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Tedco
2009-04-29, 10:43
1) I would like a version of either the Classic or Boom that allows external speakers.

2) I would like to see a weather resistant version that you could use outside (either with speakers, like the boom, or a classic with an amp.)

Who's with me? What else should Logitech produce, and would you buy it?

Thanks,

Ted

aubuti
2009-04-29, 10:52
1) I would like a version of either the Classic or Boom that allows external speakers.
Could you clarify? The Classic has the RCA outs, which many people already use to connect directly to active speakers, with AudioEngines being some of the most popular. And I imagine some use the digital outs to feed active speakers with digital inputs. The Boom has a line out that can also be connected to active speakers or an amp/receiver. What different kind of feature did you have in mind?

Tedco
2009-04-29, 11:08
Sorry, what I meant was non-powered speakers - the reasons being one less device (amp), one less thing to power, and volume being integrated through the Squeezebox. Basically (and its been talked about on this forum before) - an integrated amp in the thing.

The weather-proof one would be great in the garden (to match my non-powered) outdoor speakers. :-)

toby10
2009-04-29, 12:02
Sorry, what I meant was non-powered speakers - the reasons being one less device (amp), one less thing to power, and volume being integrated through the Squeezebox. Basically (and its been talked about on this forum before) - an integrated amp in the thing.

The weather-proof one would be great in the garden (to match my non-powered) outdoor speakers. :-)

Well, there has to be an amp somewhere. :)

Volume *is* controlled through the SB, if you choose to do so. Also, a third party did do a SB with integrated amp (it's in the forums here somewhere). But I really think keeping them as separates allows for far more flexibility and better mix & match options. By the time you make the "all in one" solution you will be looking at Sonos level prices, so then just buy a Sonos system. :)

EDIT: Here it is.....http://www.connectedacoustic.com/product.php?xProd=8&xSec=5

aubuti
2009-04-29, 12:34
Sorry, what I meant was non-powered speakers - the reasons being one less device (amp), one less thing to power, and volume being integrated through the Squeezebox. Basically (and its been talked about on this forum before) - an integrated amp in the thing.
Thanks for the clarification. You mean something like this (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54571) or this (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62669)? You're right, it has been talked about before. Why not join the ongoing "what I'd like to see next" thread here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62455

Frankly, neither this nor an all-weather SB hold much appeal for me. I'd put a higher priority on fixing existing bugs, as well as further partnerships with music service providers. As for new products, something with a touchscreen interface might be nice.
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Roger66
2009-04-30, 01:16
I'd like to see something like a SB classic with an USB Port to connect an USB stick with MP3s or an (cheap self-powered) external HD full of MP3s. Muvid shows with their IR715 how such a device may look alike: 19" form factor (same or lower price than SB classic) without the heavy price of the transporter of course) and USB port.

toby10
2009-04-30, 03:57
I'd like to see something like a SB classic with an USB Port to connect an USB stick with MP3s or an (cheap self-powered) external HD full of MP3s. Muvid shows with their IR715 how such a device may look alike: 19" form factor (same or lower price than SB classic) without the heavy price of the transporter of course) and USB port.

Looks like a lot of wasted space to me:
http://www.myway.de/ElectronicFreak/IR_715.html

Limited to WMA & MP3 playback? Does it even have digital outs (all specs are in German)? Limited to UPNP utilizing WMP or iTunes? No access to online music services? 5x bigger than an SB3?
And for a price close to the SB3??

No thanks. :)

I could see adding a USB connection to the Boom (which does have a line in) as it is designed as a portable all-in-one device. But for any dedicated box like the SB3 I think it is unnecessary as your server must be close by so just add that USB device to the server computer.

I'd rather SD spend time coming up with a USB "Quick Scan" module within SC7 with a separate USB menu item for quick Plug & Play USB usage on their current hardware offerings. :)

tipsen
2009-04-30, 04:31
I have a Boom and a Classic and would like to see an upgraded version of the Classic with a large OLED color display. It's sometimes a bit difficult to see the display on the Classic at 5m distance and I don't see any reason why a display couldn't fill out the whole front of the box - then the box didn't have to be bigger than the Classic.

peter
2009-04-30, 11:10
tipsen wrote:
> I have a Boom and a Classic and would like to see an upgraded version of
> the Classic with a large OLED color display. It's sometimes a bit
> difficult to see the display on the Classic at 5m distance and I don't
> see any reason why a display couldn't fill out the whole front of the
> box - then the box didn't have to be bigger than the Classic.
>

With a touch screen.
Running squeezeplay.
In picture frame format, a bit larger than the classic.

That sounds like the most logical extension to the range to me.

Regards,
Peter

Lefatshe
2009-05-07, 06:40
I could see adding a USB connection to the Boom (which does have a line in) as it is designed as a portable all-in-one device.

I'd rather SD spend time coming up with a USB "Quick Scan" module within SC7 with a separate USB menu item for quick Plug & Play USB usage on their current hardware offerings. :)

I agree 110%! I have an 250 GB USB external hard drive full of FLAC files that I would like to play anywhere. Seems like the Boom should have a USB input. It would solve my upcoming problem (see below).

My office is "upgrading" and restricting the software installed on our soon-to-arrive new computers -- for security. So no more Foobar2000 to listen to my music. Any suggestions on how to listen to my 12,000 FLAC files at work without being able to add additional software?

Instead of the Boom with a USB connection for my office (which would be simple), I was thinking about this way too complicated solution -- the Linux wall wart with SC installed connected to the USB external hard drive as source and a SB with powered speakers for music.

Dogberry2
2009-05-07, 07:31
I have an 250 GB USB external hard drive full of FLAC files that I would like to play anywhere. Seems like the Boom should have a USB input.The problem is, the Boom isn't a PC. It doesn't have the processor or the memory to run SqueezeCenter. If it did, it would cost a heckuva lot more. The Boom (like the other SBs) is just a receiver; all the real work is done by SqueezeCenter. Making the Boom a totally independent unit would require a complete redesign, make it bigger, probably require a fan for cooling the processor (thereby introducing all kinds of problems keeping the sound quality decent), and make it much more expensive. It would be a wholly different product from anything in the SB line. It's like wanting to put wings on a car and make it fly; it's conceivable, but would require radically different engineering from what it is now. Nothing about the current design makes it possible to just plug in a USB drive and go.

But the Boom does have an input jack. You can plug any old MP3 player into it and use it as an amp/speaker player that way. Or use it with a personal laptop (as opposed to company property) running SC, wired directly, and thereby get the full benefit of the front panel interface and lossless music files.

dennis55
2009-05-07, 07:41
i own a Transporter and a Duet and have owned the SB3 (black).
i would buy a Boom in a minute IF it had AC/DC capabilities.
that's it's only drawback in my book,not being a truly "portable" unit...........


dennis

Roger66
2009-05-07, 07:51
Hi toby,

sorry for my late answer, but Email notification didn't work.


Looks like a lot of wasted space to me:
Full ack. Not much to see inside, but isn't the 19" form factor for audio components a waste of space at all ;-) ? BTW, it fits snugly into my existing 19" waste of space *lol*. Even nicer than a SB classic ... just like transporter does ...


Limited to WMA & MP3 playback? Does it even have digital outs (all specs are in German)? Limited to UPNP utilizing WMP or iTunes? No access to online music services? 5x bigger than an SB3?
Of course not. Digital out is AFAIR only RCA, but it's there. There's also a website similar to SN to add/edit web radio favorites, get podcasts and so on. Unsure about additional services, didn't try it, but they're not very important for me. Really important is only MP3 and web radio. And MP3 directly via USB, without dedicated, pricey and energy eating $$ server hardware/NAS which has to be maintained and administrated. Just put a simple, noiseless and cheap USB Stick in it and have access to 16 or more GB of MP3s, what means at least 200 CD albums ripped for me. O.k., no NTFS capability, FAT32 only, but that's o.k.

I only returned the Muvid to the vendor because of its lousy WLAN performance. In german hifi communities I was told that many other users see an excellent WLAN performance, but my copy was bad. Maybe the internal antenna connector was loose, but one of the case screws was warranty sealed and I didn't want to lose the warranty ... There was no other copy in the store, so I went to a SB classic which is a nice piece of hardware, too. It sounds clearly better, supports more file formats, has more online capabilities and the case is very well built, too :-)).


And for a price close to the SB3??
In germany actually it's 36% less, but that was not the point.


I could see adding a USB connection to the Boom (which does have a line in) as it is designed as a portable all-in-one device. But for any dedicated box like the SB3 I think it is unnecessary as your server must be close by so just add that USB device to the server computer.
Server ? I don't use any dedicated server. And I don't want one at the moment. Very rarely I use my Notebook with SC. A simple slim 2,5" USB hard drive is the only thing I would buy for audio purposes when going for FLAC ripping my CD albums for better audio quality. And this low noise drive can be very close to my hifi equipment I think.


I'd rather SD spend time coming up with a USB "Quick Scan" module within SC7 with a separate USB menu item for quick Plug & Play USB usage on their current hardware offerings. :)

Sounds good - as a begin :-)
But why to limit USB to the boom only ?

Lefatshe
2009-05-07, 08:19
The problem is, the Boom isn't a PC. It doesn't have the processor or the memory to run SqueezeCenter. If it did, it would cost a heckuva lot more. The Boom (like the other SBs) is just a receiver; all the real work is done by SqueezeCenter. Making the Boom a totally independent unit would require a complete redesign, make it bigger, probably require a fan for cooling the processor (thereby introducing all kinds of problems keeping the sound quality decent), and make it much more expensive. It would be a wholly different product from anything in the SB line. It's like wanting to put wings on a car and make it fly; it's conceivable, but would require radically different engineering from what it is now. Nothing about the current design makes it possible to just plug in a USB drive and go.

Yes. Thanks. I did more research and saw that the Boom requires an external system with 256MB RAM, ethernet or wireless network, and 100MB hard disk space (for SC).

But I read about an "optimized" SqueezeCenter on the forum that can run on the Linux Wall Wart(s), without fans, etc. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60617&highlight=linux+wall+wart (posts #32 and #34) If it could be optimized to have a one-box player with SC that can get files from USB, Firewire or wireless, that would be great. I realize price-point is an issue, but I'd buy a SC player to have the portability of my music -- to my office, my friends house, a vacation weekend, or the car (maybe not yet a flying car). See Aubuti's earlier comment and link to the related thread about everyone having external hard drive(s) of our music (as a backup)in our moutain house or our office.


But the Boom does have an input jack. You can plug any old MP3 player into it and use it as an amp/speaker player that way. Or use it with a personal laptop (as opposed to company property) running SC, wired directly, and thereby get the full benefit of the front panel interface and lossless music files.

In the meantime, I will join the rest of the world and buy an MP3 player.

toby10
2009-05-07, 12:32
Hi toby,

sorry for my late answer, but Email notification didn't work.


Full ack. Not much to see inside, but isn't the 19" form factor for audio components a waste of space at all ;-) ? BTW, it fits snugly into my existing 19" waste of space *lol*. Even nicer than a SB classic ... just like transporter does ......

That would depend on your use. If you want an SB3 on your bedside table then yeah, that's a lot of wasted space. My SB3 is "floating" as it were in my AV rack, not even taking up rack shelf space. Simple heavy guage wire "mounted" on the back of the AV rack acting as an "arm" holding up the SB3. All wires (ethernet, optical, power, support wire) are completely hidden inside a black "sleeve" which shows as the arm.

Can't do that with a 19" box. :)

My point was, far better functionality, far more features, far more supported codecs and services, in a small enough box that doesn't even require shelf space.

You do, indeed, get what you pay for. :)

toby10
2009-05-07, 12:51
The problem is, the Boom isn't a PC. It doesn't have the processor or the memory to run SqueezeCenter.....

Yes, I didn't mean running a USB device at the Boom as a standalone device without the Boom being connected to SC.

Is there any way a USB port on such a device as the Boom could be seen by SC as a "networked drive" as the Boom has it's own IP? Just thinking outloud. :)

Phil Leigh
2009-05-07, 13:59
Yes, I didn't mean running a USB device at the Boom as a standalone device without the Boom being connected to SC.

Is there any way a USB port on such a device as the Boom could be seen by SC as a "networked drive" as the Boom has it's own IP? Just thinking outloud. :)

Only a device such as a Boom with a computer in it can do this... (you know - like a NAS...) :-)

You need a nit more than a USB port and an IP address. This is what many folks don't get about a NAS - it's just a really half-baked computer!

toby10
2009-05-07, 14:11
Only a device such as a Boom with a computer in it can do this... (you know - like a NAS...) :-)

You need a nit more than a USB port and an IP address. This is what many folks don't get about a NAS - it's just a really half-baked computer!

Ok, gotcha. :)

GeeJay
2009-05-07, 20:07
tipsen wrote:
> I have a Boom and a Classic and would like to see an upgraded version of
> the Classic with a large OLED color display. It's sometimes a bit
> difficult to see the display on the Classic at 5m distance and I don't
> see any reason why a display couldn't fill out the whole front of the
> box - then the box didn't have to be bigger than the Classic.
>

With a touch screen.
Running squeezeplay.
In picture frame format, a bit larger than the classic.

That sounds like the most logical extension to the range to me.

Regards,
Peter

This gets my vote as well. I have an SBR in our billiards room, but am about to replace it with the mothballed SB3 I used to have there. If Logitech came out with a device with larger display, I'd upgrade immediately (then I'd have two mothballed devices!).

ModelCitizen
2009-05-08, 03:21
> an upgraded version of the Classic with a large OLED color display.

With a touch screen.
Running squeezeplay.
In picture frame format, a bit larger than the classic.


Yup. I'd really like to see this too. With USB support for large drives (1tb plus) and the ability for other players to use the same music library. I am after stability and if running (even a reduced functionality) SC/SP from a hardware player enabled me to get my computer out of the playing/listening loop then I'd be all for it.

A web interface for configuration nitty gritty might be useful though.

I'd also welcome a rethink of the ui (and especially no repeat of the controller ui)... and would hope that the implementation of a touch screen might encourage that.

MC

Dingostrategy
2009-05-08, 08:35
I personally don't want the USB option - but batteries would be brilliant.

One thing though, I think the USB option is not as complex as needing a PC - there are plenty of very small, very inexpensive amp/speaker devices that accept USB sticks. (many of them are iPod docks or similar, but others are not)

That said - an inexpensive mp3 player and a stereo cable makes just as much - or more - sense.

Kuben72
2009-05-08, 12:09
How about a docking station for the Controller with build in speakers like those you can buy for a IPod.

Metazargo
2011-09-10, 04:00
Find some ideas here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=656536&postcount=17

satkinsn
2011-09-18, 06:29
I know this is a ridiculous and retrograde idea, but I'd love to see a SB with a quality am/fm tuner, and perhaps the ability to time shift programming.

Unlike most of you, I view my SBs as primarily radio by other means, and my ideal device is a seamless 'Tivo for radio.'

Scott A.

Ikabob
2011-09-18, 07:09
I would like to have a service that provides the audio streams of many television programs. I'd pay for something like that.