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simbo
2009-06-11, 03:35
I'm not sure if you guys have come across this OpenFrame device (http://www.openpeak.com/OpenFrame.php) in the past. They've just arrived in the UK branded as the O2 Joggler (http://yourfamily.o2.co.uk/o2familyjoggler).

Despite their "open" nomeclature, their appstore appears to be rather closed source. But imagine being able to control your SB through it, along with the other funcionality it provides (which, bizarrely enough, seems to omit a web browser).

Dingostrategy
2009-06-11, 06:26
I have such a device in my pocket right now. It's an iPod touch. A decent cradle and I'd be just as happy :)

Seems like a nice device though. No 'buy now' button so far!

elziko
2009-06-14, 01:37
I have such a device in my pocket right now. It's an iPod touch.

I very much doubt your Touch has the same screen size & resolution! Also this looks like something that would mount well on a wall.

Having said that I can't find any detailed tech specs - are they available somewhere? Otherwise if there for a well written app to control SC on this I'd be very interested. I was hoping that SlimDevices would come up with something like this... like a giant Controller/Picture Frame.

Dingostrategy
2009-06-14, 01:56
I very much doubt your Touch has the same screen size & resolution! Also this looks like something that would mount well on a wall.



I concur entirely. It's a nice device. Personally I favour a touchscreen PC for the same job/s. Bit more flexibility. I was very tempted by the eeeTop when I bought the EEEbox, but I'm constrained by mobility.

edit: with mozilla prism it is all the slicker! http://prism.mozilla.com/

jo-wie
2009-06-14, 02:30
edit: with mozilla prism it is all the slicker! http://prism.mozilla.com/

Good tip, really simple way to start SC in a family friendly and screen saving way on a my Netbook.

simbo
2009-06-14, 10:34
Having said that I can't find any detailed tech specs - are they available somewhere?
The closest I could find was in this review of the O2 Joggler by The Register (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/11/review_media_player_o2_joggler/).

Snippets from the above...
- CPU: 1.1Ghz Intel Atom
- Screen: 7in 800x480 LCD, 16m colour
- O/S: Linux
- Storage: 1GB internal
- Supported audio: MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, WAV
- Supported video: WMV, H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid/DivX (up to 1280x720)
- Supported images: JPEG
- I/O: Ethernet, 3.5mm audio out, USB
- Dimensions: 115 x 180 x 25mm

david_f1976
2010-04-01, 06:56
Just noticed that these have been reduced to <50 in the UK.

Also Ubuntu Netbook Edition is running on it - with caveats:
http://magician.gforums.de/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page

I have one on the way (was sorely tempted to get more than one at this price). If I find the time to get Ubuntu running on it, it would make a nice compact low-powered server and/or Now Playing screen.

autopilot
2010-04-01, 07:43
Be interesting if it was possible to get Squeezeplay running on it, if only as a remote/NP display.

TurnipMan
2010-04-01, 15:54
Looking at the info on the link there is no sound output yet with ubuntu.
Have you found a solution to this?
Tom

Paul Webster
2010-04-01, 22:10
The 50GBP price is for the next 2 weeks (I presume to stimulate interest in the update this week thta adds a few more apps).
Even without changing the firmware - if someone has a Flash app to control Squeezebox then it could soon be possible to get it onto the device officially via their new app shop. Needs discussion with O2 - but I can do that if someone has serious interest.

colincliff
2010-04-02, 05:27
i would be seriously interested in a flash app for the joggler!

i have just bought at the 50 deal, and was thinking of squeezeplay before i saw this thread.

edit - seems like you can get sound with ubuntu: http://magician.gforums.de/wiki/index.php5?title=UNE_Installation

flattermann
2010-04-02, 05:38
The device looks really interesting.

One should try to install Android on it - it may be a very nice touch tablet for Internet Browsing and more... :-)

http://www.android-x86.org

simbo
2010-04-02, 06:32
Just noticed that these have been reduced to <50 in the UK.
Quidco offers 10% off "all accessories" from O2. I wonder if this would be treated as an accessory...?

UPDATE: When adding to basket (I haven't taken the plunge yet!) it shows up as an accessory, which looks promising.

UPDATE: After buying through Quidco, the sale did *not* track. Obviously not enough of an accessory then.

dave77
2010-04-02, 07:16
can you browse the internet on these things?

simbo
2010-04-02, 07:56
can you browse the internet on these things?
Not with the default installation, by the looks of things. However people are hacking them to install Linux and stuff.

dave77
2010-04-02, 09:28
Not with the default installation, by the looks of things. However people are hacking them to install Linux and stuff.

Seems strange when it can access the internet already (youtube etc), I wonder if they're planning a browser add-on for the app store

dave77
2010-04-02, 09:35
I see the UI is Flash so not a chance it could ever be a web browser

simbo
2010-04-02, 10:17
I see the UI is Flash so not a chance it could ever be a web browser
Unless you get to the Linux shell behind...
http://hackthejoggler.blogspot.com/

dave77
2010-04-02, 11:09
Unless you get to the Linux shell behind...
http://hackthejoggler.blogspot.com/

Interesting, might get one then while it's cheap in hope that an easy hack turns up. I like the idea of looking up recipes in the kitchen like that blog said, that would sell it to the other half anyway :)

flattermann
2010-04-02, 11:56
Can anyone buy such a device for a good price (~50), or do you need to be an O2 customer?

I'll be in London in the next week, and I'm very interested in buying such a thing for testing purposes! :-)

colincliff
2010-04-02, 13:43
you don't have to be a O2 customer to buy, but I think some of the features like calender-to-text need an O2 phone to work. not a problem if you plan to hack.

flattermann
2010-04-02, 15:51
you don't have to be a O2 customer to buy, but I think some of the features like calender-to-text need an O2 phone to work. not a problem if you plan to hack.

Thanks, that shouldn't be a problem. :-)

So I'll just go into an O2 store in London and grab one?

Sounds good. It looks as this is an interesting Android platform.
I can say more about it when I'll get back from London (hopefully there are some devices left!) and have tried to install Android-x86 on it.

I'll keep you posted!

dave77
2010-04-03, 12:21
bit the bullet and ordered one, hopefully someone can come up with some decent hacks or apps for it now the SDK is out

colincliff
2010-04-03, 13:35
theres loads of info in amongst the useless posts on the HUKD thread here: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app-? A user already claims to have ubuntu with sound and touchscreen running using the info here -http://magician.gforums.de/ . hopefully this could run squeezeplay via ubuntu.

Also, someone from there has set up a hacking forum which seems to be a good place for pulling all the info out there together - http://www.macgarage.co.uk/Joggler.info/ It's only 1 day old so will grow i'm sure but there's some good stuff there already. An nice gap on there for flattermann to add his Android success when it happens!

just need some genius to come up with a flash app to control squeezeboxes

simbo
2010-04-04, 02:22
just need some genius to come up with a flash app to control squeezeboxes
Someone did write one a few years back (can't find the original post), but if I remember correctly it wasn't suited to touch screens.

All we need is SqueezePlay, in Flash. Or for somebody to find a way of running non-flash apps without needing to replace the OS.

aubuti
2010-04-04, 10:35
Someone did write one a few years back (can't find the original post), but if I remember correctly it wasn't suited to touch screens.
you're probably thinking of slimfx: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32422

simbo
2010-04-04, 10:49
you're probably thinking of slimfx: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32422
I was indeed... thanks!

Milhouse
2010-04-06, 08:13
Just been around the three O2 stores in the City of London and they're all sold out due to high demand (hardly surprising at this price, and after a bank holiday). New stock coming in Thursday.

This could be a great alternative to a Controller, and is so cheap and the screen so large and high quality it would make a great Now Playing display for a Receiver and be a general information display come photo frame when not playing audio.

colincliff
2010-04-06, 10:14
I've just got Ubuntu NBR running on this, touchscreen and wifi all working happily. The sound isnt working at the moment sadly. now looking for a squeezeplay installation for ubuntu. Are there any ready built?

will post back when there's any progress

dave77
2010-04-06, 10:18
I've just got Ubuntu NBR running on this, touchscreen and wifi all working happily. The sound isnt working at the moment sadly. now looking for a squeezeplay installation for ubuntu. Are there any ready built?

will post back when there's any progress

Have you seen the last bit on here http://magician.gforums.de/

"Sound is deactived by default. That's because of wrong settings in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsabase.conf file. Just remove the last line and sound will "work". With noise."


Just been around the three O2 stores in the City of London and they're all sold out due to high demand (hardly surprising at this price, and after a bank holiday). New stock coming in Thursday.

This could be a great alternative to a Controller, and is so cheap and the screen so large and high quality it would make a great Now Playing display for a Receiver and be a general information display come photo frame when not playing audio.

It's free next day delivery if you order online and they're in stock

colincliff
2010-04-06, 12:06
Have you seen the last bit on here http://magician.gforums.de/

"Sound is deactived by default. That's because of wrong settings in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsabase.conf file. Just remove the last line and sound will "work". With noise."



Yeah, saw that, was waiting for someone to get decent sound out of it! i might try it just to see how bad the noise is

dave77
2010-04-06, 12:36
Yeah, saw that, was waiting for someone to get decent sound out of it! i might try it just to see how bad the noise is

Does Ubuntu just boot from USB then and not affect the 02 install? Do you get an on screen keyboard? I'll give it a go when it turns up

flattermann
2010-04-06, 15:33
Just been around the three O2 stores in the City of London and they're all sold out due to high demand (hardly surprising at this price, and after a bank holiday). New stock coming in Thursday.

Damn!

I'll be in London till Monday, so I will probably not be able to get a device. :-(
(Or do you mean THIS thursday, i.e. tomorrow?)

Maybe somebody living in the UK would be so kind to get one or two for me?
(And either give it to me while I'm in London or send it to Germany?)

flattermann
2010-04-06, 15:35
Does Ubuntu just boot from USB then and not affect the 02 install?

As far as I know:
Yes! You can install Ubuntu NBR on the USB and keep the internal memory untouched.

colincliff
2010-04-07, 04:13
Does Ubuntu just boot from USB then and not affect the 02 install? Do you get an on screen keyboard? I'll give it a go when it turns up

sorry, yes the usb stick just bypasses the normal o2 linux boot and goes straight into ubuntu (or whatever you install). It seemed pretty easy to setup despite my minimal linux knowledge.

There is an onscreen keyboard option but its not great.

autopilot
2010-04-07, 06:07
I would have loved to have seen this an Android based device, i reckon O2 missed a trick there.

dave77
2010-04-07, 06:28
I would have loved to have seen this an Android based device, i reckon O2 missed a trick there.

http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/35595/T-Mobile-UK-takes-on-the-Joggler-with-Vega-Android-tablet

The Moog
2010-04-07, 06:32
Ah, yes, I was just about to post about the Vega!

I think I might wait for this as it might be a little more expensive, but T-Mobile are trying to compete with the Joggler so that should keep the price down. And native support for the Squeezebox Android app!


The Moog

flattermann
2010-04-07, 07:17
Ah, yes, I was just about to post about the Vega!

I think I might wait for this as it might be a little more expensive, but T-Mobile are trying to compete with the Joggler so that should keep the price down. And native support for the Squeezebox Android app!

Especially when "SqueezeCommander for Tablets" is ready. :-)
This beast has a 15" screen! That offers many new and great opportunities!
Ok, the resolution is a little low, only 1366x768, but it will make a great host for SqueezeCommander nonetheless...

simbo
2010-04-07, 07:36
Especially when "SqueezeCommander for Tablets" is ready. :-)
This beast has a 15" screen! That offers many new and great opportunities!
Ok, the resolution is a little low, only 1366x768, but it will make a great host for SqueezeCommander nonetheless...
I want to see the price before I get too excited... but in the meantime my 50 Joggler has arrived and I'm keen to see a Squeezebox controller running on it :-)

colincliff
2010-04-07, 10:45
if anyone could point me towards a squeezeplay build for Ubuntu NBR 9.10 i would be most appreciative. Its the final step in my plan for music domination...

flattermann
2010-04-07, 11:29
if anyone could point me towards a squeezeplay build for Ubuntu NBR 9.10 i would be most appreciative. Its the final step in my plan for music domination...

AFAIK, there's no special SP build for Ubuntu NBR, but you can download a Debian .deb package here:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6

colincliff
2010-04-07, 14:03
I gave it a go. Squeezeplay loaded up but there were graphics corruptions each time I tried to navigate. Text would not clear as I moved through the menus so soon the screen was full of text on top of text!

I think i'm at the end of my linux skills unfortunately. Might have to wait a while for others to make some progress sadly.

dave77
2010-04-09, 11:33
Maybe somebody living in the UK would be so kind to get one or two for me?
(And either give it to me while I'm in London or send it to Germany?)

Did you manage to get anyone to get you any?

http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=164
Somebody is working on getting Android on it now.

Surely that Vega is going to be competing with the iPad?

agillis
2010-04-09, 11:38
I very much doubt your Touch has the same screen size & resolution! Also this looks like something that would mount well on a wall.

Having said that I can't find any detailed tech specs - are they available somewhere? Otherwise if there for a well written app to control SC on this I'd be very interested. I was hoping that SlimDevices would come up with something like this... like a giant Controller/Picture Frame.

An iPad does though and the apps already work on it. Of course it's $499.

flattermann
2010-04-11, 14:42
Did you manage to get anyone to get you any?

http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=164
Somebody is working on getting Android on it now.
I've visited and called many O2 shops in London in the last days and the Joggler was sold-out in all of them. :-(

I almost gave up, but today I've visited the O2 shop in Kensington High Street and they had some in stock! I bought 2 of them and will try Ubuntu/Android as soon as I'm back in Germany.

dave77
2010-04-15, 07:05
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/moonse-e-7001-7-inch-google-android-tablet-15-04-2010/

Just found this, looks like a big iPhone with Android

colincliff
2010-04-17, 03:54
this post looks good for an easy ubuntu installation http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=235&start=200#p2698

flattermann
2010-04-18, 09:19
Also see http://jogglerwiki.info for useful information.

dave77
2010-04-19, 01:51
this post looks good for an easy ubuntu installation http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=235&start=200#p2698

Got that on yesterday, looking good apart from crackling sound and a rubbish hand-writing program, need to find an on-screen keyboard!

Controlling SBS through the browser on it should be good enough! You can get Google Chrome with a touchscreen addon.

simbo
2010-04-19, 02:18
Got that on yesterday, looking good apart from crackling sound and a rubbish hand-writing program, need to find an on-screen keyboard!

Controlling SBS through the browser on it should be good enough! You can get Google Chrome with a touchscreen addon.
I tried out the Mer build a few days ago... had an acceptable on-screen keyboard (still the crackling sound tho).

colincliff
2010-04-19, 05:47
crackling audio is fixed by editing a grub entry - http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=235&start=0 towards the end of the thread are instructions.

There are a couple of other fixes in there also. make sure you use the 1.1 version of the image as a base.

i've got everthing running happily, i just cant seem to get squeezeplay sorted.

dave77
2010-04-19, 07:40
yeah got it http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=235&start=350#p2944

flattermann
2010-04-21, 08:05
Android and SqueezeCommander are working on the Joggler: :-)
http://www.flattermann.net/2010/04/android-on-o2-joggler

dave77
2010-04-21, 08:14
well done :) I'll give it a go when/if wifi and sound are sorted

flattermann
2010-04-21, 08:23
well done :) I'll give it a go when/if wifi and sound are sorted

Wifi/Sound will probably work in the future.

My main concern is the slow GUI right now.

The Joggler has an Intel GMA500/Poulsbo graphics unit and Intel does not really offer good linux drivers for it, yet. :-(

There is a driver, but that only works with X11. But Android does not use X11, it directly accesses the framebuffer device...

And the Intel driver is not framebuffer capable...

That means we need to use the slow VESA framebuffer driver at the moment... ;-(

robinbowes
2010-04-21, 16:57
I'm also looking forward to wifi, sound, and a solution to the graphics issue. Will be a nice tablet when those things are sorted.

R.

colincliff
2010-04-23, 10:46
I'm running this Ubuntu image at the moment - http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=356&start=0

Squeezeplay works under wine very well for controlling all the players in the house. I'm not able to get the sound out of the joggler at the moment with Squeezeplay for local play sadly. Am running the pulseaudio version of wine which I thought would get it working.

Just need to find a squeezeplay skin that's optimised for 800x480 screens.....

dave77
2010-04-25, 03:57
I'm running this Ubuntu image at the moment - http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=356&start=0



That's the version i'm running too, how did you install SqueezePlay?

colincliff
2010-04-25, 23:21
i just installed wine and installed the windows version. I couldn't get a Linux native version to build. The joggler can easily run wine so you don't notice any performance issues. Also means you can run Spotify as well if you use it?

ScaredyCat
2010-04-26, 14:47
There's really no need to go about installing ubuntu to use the Joggler as a Squeezecenter, Squeezeplay will run on it.

See attached pic or http://twitpic.com/1ipv62

There are a few minor issues but these can be addressed in code, namely - there are no hard buttons. Touchscreen obviously works fine.

This is without having to install ubuntu - remember that linux on the joggler is essentially ubuntu 8.04.

I had to tweak the skin to get the screen size to be correct, but that's another minor thing. To be honest I've only worked on this for an hour and most of the time taken was me learning a bit about lua


ScaredyCat

dave77
2010-04-27, 01:15
That could be a picture of SqueezePlay on anything for all we know :) Instructions???

flattermann
2010-04-27, 02:09
FYI: The new Android image supports ethernet, touchscreen, sound, wifi, shutdown/reboot by touch...

The only key problem left is the slow GUI. I would appreciate anyone helping to solve this GUI issue. (Join #mer on irc.freenode.net!)

If you want to try it, we've created a prebuilt image that you can put on an USB stick:

http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Android_Prebuild_Image

(The orginal Joggler system will not be changed, Android boots completely from the USB stick!)

dave77
2010-04-27, 03:33
I'll give Android a try now, nice work :) Is there anyway for us Windows people to create the USB, with Ubuntu we can just download an image and burn it to USB

How about this! http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=414

flattermann
2010-04-27, 04:44
Well, I've not uploaded a complete image, because it takes way longer to download/put it on the USB key, because large parts of the image will be "empty".

I think the easiest way is to download an Ubuntu CD, boot your PC from this CD in a Live-Ubuntu (that does not change anything on your harddisk).

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

After booting do this:

* Insert the USB key
(* One or more windows will pop up (the current USB key contents))
* Open System / Admin / Partition Editor
* Select your USB key (/dev/sdX) in the upper-right corner
WARNING: Be careful to choose the correct device! Otherwise you may accidently erase your harddisk!
* On all partitions on the stick (/dev/sdXn), right-click and select "Unmount"
* Now, clear the stick: Device / Create Partition Table
* Now, create the 3 partitions as mentioned here: http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Android_Prebuild_Image

But I'll prepare an empty image with the 3 partitions for your convenience. :-)
When this is ready, you can put this image to the USB key and add the contents of the torrent file to the first partition.

simbo
2010-04-27, 04:45
There's really no need to go about installing ubuntu to use the Joggler as a Squeezecenter, Squeezeplay will run on it.
Do you have any instructions? This sounds really promising... although I'd still like to have Android running on it! :-)

flattermann
2010-04-27, 05:44
I'll give Android a try now, nice work :) Is there anyway for us Windows people to create the USB, with Ubuntu we can just download an image and burn it to USB

I've created an "empty image" for the Android build.
You can unpack it and dump it on the USB stick just like the Ubuntu image and you will have the 3 (empty) partitions.

The file is only ~7kb small, but it will expand to 4gb.

http://www.flattermann.net/files/joggler/android-joggler-empty-partitions-4gb.img.tar.bz2

After that, copy the contents of the torrent download to the first partition.

http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Android_Prebuild_Image

colincliff
2010-04-27, 09:58
Excellent work Christian! will try the image now. Does squeezecommander work with the joggler resolution/orientation?



There's really no need to go about installing ubuntu to use the Joggler as a Squeezecenter, Squeezeplay will run on it.

ScaredyCat


This would be great if its true. Any more info on how this works??

flattermann
2010-04-27, 10:19
Excellent work Christian! will try the image now. Does squeezecommander work with the joggler resolution/orientation?

It's not really optimized for this resolution/screen size, but it works pretty well.
(Of course, a special tablet version would look much better...)


This would be great if its true. Any more info on how this works??

I've not tried SqueezePlay/SBS on the original OS, but it should work, because the original OS is Ubuntu 8.04 (with a proprietary GUI called "tango").

ScaredyCat
2010-04-27, 11:59
That could be a picture of SqueezePlay on anything for all we know :) Instructions???

Compile Squeezeplay - I used my ubuntu box. Copy the generated tarball to the Joggler ( I use /media as there's more space on there)

You'll need to export the libs from the tarball (include the tango ones too)



export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/media/squeezeplay/squeezeplay-runnable/lib:/lib/intel:/openpeak/tango/common_libs
export KMP_DUPLICATE_LIB_OK=TRUE
export DISPLAY=:0.0
export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa




I guess the only way to show you it's the joggler is to take a crappy picture.. (see attached) - I did need to modify the skin to fit properly and I did remove step 2 from the setup. That was just a screen that said push right button to continue.


Tarball here! (http://www.automated.it/files/squeezeplay-scaredycat.tar.gz)

copy to /media and untar it. Use



/media/squeezeplay-runnable/start_squeezeplay



to run it...


ScaredyCat

flattermann
2010-04-27, 12:19
Compile Squeezeplay - I used my ubuntu box. Copy the generated tarball to the Joggler ( I use /media as there's more space on there)

You'll need to export the libs from the tarball (include the tango ones too)
...


Great work!

Maybe you could create a short step-by-step guide in the wiki?
http://jogglerwiki.info

I think many people would appreciate it!

ScaredyCat
2010-04-27, 12:37
Great work!

Maybe you could create a short step-by-step guide in the wiki?
http://jogglerwiki.info

I think many people would appreciate it!

I've modded my last post to include a tarball to get people going. Can do instructions for compilation too (probably at the weekend)...

btw Squeezebox Commander is the best sb controller app for android! I love it :D :D

simbo
2010-04-27, 13:08
The only key problem left is the slow GUI. I would appreciate anyone helping to solve this GUI issue. (Join #mer on irc.freenode.net!)
You're right, the GUI is very slow! Excellent work so far though. Is Android the only OS that uses framebuffer drivers? I'm just wondering why this hasn't been looked at before.

btw, can we try out SqueezeCommander on this build?

colincliff
2010-04-27, 13:22
I've modded my last post to include a tarball to get people going. Can do instructions for compilation too (probably at the weekend)...

thanks muchly for the tarball :-) I'll have a stab at getting it going on my joggler. If I can manage then i think anyone will be able to.

Android does look very nice on the joggler. Pity about the gui speed at the moment but definitely one to watch!

ScaredyCat
2010-04-27, 13:32
thanks muchly for the tarball :-) I'll have a stab at getting it going on my joggler. If I can manage then i think anyone will be able to.

I, perhaps incorrectly, presumed that everyone had sshd/scp running on their joggler. If so it should take < 1 minute to get up and running - you don't even need to stop the standard interface first.

If you need any pointers just shout..


now... shall I give android a try :D


ScaredyCat

simbo
2010-04-27, 13:45
copy to /media and untar it. Use



/media/squeezeplay-runnable/start_squeezeplay



to run it...

ScaredyCat
Just wondering, is it even possible to integrate this with the standard Flash UI on the Joggler?

ScaredyCat
2010-04-27, 14:04
Just wondering, is it even possible to integrate this with the standard Flash UI on the Joggler?

I'm not sure if you can execute scripts from flash. If you can then it should be relatively easy to get the screen positioning correct (to show home button). However, my thinking on this is not to integrate with the flash interface but simply replace the flash with something that can call any application/script. For me that would mean much more flexibility. I don;t know much about flash but I've played with HaXe and aswing on the Joggler with some success. The only thing is I'm not sure I want to learn flash.


If I'm truly honest, if Android ran fast enough on the Joggler then I'd be there running it. Until then I'm looking for something that's flexible enough. If that means putting together some sort of front end then so be it :D

florca
2010-04-27, 14:13
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this support local playback on the Joggler, or does it work only as a controller for other Squeeze devices?

Any reason this tarball wouldn't work on the "disca" (slimmed down full Ubuntu) or "dysentry" (Ubuntu Netbook Remix) builds over at www.joggler.info ??

NB - good to see another Rio Receiver owner here! Mine's been in a box in the garage for years, but I keep meaning to pull it out and try slimrio on it. EMPEG were years ahead of their time....

Brgds
Phil

simbo
2010-04-27, 14:14
If I'm truly honest, if Android ran fast enough on the Joggler then I'd be there running it.
I concur... I'd like to run Android (with full-speed graphics!) with SqueezeCommander, and SqueezeSlave in the background to turn it into a player too.

ScaredyCat
2010-04-27, 14:25
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this support local playback on the Joggler, or does it work only as a controller for other Squeeze devices?

It also works for playback - You need to select Settings -> Advanced -> Audio Playback -> Enable Playback


Any reason this tarball wouldn't work on the "disca" (slimmed down full Ubuntu) or "dysentry" (Ubuntu Netbook Remix) builds over at www.joggler.info ??


In theory it should have all the libraries that it needs. YMMV though. No harm in trying :D




NB - good to see another Rio Receiver owner here! Mine's been in a box in the garage for years, but I keep meaning to pull it out and try slimrio on it. EMPEG were years ahead of their time....


I love them. Ok they aren't massively powerful but they can cope with my mp3's. I took one of them and put it in a rack case with a built in IR emitter - the idea was to put them all in a rack and control them discretely - never got round to that :( . I still have all 5 of mine out and in service. The display for slimrio is pretty useless but with somehting like the SB Controller or the Joggler in control that doesn't matter. Sync with them is terrible and they hate homeplugs (because the networking chip in the rio is buggy and doesn't negotiate properly).


ScaredyCat

florca
2010-04-27, 14:43
because the networking chip in the rio is buggy and doesn't negotiate properly
ScaredyCat

That was the thing that consigned mine to the garage - I had it running through a daisy-chained 10Mb hub for a while but the number of boxes and plugs just got out of hand - now I have a switch with configurable ports I could give it another go.

Will try the Joggler Squeezeplay Tarball - thanks!

Brgds
Phil

sifer69
2010-04-28, 08:07
Hi Scaredycat - tried running your squeezeplay-runnable on an ubuntu laptop and it runs fine but it's showing "SqueezePlay version 7.3 r8740" which is quite old. Have you tried a newer version?

I've run a pre-compiled version on the Joggler but I need to play around with layout, image & font sizes, etc. I may have a look at your fullscreen lua and see if it's better suited...

(Details over at joggler info forum).

It would be great to get the latest version of squeezeplay running on the native Joggler OS.

ScaredyCat
2010-04-28, 10:16
Hi Scaredycat - tried running your squeezeplay-runnable on an ubuntu laptop and it runs fine but it's showing "SqueezePlay version 7.3 r8740" which is quite old. Have you tried a newer version?

I've run a pre-compiled version on the Joggler but I need to play around with layout, image & font sizes, etc. I may have a look at your fullscreen lua and see if it's better suited...

(Details over at joggler info forum).

It would be great to get the latest version of squeezeplay running on the native Joggler OS.

Oh, I thought it was the latest, I checked out from svn - currently at revision 8744.

Is there another source for the source ??

ScaredyCat


Any reason I'm being moderated?

colincliff
2010-04-28, 11:21
8744 seems indeed to be the latest (http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/), should be 7.6. You can also get nightly tarballs from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6

flattermann
2010-04-28, 11:27
You're right, the GUI is very slow! Excellent work so far though. Is Android the only OS that uses framebuffer drivers? I'm just wondering why this hasn't been looked at before.

Yes, all other Linux versions use an X server and there is a closed source driver with 3D acceleration.

The Intel PSB drivers from the Gentoo repo offer framebuffer support and may be worth a try, but I was not able to use them yet:

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/x11-drivers/psb-kmod/psb-kmod-4.41.1_p10-r1.ebuild?view=markup
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/x11-drivers/psb-firmware/psb-firmware-0.30_p3.ebuild?view=markup

They compile fine, but seem to crash when trying to "modprobe psb"... :-/
I'll try again as soon as I'm back from my holidays in Italy. :-)


btw, can we try out SqueezeCommander on this build?

You cannot buy it because it has no Android Market, but you can contact me and I give you access to the beta versions: :-)

android AT flattermann DOT net

ScaredyCat
2010-04-28, 11:40
8744 seems indeed to be the latest (http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/), should be 7.6. You can also get nightly tarballs from http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6

Just testing a nightly build while checking out every thing again from svn..


ScaredyCat

ScaredyCat
2010-04-28, 11:42
8744 seems indeed to be the latest (http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/), should be 7.6. You can also get nightly tarballs from


Just trying a nightly build while checking out everything from svn again.

Also seems that I'm being moderated for some reason :(


ScaredyCat

colincliff
2010-04-28, 14:15
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export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/media/squeezeplay/squeezeplay-runnable/lib:/lib/intel:/openpeak/tango/common_libs
export KMP_DUPLICATE_LIB_OK=TRUE
export DISPLAY=:0.0
export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa





Hi, I'm struggling to get this running on the joggler :-)

i've unpacked the archive into a folder in /media as suggested

do i need to run the above commands in telnet? I have tried this but when I run squeezeplay with /media/squeezeplay-runnable/start_squeezeplay i get '
# bin/jive: error while loading shared libraries: /media/squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libFLAC.so.8: file too short' error

any ideas?

ScaredyCat
2010-04-28, 14:26
Hi, I'm struggling to get this running on the joggler :-)

i've unpacked the archive into a folder in /media as suggested

do i need to run the above commands in telnet? I have tried this but when I run squeezeplay with /media/squeezeplay-runnable/start_squeezeplay i get '
# bin/jive: error while loading shared libraries: /media/squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libFLAC.so.8: file too short' error

any ideas?


Once you've unpacked it into /media you should just use



/media/squeezeplay-runnable/start_squeezeplay


You don't need to run any of previous commands - they were for illustration only.

Can you check the md5sum of the tarball you downloaded just incase



# md5sum squeezeplay-scaredycat.tar.gz
cb73f75593fcef696b80de3fe6aa972d squeezeplay-scaredycat.tar.gz



ScaredyCat

colincliff
2010-04-29, 00:26
hi Scardeycat,

I've checked the md5sum and everything matches, however i'm getting the same 'libFLAC.so.8: file too short' error. The file it is referring to is 0kb, should it be empty?

ScaredyCat
2010-04-29, 01:36
hi Scardeycat,

I've checked the md5sum and everything matches, however i'm getting the same 'libFLAC.so.8: file too short' error. The file it is referring to is 0kb, should it be empty?

Mmm... that's a bit odd it's a symlink. Here are the symlinks I have in the lib dir:



lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2010-04-29 09:32 libFLAC.so -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2010-04-29 09:32 libFLAC.so.8 -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2010-04-29 09:32 libmad.so -> libmad.so.0.2.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2010-04-29 09:32 libmad.so.0 -> libmad.so.0.2.1

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-04-29 09:32 libportaudio.so -> libportaudio.so.2.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-04-29 09:32 libportaudio.so.2 -> libportaudio.so.2.0.0

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2010-04-29 09:32 libvorbisidec.so -> libvorbisidec.so.1.0.2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2010-04-29 09:32 libvorbisidec.so.1 -> libvorbisidec.so.1.0.2


can you check those on your joggler.

It's very very odd since I've just downloaded the tarball and extracted it here and it's fine.


ScaredyCat

colincliff
2010-04-29, 03:58
I know other people have used without a problem. I'll check the symlinks when I get home. What command did you run to get the list of symlinks?

3guk
2010-04-29, 04:28
I'd be real interested to know what you changed to get it to run fullscreen, have currently built a newer version, and am trying to get it to run fullscreen.

Any chance you could give me some pointers as to the files you modded ?

James

flattermann
2010-04-29, 05:31
I know other people have used without a problem. I'll check the symlinks when I get home. What command did you run to get the list of symlinks?

Too see the symlinks in the archive:

$ tar tvzf squeezeplay-scaredycat.tar.gz |grep "^l"



lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libportaudio.so.2 -> libportaudio.so.2.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libFLAC.so.8 -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libmad.so -> libmad.so.0.2.1
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libvorbisidec.so -> libvorbisidec.so.1.0.2
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1 -> libvorbisidec.so.1.0.2
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libportaudio.so -> libportaudio.so.2.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/lua/5.1/lfs.so -> lfs.so.1.2
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/lua/5.1/lxp.so -> lxp.so.1.0.2
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libmad.so.0 -> libmad.so.0.2.1
lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2010-04-27 00:47 squeezeplay-runnable/lib/libFLAC.so -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0


To see the symlinks in a directory

$ find /path -type l -ls

ScaredyCat
2010-04-29, 10:08
I'd be real interested to know what you changed to get it to run fullscreen, have currently built a newer version, and am trying to get it to run fullscreen.

Any chance you could give me some pointers as to the files you modded ?

James

I modified the FullScreenApplet.lua and forced the screen size in there.

ScaredyCat

colincliff
2010-04-29, 10:15
I think I remember reading somewhere that the fullscreenapplet.lua doesn't work in the more recent revisions i.e. 7.4 onwards.

anyway, instead of messing around I delete the squeezeplay directory and re-tar'd it and got it working first time! Not sure what happened before but I'm enjoying playing with it. Bonus is that the hardware seems to sync well with other squeezeboxes for multi-room audio. Many thanks indeed (looking forward to a more up-to-date build ;) if your building goes well)

colincliff
2010-04-30, 23:46
@ flattermann,

thanks for your message re squeezecommander.

I'm having trouble getting wifi connected with your Android image. When selecting wifi in settings it occasionally says 'unable to start', and when retrying it will see networks but doesnt seem to be able to connect - perhaps a dhcp issue? The standard Joggler software doesn't have a problem connecting to my network.

It seems that android can see the network and accept the password/encryption etc, but not manage to connect. My network uses wpa2 encryption. Are you using wifi successfully?

edit- someone else has mentioned a dhcp issue here: http://www.joggler.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=231&start=20#p4725

flattermann
2010-05-08, 04:10
It seems that android can see the network and accept the password/encryption etc, but not manage to connect. My network uses wpa2 encryption. Are you using wifi successfully?


Strange, I'm using WPA/PSK here and that works without problems.

The only issue is that Wifi is deactivated on boot time, i.e. I have to reactivate it every time when I restart the Joggler. But the credentials are saved successfully, so I only need to tap on the "Wifi" checkbox to activate it.

I'm on vacation in (rainy) Tuscany/Italy right now, but I'll try WPA2 when I'm back in Germany.

flattermann
2010-05-08, 04:10
colincliff;542173 Wrote:
>
> It seems that android can see the network and accept the
> password/encryption etc, but not manage to connect. My network uses
> wpa2 encryption. Are you using wifi successfully?
>

Strange, I'm using WPA/PSK here and that works without problems.

The only issue is that Wifi is deactivated on boot time, i.e. I have to
reactivate it every time when I restart the Joggler. But the credentials
are saved successfully, so I only need to tap on the "Wifi" checkbox to
activate it.

I'm on vacation in (rainy) Tuscany/Italy right now, but I'll try WPA2
when I'm back in Germany.


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colincliff
2010-05-13, 10:42
the 50 deal is back! http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78759

killie99
2010-05-17, 01:07
Is there a way to get the Joggler to display just the album art of the album that is playing? I have a WHS that does all the squeezecenter stuff so I'm looking for a way to 'push' the album art to joggler from the WHS.

parfour
2010-05-19, 12:26
tried the tarball but errored anyone else encountered errors..followed all the instructions.....

flattermann
2010-05-29, 16:16
I finally got Debian Squeeze with LXDE/SqueezePlay/MythTV running on my Joggler!

It's really, really great!
SqueezePlay (including playback) works fine and MythTV also works fast without any issues!

I installed it on the internal MMC, so I can use it without USB key attached. Nice! :-)

markrs
2010-05-31, 02:42
I finally got Debian Squeeze with LXDE/SqueezePlay/MythTV running on my Joggler!

It's really, really great!
SqueezePlay (including playback) works fine and MythTV also works fast without any issues!

I installed it on the internal MMC, so I can use it without USB key attached. Nice! :-)

That is awesome, would love to see how well that works, though I am more interested in LXDE that squeezeplay as I don't have a squeezebox (went the roku soundbridge route). Do you plan to put instructions on jogglerwiki.info?

robinbowes
2010-05-31, 02:49
I finally got Debian Squeeze with LXDE/SqueezePlay/MythTV running on my Joggler!

It's really, really great!
SqueezePlay (including playback) works fine and MythTV also works fast without any issues!

I installed it on the internal MMC, so I can use it without USB key attached. Nice! :-)

I only really want to display the "now playing" screen (and maybe control the player a bit) from my joggler. How would you say Debian Squeeze compares to Android/SqueezeCommander?

R.

PS. I am finding that my joggler is losing wireless connection regularly (when running Android). I have to go back into settings and restart wireless to fix it. Any idea why that might be?

flattermann
2010-05-31, 07:57
That is awesome, would love to see how well that works, though I am more interested in LXDE that squeezeplay as I don't have a squeezebox (went the roku soundbridge route). Do you plan to put instructions on jogglerwiki.info?

http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=Installing_Debian_Squeeze :-)

flattermann
2010-05-31, 08:02
I only really want to display the "now playing" screen (and maybe control the player a bit) from my joggler. How would you say Debian Squeeze compares to Android/SqueezeCommander?

R.

PS. I am finding that my joggler is losing wireless connection regularly (when running Android). I have to go back into settings and restart wireless to fix it. Any idea why that might be?

Debian Squeeze's GUI is faster (because it includes the Intel IEGD driver) than the current Android GUI.

On the other hand, I like the Android usability much more, because it is made for Touchscreens...

I'm using Debian Squeeze on the Joggler right now with mainly two apps: SqueezePlay and MythTV.

That works ok, especially if you install EasyStroke for gestures.

But things like e.g. browsing, email... are not very comfortable on Debian Squeeze (in touch only mode), because the Android OnScreenKeyboard is much better.

About the Android WLAN issue:
Android seems to have problems with low signal strengths. :-/
The network range on Debian seems to be a bit better...

flattermann
2010-06-01, 03:16
Debian Squeeze on the Joggler (Lazy People's Version): ;-)

http://www.flattermann.net/2010/06/installing-debian-squeeze-on-the-joggler-for-lazy-people/

MusicManiac
2010-08-06, 11:41
Did anybody see these announcements from March? I just stumbled upon them by accident.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/openpeaks-opentablet-7-hands-on-moorestown-has-found-a-friend/

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/03/24/opentablet-openpeak-announced-opentablet-coming-late-2010/

A bit interesting I thought.