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chris.mason
2009-04-15, 09:55
Hmm, wasn't sure how to phrase the question for the thread...but this is what I mean:

I am now the proud owner of a Boom. Its used a bedside clock/radio, and it is very effective.

Pretty much all the time it displays the time (using the Date/Time screensaver). I like the 12hr format, so it shows AM and PM...what I would like is for AM and PM to appear in lower case. Just seems more friendly somehow :-)

Is that possible? I can't see a way of setting that through SC.

mooblie
2009-04-15, 10:51
You might have found if not a bug, then an inconsistency between SqueezeCenter and SqueezeNetwork, Chris.

On SqueezeNetwork, the time displays as "6:50 pm" - i.e. lower case "pm", but SC doesn't seem to do that, insisting on upper case.

chris.mason
2009-04-15, 11:16
Yeah, I just noticed that.

If someone could figure out how to fix that, I'd be very pleased!

Chris.

aubuti
2009-04-15, 11:41
You might have found if not a bug, then an inconsistency between SqueezeCenter and SqueezeNetwork, Chris.

On SqueezeNetwork, the time displays as "6:50 pm" - i.e. lower case "pm", but SC doesn't seem to do that, insisting on upper case.
Although I also generally have an aesthetic preference lowercase am/pm, I do like the fact that I can look at a switched off SB and know immediately whether it is connected to SC or SN. So it's not necessarily an "inconsistency" if it is relaying useful information about the state of the SB. The Boom even takes it a step further, telling you when it is not connected to either SC or SN. In that case the Boom's real time clock displays uppercase AM/PM, and also lights up its front panel buttons.

These SB "signals" actually saved me a lot of running up and down the stairs when I was sorting out problems getting my SC server to automatically suspend to SN using the SrvrPowerCtrl plugin. Now it serves as an easy confirmation that the plugin and the server are doing what they are supposed to do.

peterw
2009-04-15, 11:45
You might have found if not a bug, then an inconsistency between SqueezeCenter and SqueezeNetwork, Chris.

On SqueezeNetwork, the time displays as "6:50 pm" - i.e. lower case "pm", but SC doesn't seem to do that, insisting on upper case.

I always figured that was a feature. It's an easy way for the observant user to determine whether the Squeezebox is on SN or a local server.

If you're using Mac OS or Linux/Unix, you can edit a .pm file (Slim/Utils/DateTime.pm) to add a lowercase time format. On Windows you'd need to switch to ActiveState's interpreter or rebuild, I think.

toby10
2009-04-15, 14:37
You might have found if not a bug, then an inconsistency between SqueezeCenter and SqueezeNetwork, Chris.

On SqueezeNetwork, the time displays as "6:50 pm" - i.e. lower case "pm", but SC doesn't seem to do that, insisting on upper case.

....and I think the large AM/PM makes reading the time at a glance more difficult. This was brought up before and there was no resolution for it.

I don't use the Boom or SB3 for clock display but everytime I disconnect the Boom from the router I see the time displayed.....and I always think to myself "boy, I'm glad I don't need to read THAT when I wake up". :)

MeSue
2009-04-15, 14:52
Hmm, wasn't sure how to phrase the question for the thread...but this is what I mean:

I am now the proud owner of a Boom. Its used a bedside clock/radio, and it is very effective.

Pretty much all the time it displays the time (using the Date/Time screensaver). I like the 12hr format, so it shows AM and PM...what I would like is for AM and PM to appear in lower case. Just seems more friendly somehow :-)

Is that possible? I can't see a way of setting that through SC.
The case for upper and lower case has already been explained in this thread. I just thought I would mention that there is an option to leave the AM/PM off entirely. It's in the date format settings.

andyg
2009-04-15, 14:53
It's a feature, not a bug. :)

chris.mason
2009-04-16, 01:49
Although I also generally have an aesthetic preference lowercase am/pm, I do like the fact that I can look at a switched off SB and know immediately whether it is connected to SC or SN. So it's not necessarily an "inconsistency" if it is relaying useful information about the state of the SB. The Boom even takes it a step further, telling you when it is not connected to either SC or SN. In that case the Boom's real time clock displays uppercase AM/PM, and also lights up its front panel buttons.

These SB "signals" actually saved me a lot of running up and down the stairs when I was sorting out problems getting my SC server to automatically suspend to SN using the SrvrPowerCtrl plugin. Now it serves as an easy confirmation that the plugin and the server are doing what they are supposed to do.

I see what you're saying, but it isn't something that I like! I pretty much know when my SB3/Boom are connected to SN. I use SvrPowerControl (great plugin) to switch off SC at night, and switch over my SB3 and Boom to SN. Then at 6.30 the server restarts and reconnects those devices. Works very well.


I always figured that was a feature. It's an easy way for the observant user to determine whether the Squeezebox is on SN or a local server.

If you're using Mac OS or Linux/Unix, you can edit a .pm file (Slim/Utils/DateTime.pm) to add a lowercase time format. On Windows you'd need to switch to ActiveState's interpreter or rebuild, I think.

Thanks for that tip - I did wonder if it was as simple as that. Of course, it will get over written on SC upgrade, hence it would be good to have the addition in the distribution.


....and I think the large AM/PM makes reading the time at a glance more difficult. This was brought up before and there was no resolution for it.

I don't use the Boom or SB3 for clock display but everytime I disconnect the Boom from the router I see the time displayed.....and I always think to myself "boy, I'm glad I don't need to read THAT when I wake up". :)

I completely agree! I find the upper case AM/PM does make it harder to read. Sounds odd, but its tree. I guess it is a matter of personal taste. That is one of the strengths of SC/SB3/Boom etc - you can configure it to be "just right" for you.


The case for upper and lower case has already been explained in this thread. I just thought I would mention that there is an option to leave the AM/PM off entirely. It's in the date format settings.

Thanks for the tip - I did try that, but I like having am/pm there.


It's a feature, not a bug. :)

Hmmmm, sounds like the kind of thing I say to our customers at work! As a feature it is missing the ability to configure it!

funkstar
2009-04-16, 05:39
Hmmmm, sounds like the kind of thing I say to our customers at work! As a feature it is missing the ability to configure it!
You could raise an enhancement request on http://bugs.slimdevices.com

Not saying it's going to get done, but worth raising it anyway :)

andyg
2009-04-16, 06:10
If you provide a patch for additional time format strings, it's more likely to get changed.

toby10
2009-04-16, 08:36
You could raise an enhancement request on http://bugs.slimdevices.com

Not saying it's going to get done, but worth raising it anyway :)

Again, I don't use the clock on any SD device, but based on my personal preferences and hearing others ideas, my suggestions would be to add the following options to the SC time display:

- move AM/PM a couple spaces away from the displayed time
- offer AM/PM in lower case
- offer a small "bullet" for PM

If I did use SD players for a clock I'd surely choose no AM/PM displayed (which is currently available). I have too many digital clocks in the house as it is (three in the kitchen alone, built into appliances) and not one even has an option for AM/PM.

My philosophy: If I see 9:00 displayed on a clock and I do not know if it is AM or PM then I have a lot more serious issues than being late for an appointment. :)

chris.mason
2009-04-16, 09:43
My philosophy: If I see 9:00 displayed on a clock and I do not know if it is AM or PM then I have a lot more serious issues than being late for an appointment. :)

Believe me there are times when I really don't know if it is AM or PM..;-)

toby10
2009-04-16, 12:04
Believe me there are times when I really don't know if it is AM or PM..;-)

Ha! :)

Sounds like you would be fun to party with! :)

chris.mason
2009-04-20, 07:19
Ha! :)

Sounds like you would be fun to party with! :)

Sounds like it, doesn't it? heh.