected using a powerline set up and my first thought was that
> the problem was on the connection which was running at 7mbps rather
> than the other that was closer to the 14mbps max (well thats according
> to the diagnostic tool provided by Corinex).

So we have yet more evidence which ties in with the theory that
firmware 23 has a badly broken TCP stack:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=323

Can you capture some traffic from the network and make it available
for us to look at?

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 07:53
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:04:58 +0100, Adam wrote:

>Ken Veasey (k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk) wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:05:22 -0700, kfd wrote:
>> >Quoting Ken Veasey <k.veasey (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk>:
>> >> Its worth adding that one of my two SBs is even stuttering on plain
>> >> old MP3s and it is currently wired straight through to my switch
>> >> leaving powerline out of the equation.
>> >
>> >ah, this gets more complicated. You may need to look into tracing network
>> >issues if a plain old mp3 won't play. This also eliminates transcoding AND wav
>> >playback bandwidth. Have you another switch you can try?
>>
>> I have now connected directly to my router. However the problem
>> first reared its head as soon as I switched from 5.1.5 firmware 8 to
>> the nightly from 9 June using firmware 23 and at that point both SBs
>> were connected using a powerline set up and my first thought was that
>> the problem was on the connection which was running at 7mbps rather
>> than the other that was closer to the 14mbps max (well thats according
>> to the diagnostic tool provided by Corinex).
>
>So we have yet more evidence which ties in with the theory that
>firmware 23 has a badly broken TCP stack:
>
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=323
>
>Can you capture some traffic from the network and make it available
>for us to look at?

Adam,

I'm no great technician so how best to capture some stats (we are
talking XP Home here)?

Ken

Ken Veasey
2004-06-10, 13:09
Latest update on my problems:

I have now connected the SB causing the bigger problems directly to
the router to which the Slimserver is connected. The other SB is
connected to the powerline connection offering a theoritical max of
7mbps.

I am transcoding from flac to 160kbps mp3. With bith synced I have had
them running for 4.5 hours. In that time I have heard only one drop
out when my router connected SB just stopped receiving any data. The
buffer emptied and the only way to get it restarted was to hit the
play button.

So a vast improvement, but up until 24 hours ago I was successfully
playing flac > wav with no problems, so some way to go yet.

As Adam said perhaps some network diagnostics would be helpful. If so
please let me know what and how to get them. Unfortunately I have to
go to work tomorrow (and saturday & Sunday).

Ken

seanadams
2004-06-11, 11:19
Ken,

I looked at Adam's trace (bug #323 updated with some
thoughts/suggestions) and it doesn't sound like the same thing that
you're seeing.

Please provide a bit of info:

- make/model of router
- make/model of PC and ethernet card
- list of other equipment on the network

Also a packet trace. To generate the packet trace you will need to
install Ethereal and Winpcap. Both available here: www.ethereal.com

To do the capture, go to "Capture -> Start -> OK". Then save the file
in "libpcap" format (the default) and either email directly to me or
post it on a web page if you can.

Start the capture while the squeezebox is connected to the server but
not playing anything. Then play something, wait for the problem to
happen, and then stop the capture.

Thanks,
Sean

On Jun 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:

> Latest update on my problems:
>
> I have now connected the SB causing the bigger problems directly to
> the router to which the Slimserver is connected. The other SB is
> connected to the powerline connection offering a theoritical max of
> 7mbps.
>
> I am transcoding from flac to 160kbps mp3. With bith synced I have had
> them running for 4.5 hours. In that time I have heard only one drop
> out when my router connected SB just stopped receiving any data. The
> buffer emptied and the only way to get it restarted was to hit the
> play button.
>
> So a vast improvement, but up until 24 hours ago I was successfully
> playing flac > wav with no problems, so some way to go yet.
>
> As Adam said perhaps some network diagnostics would be helpful. If so
> please let me know what and how to get them. Unfortunately I have to
> go to work tomorrow (and saturday & Sunday).
>
> Ken
>
>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-11, 14:39
Sean,


Thanks for that. Unfortunately I'm working this weekend so I'll get
this stuff together over the next day or so.

Ken

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:19:06 -0700, you wrote:

>
>Ken,
>
>I looked at Adam's trace (bug #323 updated with some
>thoughts/suggestions) and it doesn't sound like the same thing that
>you're seeing.
>
>Please provide a bit of info:
>
> - make/model of router
> - make/model of PC and ethernet card
> - list of other equipment on the network
>
>Also a packet trace. To generate the packet trace you will need to
>install Ethereal and Winpcap. Both available here: www.ethereal.com
>
>To do the capture, go to "Capture -> Start -> OK". Then save the file
>in "libpcap" format (the default) and either email directly to me or
>post it on a web page if you can.
>
>Start the capture while the squeezebox is connected to the server but
>not playing anything. Then play something, wait for the problem to
>happen, and then stop the capture.
>
>Thanks,
>Sean
>
>On Jun 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>
>> Latest update on my problems:
>>
>> I have now connected the SB causing the bigger problems directly to
>> the router to which the Slimserver is connected. The other SB is
>> connected to the powerline connection offering a theoritical max of
>> 7mbps.
>>
>> I am transcoding from flac to 160kbps mp3. With bith synced I have had
>> them running for 4.5 hours. In that time I have heard only one drop
>> out when my router connected SB just stopped receiving any data. The
>> buffer emptied and the only way to get it restarted was to hit the
>> play button.
>>
>> So a vast improvement, but up until 24 hours ago I was successfully
>> playing flac > wav with no problems, so some way to go yet.
>>
>> As Adam said perhaps some network diagnostics would be helpful. If so
>> please let me know what and how to get them. Unfortunately I have to
>> go to work tomorrow (and saturday & Sunday).
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>

Ken Veasey
2004-06-14, 04:18
Sean,

Before proceeding it appears that the problem has subtly changed with
me now able to stream flac to the directly connected SB. I have
problems sending flac to the other SB connected via powerline but if
transcoded to 320kbps mp3 it is ok.

I have just tried a wav file and the problem is similar to flac files
but with far fewer break up.
The packet trace (link below) was taken streaming flac files to the
powerline connected SB (192.168.123.157) with no bit rate limiting.

My router is a SMC7004BR.
My PC running the server software is a Dell Dimension 2400 P4 2.66ghz
512MB of RAM. The network connection on the PC is an integral part of
the motherboard (I think).

My PC is connected to my router (the router connects to my Cable
Modem). In the other three ports of the router are connected:

1. A Corinex powerline connector, another Corinex powerline connector
is in the living room to which one SB is attached, up until this
problem another Corinex adapter was in the kitchen attached to the
other SB but:

2. The second SB in the kitchen connects to another port on the router

3. An 8 port SMC switch connects to the final port, from this run
connections to a PC which is usually turned off (my learning curve in
linux); my daughters room, where when she is home her laptop is
connected, but currently she is away at university; and finally there
is a connection through to a netgear four port hub in the music room.
Off that four port hub sits another PC which is used by my wife. She
regularly attaches her work laptop to the hub.

When I had the initial problems the netgear hub was switched on but
that was all in relation to extraneous items not required to run the
SBs.

The packet trace is here
http://www.veasey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sb140604


Ken


>
>Ken,
>
>I looked at Adam's trace (bug #323 updated with some
>thoughts/suggestions) and it doesn't sound like the same thing that
>you're seeing.
>
>Please provide a bit of info:
>
> - make/model of router
> - make/model of PC and ethernet card
> - list of other equipment on the network
>
>Also a packet trace. To generate the packet trace you will need to
>install Ethereal and Winpcap. Both available here: www.ethereal.com
>
>To do the capture, go to "Capture -> Start -> OK". Then save the file
>in "libpcap" format (the default) and either email directly to me or
>post it on a web page if you can.
>
>Start the capture while the squeezebox is connected to the server but
>not playing anything. Then play something, wait for the problem to
>happen, and then stop the capture.
>
>Thanks,
>Sean
>
>On Jun 10, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Ken Veasey wrote:
>
>> Latest update on my problems:
>>
>> I have now connected the SB causing the bigger problems directly to
>> the router to which the Slimserver is connected. The other SB is
>> connected to the powerline connection offering a theoritical max of
>> 7mbps.
>>
>> I am transcoding from flac to 160kbps mp3. With bith synced I have had
>> them running for 4.5 hours. In that time I have heard only one drop
>> out when my router connected SB just stopped receiving any data. The
>> buffer emptied and the only way to get it restarted was to hit the
>> play button.
>>
>> So a vast improvement, but up until 24 hours ago I was successfully
>> playing flac > wav with no problems, so some way to go yet.
>>
>> As Adam said perhaps some network diagnostics would be helpful. If so
>> please let me know what and how to get them. Unfortunately I have to
>> go to work tomorrow (and saturday & Sunday).
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>