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Sike
2009-04-16, 02:18
Hello

I have more SBCs than most people can confortably imagine, a Duet, a Boombox and my personal favorite iPeng. (The Transporter is a little overkill for me, and not quite in the price range sweet-spot I can smuggle past my budget)

My question, which will probably be answerd by the usual "We at Logitech don't comment on future...." -- Is there something new coming out from SD? Could we at least get some gossip going? I don't really know what more I could ask for, but if it is shiny, electronic and comes from SD - Chances are I'll buy it ;)

SD does not do video, so it is probably pointless to ask for a MNT with logitech branding...

JJZolx
2009-04-16, 03:46
SD does not do video, so it is probably pointless to ask for a MNT with logitech branding...

MNT?

Why not video? If it happens, you probably won't hear about it until it's released.

raven22
2009-04-16, 04:01
MNT?

Why not video? If it happens, you probably won't hear about it until it's released.

NMT Networked Media Tank ?

Sike
2009-04-16, 04:43
NMT Networked Media Tank ?

Bingo!

What about some regular good ol' gossip. I canot even fathom what could come next.. Squeezebox with Amp? UMTS Squeezeman(R)?

Muele
2009-04-16, 04:51
I can't come up with any goosip.

But what I would like to see is a couple of hybrids between SB Classic and Boom: Classic with buttons and knob so you can control it w/o the remote. And the same as above but including an amp.

tamanaco
2009-04-16, 05:03
How about a Controller-Universal Remote. Now that Logitech owns SD a SqueezeHarmony remote with a numbers keypad and touchscreen shouldn't be so hard to do.

Rick B.
2009-04-16, 05:06
How about a Controller-Universal Remote. Now that Logitech owns SD a SqueezeHarmony remote with a numbers keypad and touchscreen shouldn't be so hard to do.

You've got my vote!

chenrikson
2009-04-16, 06:19
Not a SD product, obviously, but Logitech has announced a converter that will allow direct control of Playstation 3's using IR. Currently PS3's are Bluetooth and require a dedicated remote for complete control of the DVD functions. The Home Theater community is all excited about this. Of course, maybe you need to get a PS3 as your new toy first!

BastiaanR
2009-04-16, 06:21
What would you LIKE to see in a new SD product?

Me, I would like a mix between the WD TV, SqueezeCenter, and a few download P2P clients.

Dogberry2
2009-04-16, 06:44
I've mentioned it before, but I don't mind bringing it up again: Wifi headphones. A sort of cross-breeding between a Duet Receiver and a Boom, that you can wear on your head. Top-quality headphone speakers, controlled via the Controller. Rechargeable (obviously), with a convenient drop-them-in-the-cradle charging stand much like the Sennheiser wireless headphones. I have a set of Sennheisers, and I like them well enough, but the sound quality is not top-notch; I know the Logitech/Slim engineers could do much better. Oh, maybe include some very basic controls on the phones themselves: volume, on/off, perhaps next and previous track, maybe even pause. Whatever minimal set of buttons are on the phones would have to have tactile differences, so they could be operated without taking the unit off your head to look at it. But browsing/selecting music would pretty much have to be done via the Controller. A listening time of, say, around four hours on a charge would be acceptable to me.

I know it would take some development effort, but I have a lot of faith in the engineering team from Slim-plus-Logitech. If such a thing were available, and up to the high-quality standards of the Boom and the rest of the SB line, I'd gladly pay the same price as a Boom. There are times when it's simply better to listen to music with headphones, and the options available right now either tether me to a very specific location with a wire, or give me freedom at the cost of audio quality.

Someday, perhaps, the SqueezePhones (ick! -- need another name) will be available. Until then, I'll continue to hope.

cliveb
2009-04-16, 06:54
What would you LIKE to see in a new SD product?Slim Devices is now part of "Logitech Streaming Media Systems", right? So video devices are not out of the question. And Logitech itself is basically a company that sells hardware appliances. And Slim Devices is a big supporter of the open source community. Therefore...

The world needs an affordable MythTV frontend appliance - silent, with no moving parts. The Hauppauge MediaMVP can be hacked but doesn't provide full MythTV frontend capabilities. Building your own involves general-purpose motherboards which are nowhere near as cheap as special-purpose hardware could be. A sub-$100 device would be most welcome. (Well, I'd buy a couple!)

jrfuda
2009-04-16, 07:01
- Love the universal remote idea, and have been wqanting the same for a while.
- Think the headphone idea's great too
- Would like to see it integrated into 3rd party receivers instead of DLNA/UPnP (mentioned in anohter thread)
- Need to target custom installations with in-wall options, in mulitple colors (via faceplates)... kind of like a SBC you can mount in wall (fixed or removeable)... Heck, an in-wall mount/charger for the SBC would be a start (and very versitile), but the final option would need to be the size of 1-2 normal outlet/switchboxes. This can be expanded with amplified SBR-type devices that can be mounted in wall as well (maybe as part of the in wall charger)
- one of the most important things that would be great would be a SERVER solution. Maybe a NAS-type device with about a terabyte of storage that comes pre-installed with SC and is 100% completely controllable via a web-interface (including software updates). No more having to jump through hoops to get SC running & maintined on a headless device like we do now. Just pluig and play. At a nice price point (<$300), I think this could help SlimDevices get a larger market share.... If the box had a CD drive that could rip and catalog your library on the fly as well (for a little more $) that would be even better. The ability to buy music via the SC web intergace or SBC would be nevessary too in order to make this a truly all-in-one solution.
- Hardware that can use the 802.11n spec, especially in the 5GHz range (2.4 HHz is really crowded) and gigabit ethernet (Overkill, I know)...

dave77
2009-04-16, 07:37
Someday, perhaps, the SqueezePhones (ick! -- need another name) will be available. Until then, I'll continue to hope.

I always thought you could plug headphones into the Controller, dunno where I got that idea from. I guess it could work though.

I'd like to see a wall mountable version of the Controller for sub 100, discounted for multiple packs. The price of the controller at the moment is far too high for what it does in my opinion!

funkstar
2009-04-16, 07:50
I always thought you could plug headphones into the Controller, dunno where I got that idea from. I guess it could work though.
You can, though it isn't an advertised feature and playback is still in Beta for the time being.

Btw, I love the idea of the squeeze headphones! never thought of that one before. Being able to use them a regular A2DP Bluetooth headphones would also be cool (not that difficult as BT and wifi are aften combined in the same chipset these days).

jrfuda
2009-04-16, 08:26
As far as the headphones go. They'd need to be a self contained unit, not dependent on aything else for playback, but still controllable with a SBC or SC, if desired. They'll need minimum controls on them (next, prev, play, pause, volume), but playlists, songs, etc, will have to be iniitaly sent to them via SC or and SBC... kind of the iPod Shuffle of squeezeboxes as far as fetures go... There could be a way to set up a handful of preferred playlists (kind of like the preset buttons on the boom) that are triggered by buttons (maybe a single one that rotates through "x" presets) so you can use the squeezephones (yes, I know y'all hate that name) without a secondary device after setting them up, initially, with SC.

Mike Meyer
2009-04-16, 08:31
I would still be interested in a SqueezeWiz portable device. The Controller is close but it's form factor is a remote control and not something smaller to carry around in your pocket.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52858

greg from winnipeg
2009-04-16, 09:32
- one of the most important things that would be great would be a SERVER solution. Maybe a NAS-type device with about a terabyte of storage that comes pre-installed with SC and is 100% completely controllable via a web-interface (including software updates). No more having to jump through hoops to get SC running & maintined on a headless device like we do now. Just pluig and play. At a nice price point (<$300), I think this could help SlimDevices get a larger market share.... If the box had a CD drive that could rip and catalog your library on the fly as well (for a little more $) that would be even better. The ability to buy music via the SC web intergace or SBC would be nevessary too in order to make this a truly all-in-one solution.

Sounds like VortexBox 1TB Automatic CD ripping NAS : http://vortexbox.org/buy/
He doesn't quite hit your price point, however, $359 (+$8.99 shipping).

maggior
2009-04-16, 11:14
Sounds like VortexBox 1TB Automatic CD ripping NAS : http://vortexbox.org/buy/
He doesn't quite hit your price point, however, $359 (+$8.99 shipping).

The problem with vortex box is that the user is too blind to what is going on. What happens when the CD you are ripping isn't in freedb.org? Or you don't like the genre that freedb.org has a CD categorized for? I think a web UI frontend is needed for vortex box for it to be really standalone and viable. As far as I can see, such a frontend isn't in the plans.

As it stands now, vortex box works well as a server where a second PC is used to rip CDs onto the vortex network share. This is certainly a good step, but it doesn't make the vortex box a completely standalone solution IMHO.

funkstar
2009-04-16, 12:59
As far as the headphones go. They'd need to be a self contained unit, not dependent on aything else for playback, but still controllable with a SBC or SC, if desired.
A stripped down controller would work. Battery in one can, the processor and audio circuits in the other. Might not need to be as powerful a processor either as there is no screen to draw, just audio decoding. That would also mean less flash memory too.

I'm really liking the idea of this now :D

socistep
2009-04-16, 15:40
The problem with vortex box is that the user is too blind to what is going on. What happens when the CD you are ripping isn't in freedb.org? Or you don't like the genre that freedb.org has a CD categorized for? I think a web UI frontend is needed for vortex box for it to be really standalone and viable. As far as I can see, such a frontend isn't in the plans.

As it stands now, vortex box works well as a server where a second PC is used to rip CDs onto the vortex network share. This is certainly a good step, but it doesn't make the vortex box a completely standalone solution IMHO.

I disagree here, you can easy interact with the vortexbox server through network share etc into dbpoweramp etc. and update those albums not tagged correctly or wrong artwork. I don't think any server is going to 100% automate ripping of your library and you'll have to manually manage an element.

If vortexbox can automate 80% of my ripping/tagging then I have to manually sort the remainder that's better then having to manually kick off 100%

agillis
2009-04-16, 17:54
VortexBox is more then just a server solution it's a player as well. You can connect a VortexBox appliance directly to your whole house audio system and it will play multiple channels of music using SqueezeSlave.

I'll work on getting VortexBox to work with a BlueTooth headset directly. That should make jrfuda's SqueezePhones a reality.

Letten
2009-04-17, 06:14
I would like to see:

a batterypack for Boom

a subwoofer for Boom, could be a "off the shelf" Logitech Z5, but sold seperately without the sattelites.

a product with larger seperate speakers (bookshelf) to be used as a complete stereo, but uses all the obvious advantages of the Boom (DSP, amplifier and speaker integration and optimisation). A Kids room stereo or livingroom stereo if you're not an audiofile. Today I use a SB reciever and a pair of Audioengine A5's for that purpose but I'm sure that an integrated and optimized DSP,amp,speaker-solution will sound better.

ShutterShock
2009-04-17, 09:19
I really like the idea of a portable, hand-held Squeezebox but my first choice would be a new SB "Classic" with a hi-res color display. Nice to see the album art vividly displayed, along with other imagery. Kind of like marrying the best of Duet with the best of Classic.

BastiaanR
2009-04-17, 10:48
I really like the idea of a portable, hand-held Squeezebox but my first choice would be a new SB "Classic" with a hi-res color display.

A SBC with a hi-res colour display would by my choice as well. I'm not a fan of the Duet Controller.

BastiaanR
2009-04-17, 10:49
A Kids room stereo or livingroom stereo if you're not an audiofile.

A "MyBoom", available in all primary colours ;p

86atc250r
2009-04-17, 12:28
A receiver type device with built in amp (maybe offered in various sizes) -- just hook to your traditional speakers and go.

Taking it a step further, maybe offer the DSP functionality of the Boom, adjustable crossover freq's, sub out, etc.., settings tweakable from squeezecenter.

autopilot
2009-04-17, 12:42
A receiver type device with built in amp (maybe offered in various sizes) -- just hook to your traditional speakers and go.

You mean like this - http://www.connectedacoustic.com/product.php?xProd=2&gclid=CJWY_e7V-JkCFQsEZgod_CnVEQ

86atc250r
2009-04-17, 12:49
Neat -- I was unaware of that product. Am I reading right that it basically acts as an SBR & interfaces to Squeezecenter? I wonder if it handles Rhapsody, Pandora, etc?

autopilot
2009-04-17, 13:44
Neat -- I was unaware of that product. Am I reading right that it basically acts as an SBR & interfaces to Squeezecenter? I wonder if it handles Rhapsody, Pandora, etc?

It does everything a normal SBR does, it is an SBR, it's just an SBR built into a unit with an AMP.

http://www.connectedacoustic.com/product.php?xProd=8&xSec=4

Club1820
2009-04-17, 14:00
A SBC with a hi-res colour display would by my choice as well.

Same here. Better yet, a SB3 with touch screen controller.

maggior
2009-04-17, 20:15
I disagree here, you can easy interact with the vortexbox server through network share etc into dbpoweramp etc. and update those albums not tagged correctly or wrong artwork. I don't think any server is going to 100% automate ripping of your library and you'll have to manually manage an element.

If vortexbox can automate 80% of my ripping/tagging then I have to manually sort the remainder that's better then having to manually kick off 100%

If you interact with it via a network share, then it is basically a NAS that can run squeezecenter. I don't think that is the intention of vortex box.

I guess it depends on your colleciton and how fussy you are about your tags. I'd be lucky if it got 20% of my collection correct. No fault of vortex box - it's the freedb database that is at fault.

agillis
2009-04-17, 21:25
That's exactly the point of VortexBox. You can use it for whatever you want. Some people buy an appliance and never touch the command line. Some people have it and install Gnome desktop and lots of other applications.

VortexBox is a music storage platform. How you use it is up to you. Your not locked into proprietary software or hardware you can modify the system as you go to fit your needs. The intention of VortexBox is to build an open platform you can use for whatever.

Andy8421
2009-04-17, 22:21
For what its worth, I think it Logitech are facing a number of challenges on a number of fronts. I am a big SD fan, (now up to 8 SD boxes in the house), but I think their biz model is under some pressure. SD's model is to charge for the box and give the software away. So, for the SB controller, iPeng has completely changed the game. Price comparable if you need to buy an iPod, a no brainer if you already have one.

www.penguinlovesmusic.de

For the streaming media boxes, I would guess video is the next 'big thing'. Have a look at the HDX box. At $219, it seems to be being given away. HDMI 1.3 and full 1080p.

www.hdx1080.com

Slightly away from SD, but using using an iPod as a universal remote puts you in Logitech harmony territory.

www.airremote.com
www.tinbert.com/iRed2/iRedTouch

Dont think either are quite there yet (one seems to have stalled), but clearly this will be a challenge for logitech going forward.

So what would I like? (and would buy tomorrow)

A streaming media box with the video capability of the HDX1080, and the audio quality of a transporter.

A handheld remote to control it based upon the iPod touch

Outputs to drive IR flashers and an rs232 port so that the system could be fully integrated with a home AV system.

If I am prepared to work at it, I could just about assemble my 'ideal box' (ex the audio quality of the transporter) from separate components currently available for less than the price of a transporter.

Interesting times in mountain view I would guess.

Before you write off SD, I think there is nothing out there currently to touch the Boom. I now have 4. The DSP approach and resulting audio quality is remarkable for a box with the form factor of the Boom. The transporter is great in its own way, but will never be a volume product at its current price point. I am however a huge fan of that as well.

socistep
2009-04-18, 03:13
If you interact with it via a network share, then it is basically a NAS that can run squeezecenter. I don't think that is the intention of vortex box.

I guess it depends on your colleciton and how fussy you are about your tags. I'd be lucky if it got 20% of my collection correct. No fault of vortex box - it's the freedb database that is at fault.

I use the VortexBox for other uses, it stores all photos and important docs and serves to pc's on network so it does have a NAS element to it, but the ability to automate music ripping (at whatever % it does correctly)& serve music to my SB players is great. I first had it running on a 20 old compaq pc so it can offer a cheap server solution for people.

Phil Leigh
2009-04-18, 05:58
For what its worth, I think it Logitech are facing a number of challenges on a number of fronts. I am a big SD fan, (now up to 8 SD boxes in the house), but I think their biz model is under some pressure. SD's model is to charge for the box and give the software away. So, for the SB controller, iPeng has completely changed the game. Price comparable if you need to buy an iPod, a no brainer if you already have one.

www.penguinlovesmusic.de

For the streaming media boxes, I would guess video is the next 'big thing'. Have a look at the HDX box. At $219, it seems to be being given away. HDMI 1.3 and full 1080p.

www.hdx1080.com

Slightly away from SD, but using using an iPod as a universal remote puts you in Logitech harmony territory.

www.airremote.com
www.tinbert.com/iRed2/iRedTouch

Dont think either are quite there yet (one seems to have stalled), but clearly this will be a challenge for logitech going forward.

So what would I like? (and would buy tomorrow)

A streaming media box with the video capability of the HDX1080, and the audio quality of a transporter.

A handheld remote to control it based upon the iPod touch

Outputs to drive IR flashers and an rs232 port so that the system could be fully integrated with a home AV system.

If I am prepared to work at it, I could just about assemble my 'ideal box' (ex the audio quality of the transporter) from separate components currently available for less than the price of a transporter.

Interesting times in mountain view I would guess.

Before you write off SD, I think there is nothing out there currently to touch the Boom. I now have 4. The DSP approach and resulting audio quality is remarkable for a box with the form factor of the Boom. The transporter is great in its own way, but will never be a volume product at its current price point. I am however a huge fan of that as well.


I agree with most of your points. However, I will never have anything "Apple" or "iXXX" in my house. My choice. I don't like their business model. Also, I don't believe that an iPod Touch with any software can touch my Harmony One remote. Again, my preference.

I do believe that SD needs a video solution - and soon. I have 1,000 DVD's waiting to be ripped...


Neither the Controller or an iPhone/iPod solution do it for me. I'd want a wi-fi Crestron-style touchscreen (which can be "undocked" from its charging station and used as a tablet) with a big display - say 10/12-inch diagonal.

86atc250r
2009-04-18, 13:24
I don't agree that the iphone/itouch solution is a huge factor.

Reason being it is a personal solution. I have four people in my house. If I had an iPhone with iPeng software, it may very well be handy for me - it is not, however, handy for anyone else in the household, nor do I think I would be real comfortable passing it around at a party.

I think it's great that it is an option - and a very viable one. Even if it does cannibalize some SBC sales, I think it offers value to Logitech in that it adds value to their other products and fills a void that they don't and probably can't really fill - a personal device that is on you most all the time.

Video -- not sure. It would be a cool addition, but audio and video are two completely different products.

I am perfectly happy having my "squeezeboxen" be my audio solution. I have a completely separate IP video solution that I'm pretty happy with too for the time being. Not sure it's in anyone's best interest for slim to try to be the best video solution and the best audio solution out there. Let's focus on what we know, make it better, make it appeal to a wider audience, make it easy for the technically challenged.

The potential audio market is huge as IP audio takes over traditional audio, we are only at the very beginning stages. Some strides have to be made to make it feasible for Joe Sixpack to be able to:
1.) afford it.
2.) understand how to make it work.

Video would cloud & complicate the issue at a time when it probably doesn't need to be clouded or complicated.

A good video solution would be very cool - but a whole 'nother development team would likely be needed so that the audio side of things wouldn't suffer.

There's a lot to be said for not spreading yourself too thin and not trying to be the best at everything.

snarlydwarf
2009-04-18, 14:41
Video -- not sure. It would be a cool addition, but audio and video are two completely different products.


Very different: to the point I don't see a reason to bother with computer video storage.

How often do I watch a given movie? I wonder at myself sometimes as to why I buy movies instead of renting: renting is almost surely a better bargain...

How often would I have 'random play' or anything like it that would need good indexing and 'always online' availablility. Knowing roughly where the cd is seems to work pretty well.

Would I lose DVD navigation features? For some discs this would destroy them (say Icky Flix or the Commercial DVD by The Residents...).

I just don't see what computer-stored video gives you that a DVD doesn't... in fact, I see drawbacks when the menu structure is stripped out.

86atc250r
2009-04-18, 15:05
All very true. I don't have any movies set up in my video system at all, either.

I use mine as a DVR on steroids. I have two weeks of programming info at any given time, powerful search functions, etc. I can stream any recorded programs to three different TV's in the house, the kids can easily watch any of their recorded programs in their room - I can control what channels they have access to, etc - all over the IP network and a set top box.

I've also had the ability for years to schedule my recordings over the internet, even live stream my tuner or recorded programs over the net, although, really - unless you're a total junkie, there's little reason for it.

It's perfect for my needs. I don't see a huge need for indexing, dvd storage (and the numerous problems the encryption causes), etc. But as a networked DVR, it's awesome. Random play of recorded video is cool for the kids - they love selecting random shows to play at night as they go to bed.

As for DVD's - if I play a DVD, I have full access to the menu structure via MCE remote control. You still do if you have the DVD stored in DVD format on the HDD also --- a feature I've helped friends with, but don't use myself.

FWIW, I don't use my video solution at all in the same manner as I do my audio system.

toby10
2009-04-18, 15:49
.....
I just don't see what computer-stored video gives you that a DVD doesn't... in fact, I see drawbacks when the menu structure is stripped out.


Completely agree. Between rentals, library, sharing/borrowing, internet video streaming, video on demand, Netflix type streaming services, 200+ digital cable/sat ch's to choose from, PPV, etc... it sure isn't anything high on my list. :)

Between DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray I own less than 50 titles, and most of those were gifts from others, not my purchases.

tamanaco
2009-04-19, 06:55
I lean to the side of having the audio solution separated from the video solution. To begin the formats of the source files are different, are processed differently and the different formats will evolve over time and at different pace. A better format for audio or video that requires different hardware might emerge and render half of the combined Audio/Video box obsolete.

Like many others I believe that disc (CD/DVD/BR) media is on its way out. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but eventually. There are several solutions related to video content that have already been mentioned here. Recording off the air/cable/Intenet (DVR-like) purchasing the content (DVD/Blueray) and VOD. Having a mix of all these in one box is something that companies like Tivo are trying to tackle.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but having a solution similar to the Squeezebox solution for video is a bit more complicated. To begin, ripping DVDs is not as straight forward as ripping CDs. Most DVDs have copy protection and copyright restrictions that "currently" would make the development of a "legal" and "commercially viable" DVD ripping program almost impossible. The number of licenses required to produce such product will require the legal team from hell because the movie studios copyright contracts are very complex and restricts the way of how, when and for how long you can use their content. VOD streams and digital video purchases are tied to the ID of one single box. If you buy a digital video for box x you can not play it in box y. Even if the box is made by the same vendor. I doubt that this will change much in the near future as the movie studios learned a valuable lesson from what happened to the music studios. They know that content is king and will protect the goose that lays the golden video eggs at all cost.

<Dream>
As I mentioned in another thread, Logitech should try to acquire a company like Vudu that already has a purchasing video service, a VOD service and a box with some of best video quality (HDX) around. They can enhance the Vudu box (or a similar product) and make it a video "companion box" to the Squeezebox and build a single user interface to control both. Not a browser-based interface, but something with an interface like the one on the Tivo or Vudu boxes which can be controlled with a single remote while interfacing with the TV or a Computer. I might be a little bit biased here because I own a Vudu box, but I like their pay as you go VOD and their SD/HD/HDX video purchase models. Adding an off the air/cable/Intenet (DVR-like) module that saves content on a server will make it a full audio-video solution. </Dream>

iPhone
2009-04-19, 07:09
Very different: to the point I don't see a reason to bother with computer video storage.

How often do I watch a given movie? I wonder at myself sometimes as to why I buy movies instead of renting: renting is almost surely a better bargain...

How often would I have 'random play' or anything like it that would need good indexing and 'always online' availablility. Knowing roughly where the cd is seems to work pretty well.

Would I lose DVD navigation features? For some discs this would destroy them (say Icky Flix or the Commercial DVD by The Residents...).

I just don't see what computer-stored video gives you that a DVD doesn't... in fact, I see drawbacks when the menu structure is stripped out.

I see your point for how you live, view, and think of movies. But others of us live and watch differently. For myself, I watch 600 to 750 movies a year. I enjoy movies and I have a nice media room to watch them in (the neighbors like to call me up saying they just got the latest movie and they are bringing the Pizza). So not messing with DVDs and cases would be nice just as Slim Devices has removed the pain of CD cases.

But there is the point that some only watch a movie once, as for me, if its a good movie I have seen it 5 or 6 times.

So I would like to see SD do something with video. But again, that's just me.

SJobson
2009-04-19, 12:59
iPhone, you watch on average around two movies every day? When do you get time to use your Squeezebox? ;)

I don't imagine your usage is particularly common. And even if you do watch things 5 or 6 times, you presumably still choose them rather than clicking 'random'.

Ben Sandee
2009-04-19, 16:06
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, SJobson
<SJobson.3qwolz1240171201 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> I don't imagine your usage is particularly common. And even if you do
> watch things 5 or 6 times, you presumably still choose them rather than
> clicking 'random'.

I haven't used random on my squeezeboxes in years for similar reasons
to why you wouldn't randomly watch a movie, I presume. I don't think
that's really a terribly valid comparison.

Ben

iPhone
2009-04-19, 17:52
iPhone, you watch on average around two movies every day? When do you get time to use your Squeezebox? ;)

I don't imagine your usage is particularly common. And even if you do watch things 5 or 6 times, you presumably still choose them rather than clicking 'random'.

Yes I sure do average 2 movies a day. I watch one every night during dinner so there is almost always at least one a day. Some days we watch another right after dinner (making it 2 movies) and sometimes I will watch one at 16:00 right after the market closes. On the weekend, we probably average 4 movies a day. There just isn't any good TV programing anymore. The Networks seem to think people like to watch the bogus scripted so called Reality Shows, that is just not TV to me. When not watching movies, I am listening to music. I listen on average to 12 hours of music a day.

I think I have used Random Play a total of three times in my life. I like to listen to complete albums or pick a specific Genre to play. I also have built some huge playlists and sometimes just load up three or four of those in the Now Playing window and let it roll. Don't think I would select random play unless my Better Half's best friend Betty can't make up her mind what movie she wants to see on Saturday night (she doesn't like action movies or movies with any blood in them, we mainly watch Comedies when she comes over).

jrfuda
2009-04-20, 11:13
I would like to see:
a batterypack for Boom

a subwoofer for Boom, could be a "off the shelf" Logitech Z5, but sold seperately without the sattelites.

+1
Thought about these before myself. I actually thought the Boom was rechargable for several weeks after its release, until I did more digging and learned otherwise. I'm guessing that the battery would have to be huge, judging by the size of the transformer, the Boom has a pretty high current draw. Probably need a battery packalong the lines of a high-end gaming laptop, very expensive - almost as much as the Boom itself.

Defineately think a Boom-specifc sub, using one of Logitech's existing designes would be great.

NikolajC
2009-04-20, 12:07
I'm sorry if this has been stated before. But I'll buy two more booms right away if it came in white - including speaker grill.

funkstar
2009-04-20, 13:19
I think I have used Random Play a total of three times in my life. I like to listen to complete albums or pick a specific Genre to play. I also have built some huge playlists and sometimes just load up three or four of those in the Now Playing window and let it roll. Don't think I would select random play unless my Better Half's best friend Betty can't make up her mind what movie she wants to see on Saturday night (she doesn't like action movies or movies with any blood in them, we mainly watch Comedies when she comes over).
Random Albums in SC is great. Rediscovered some great things I'd forgotten about :)

slimfast
2009-04-21, 08:47
Very different: to the point I don't see a reason to bother with computer video storage.

How often do I watch a given movie? I wonder at myself sometimes as to why I buy movies instead of renting: renting is almost surely a better bargain...

How often would I have 'random play' or anything like it that would need good indexing and 'always online' availablility. Knowing roughly where the cd is seems to work pretty well.

Would I lose DVD navigation features? For some discs this would destroy them (say Icky Flix or the Commercial DVD by The Residents...).

I just don't see what computer-stored video gives you that a DVD doesn't... in fact, I see drawbacks when the menu structure is stripped out.

I've got a 1TB NAS which aside from holding about 50 gigs of mp3s for my music collection, is mostly filled up with video files that I watch through my PS3 or chipped Xbox(es) over the network. It's incredibly handy being able to remotely kick off a download and come home to have it ready on the NAS for watching. I use the Twonkyvision uPnP server that came with the NAS to serve the video.

It's also great to have entire series of TV shows available for viewing any time you like though I do have to admit it's not like any individual show gets watched repeatedly in a short space of time. I do like to keep archives of all my video though and having them on a large HDD (as opposed to dozens of optical discs) is perfect especially as in this configuration is gives me instant-access to any material.


However, I don't think we need a Squeezebox/Squeezecenter for video as existing uPnP servers are good enough for the task. The Squeezebox system excels for audio and isn't as readily adaptable for video.

Letten
2009-04-21, 09:27
If Logitech should decide to go for video as well, they would certainly buy an appropriate company like they did with slimdevices.

Regarding Iphone being a threat to logitech harmony, I don't think so. The main advantage of Harmony is the vast database of remote codes and easy internet programming.

In fact the software behind squeezebox may also turn out to be the main advantage, it's not easy to provide access to so many services and formats as squeezebox does.

It's all in the software. Hardware is not that difficult ;-)

gorman
2009-04-21, 09:54
Personally I would love for an Harmony product that uses a color display to interface with SqueezeCenter.

andynormancx
2009-04-21, 10:28
Reason being it is a personal solution. I have four people in my house. If I had an iPhone with iPeng software, it may very well be handy for me - it is not, however, handy for anyone else in the household, nor do I think I would be real comfortable passing it around at a party.

Easily solved, just buy an iPod Touch 8GB and leave that in the house as the remote for the household. Cheaper than a SBC and in my opinion better than the SBC, unless you need audio playback on the remote.

TheLastMan
2009-04-22, 06:31
I think some of the problem is that many of the third party devices won't be bought by many customers because they lack the Logitech branding or "seal of approval". You see a lot of queries such as "what is the best NAS?" or "what is the best router?" etc.

I think that SD could steal a leaf from Sonos's book (but using open not proprietary software) and produce their own NAS and wi-fi networking equipment. That way people unsure of setting up wi-fi networks or NAS devices could buy something that may not be "the best", but is at least good enough for SD / Logitech to put their name on and to back with their support systems.

This could be rebadged Netgear, Linksys (or whoever) stuff, maybe with cosmetic enhancements, a modified firmware and tweaked to maximise compatibility with other SD equipment. Prime candidates would be:

- SqueezeNas - hardware server pre-loaded with monster hard disk and the latest SqueezeCenter
- SqueezeNet - WAP or router designed to run Squeezeboxes on a dedicated wi-fi network.

I would be less concerned about a self-contained amplified Receiver. Most people are used to plugging new hardware into the Aux socket of an existing hi-fi.

However SD could produce a matching amp and/or speakers though. Maybe a T-amp and sensitive speakers or powered speakers. Many of us with wives understand the importance of good looking and matching equipment in garnering sales.

A rich but very tech un-savvy friend of mine bought Sonos not because of any technical superiority, but simply because he could buy it all from one place, it all looked cosmetically similar and it all worked together out of the box. He didn't need a server (he has no CDs - ex-wife has them all!) he just bought it for use with Napster.

He is very happy. When I told him the likely setup he would have needed to assemble for a SqueezeBox arrangement he was not enthusiastic - even though it would have saved him a thousand or two.

There are lots of people out there like him, and not all of them are rich enough to afford Sonos gear.

iPhone
2009-04-22, 13:00
I would like to see:

a batterypack for Boom, a subwoofer for Boom.



For all those that are wanting AM/FM and a Boom with batteries here it is!

Boom w/ battery (http://www.boomcooler.com/detailsspecs.html)

It even has wheels to make it easier to move around the house, since it weighs 77 pounds! The stereo imaging doesn't make sense to me with one speaker pointing outside left and the other outside right. I guess that's part of the Boom feature. Of course there is no Slim Devices NMP, but one can't have everything?!

jrfuda
2009-04-22, 13:27
For all those that are wanting AM/FM and a Boom with batteries here it is!

Boom w/ battery (http://www.boomcooler.com/detailsspecs.html)

Dude, that is too funny! They should have added another battery and some electric motors to make it self-propelled...

iPhone
2009-04-22, 14:46
Dude, that is too funny! They should have added another battery and some electric motors to make it self-propelled...

You're right, it also needs a pair of front wheels, a seat, and steering wheel! My self-propelled lawn mower weighs less then 77 pounds!

micah
2009-04-22, 21:29
If SD came out with an "official" iPhone/iTouch App (not that I have anything against iPeng) that could stream from SC and be Rhapsody-compliant, I'd be willing to make my first Apple purchase and be a very happy camper.

The Ibiza Rumble may fit this bill to some extent, but I'd prefer to stream through SC -- and there are a few Apps, like the daily NYT crossword, that I would enjoy playing with on the Apple product.

Yeah, it might kill the Duet sales, but I think it would open a much bigger market for SD. I work on a College campus - very rarely do I meet someone who knows what a Squeezebox is and very rarely do I see a college kid who is NOT walking around with a iPod.

ymilner
2009-04-22, 23:07
Personally I would love for an Harmony product that uses a color display to interface with SqueezeCenter.

+1
I hate the idea to buy a Harmony remote to replace every other remote BUT the controller. I'd really want to have harmony AND controller to be integrated into one smart remote unit.

Chunkywizard
2009-04-23, 01:45
If SD came out with an "official" iPhone/iTouch App (not that I have anything against iPeng) that could stream from SC and be Rhapsody-compliant, I'd be willing to make my first Apple purchase and be a very happy camper.
It would make sense, rather than starting from scratch, if Logitech bought out Pippin's iPeng and then put a Logitech look and feel on it. That way they could get to market much quicker. I think the ony thing missing from iPeng is a bit of polish on the UI and Logitech could easily do this.

CW

elziko
2009-04-23, 03:23
If SD came out with an "official" iPhone/iTouch App

It's not official, yet, but someone has built the SqueezePlay software for Windows Mobile:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61925

I have compiled it form source and it does work but needs improving.

I have hopes that one day this will work well and become of SD's standard releases.

elziko
2009-04-23, 04:00
I'd like a SqueezeFrame - a digital photo frame controlled by SqueezeCenter.

A 10"+ screen, high res, and good colour depth.

Wi-Fi networking.

Connects to SC which will send a slideshow to the frame and will also overlay now playing info from a selected player.

tipsen
2009-04-30, 04:35
I have a Boom and a Classic and would like to see an upgraded version of the Classic with a large OLED color display. It's sometimes a bit difficult to see the display on the Classic at 5m distance and I don't see any reason why a display couldn't fill out the whole front of the box - then the box didn't have to be bigger than the Classic.

arztde
2009-05-09, 10:04
It's not official, yet, but someone has built the SqueezePlay software for Windows Mobile:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61925

I have compiled it form source and it does work but needs improving.

I have hopes that one day this will work well and become of SD's standard releases.

Maybee you like to compare it with this free beginning of the Windows Mobile Version what is in the beginning of developement without any problems and works fine. I did try also to get a remote access to use windows mobile at my htc touch diamond or my NMT PCH A110 without success at now.

If someone knows a solution please drop me a private message because in usual i run not the english forums for language deficits.
Registration key is free of charge.

http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl/slimcontrol.shtml

elziko
2009-05-10, 02:30
Maybee you like to compare it with this free beginning of the Windows Mobile Version what is in the beginning of developement without any problems and works fine. I did try also to get a remote access to use windows mobile at my htc touch diamond or my NMT PCH A110 without success at now.

If someone knows a solution please drop me a private message because in usual i run not the english forums for language deficits.
Registration key is free of charge.

http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl/slimcontrol.shtml

I'm keeping an eye on that project too. However, a fully working port of SqueezePlay would be far better since it would also include audio playback. Also as features are added to SqueezePlay as time goes on they would also be included in the Windows Mobile version.

BlueScreenJunky
2009-05-10, 09:03
I have a Boom and a Classic and would like to see an upgraded version of the Classic with a large OLED color display. It's sometimes a bit difficult to see the display on the Classic at 5m distance and I don't see any reason why a display couldn't fill out the whole front of the box - then the box didn't have to be bigger than the Classic.

Well I'm not sure OLED would be that useful, but the screen could definitely be a bit bigger : the 2 lines display is unusable from a distance, so a screen that would display 2 lines the size of the current 1 line display (does that make any sense ? lol) would be perfect.
Also, an update classic could include the little extras from the Boom : Keep track of time and display a clock even if not connected to a server, have a DSP to adjust balance/bass/treble, and Auto Uplink on the RJ45 port.

Pneumonic
2009-05-14, 09:03
I'd love to see a SD produced, wall wart computer solution that is fine tuned to run SC without any troubles and which you can buy for under $100. Something like those Sheeva Plug platforms that run Linux.

erland
2009-05-14, 09:38
It would make sense, rather than starting from scratch, if Logitech bought out Pippin's iPeng and then put a Logitech look and feel on it. That way they could get to market much quicker. I think the ony thing missing from iPeng is a bit of polish on the UI and Logitech could easily do this.

I'm pretty sure iPeng will have a better future in the hands of pippin compared to Logitech. As long as pippin keeps enhancing it with the speed he currently does there is no reason what so ever for Logitech to jump in. Remember that Logitech earns their money on the hardware not the software, so there is no reason for them to take over software which already is maintained and works good. The situation might have been a bit differently if iPeng executed on Logitech hardware instead of Apple hardware.

If there is something you don't like with iPeng, make sure you let pippin know.

pippin
2009-05-14, 10:30
It would make sense, rather than starting from scratch, if Logitech bought out Pippin's iPeng and then put a Logitech look and feel on it. That way they could get to market much quicker. I think the ony thing missing from iPeng is a bit of polish on the UI and Logitech could easily do this.


You mean you would prefer it to be green?

Sike
2009-05-15, 02:24
You mean you would prefer it to be green?

;)

Nice one! I think Pippin is doing a GREAT job. Every time an update pops up in the App Store i am surprized at how much faster the App becomes. Good Stuff!

dekaliber
2009-05-15, 21:17
I have always wished SD would get into the portable player business -- something that combines the handsome industrial design of their products with an open-source backend. Give it at least 120 gigs, FLAC support, a decent DAC, the ability to add music to it wirelessly, and some sort of digital out to integrate into a hi-fi system easily. Give it a feature set that caters to audiophiles and I bet there would be takers even if it were $100 more than a comparable iPod.

elziko
2009-05-16, 00:42
I have always wished SD would get into the portable player business

Apparently the SBC can technically do playback from an SD card. I'm not sure what size restrictions the SBC has WRT to SD card but 64Gb cards probably aren't too far away.

Obviously not as good as a player designed from scratch but it will still be good if someone gets round to implementing it.

boxowl
2009-05-16, 01:10
I would like to see a SB classic with a color display, that when playing shows the cover and title, album name etc. Something that looks like those digital picture frames.

Kuben72
2009-05-16, 15:15
I would like to see a SB classic with a color display, that when playing shows the cover and title, album name etc. Something that looks like those digital picture frames.

I'll second that.

funkstar
2009-05-17, 06:25
Apparently the SBC can technically do playback from an SD card. I'm not sure what size restrictions the SBC has WRT to SD card but 64Gb cards probably aren't too far away.

Obviously not as good as a player designed from scratch but it will still be good if someone gets round to implementing it.

Yup, technically possible (in case anyone didn't realise, there is an SD card slot behind the battery), but not even scheduled as a feature. Lets get streaming playback sorted first :)

As for capacities, although technically SDHC can handle up to 2TB, but is limited to 32GB. SDXC can handle up to 2TB though. As the card reader in the Controller is handled in software it might be possible to make it SDXC compatible in the future, on itnitial release to the beta testers, the Controller could only handle up to 1GB, so updates are possible.

For far more information that you need:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC