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Eric Carroll
2009-04-01, 10:00
Ok, the next product I want from Logitech streaming media division formerly known as SlimDevices is...

SqueezeVideo.

Ethernet/Wireless in.
HDMI 1.3 video out.
- component/svideo analog video out?
SPDIF/2ch analog audio out
- maybe 5.1 analog out?
High Bit Rate codec passthrough on HDMI
Good DAC if analog audio outs.

Use the latest Sigma Designs SoC that does all latest formats including H.264

Tight integration with SqueezeCenter. NO BUILT-IN GUI on the box!!! Let the Squeeze Remote do the job of running the GUI and SqueezeCenter generate it. Also permit SqueezeCenter GUI to display via SqueezeVideo.

Its sole function is to select files and play them. Let someone else do the recording just like Squeezeboxen let other systems ready the content.

And, MOST IMPORTANTLY, API to allow PVRs or any other software to integrate to it for driving playback via IP interface just like on Squeezebox.

For reasons I can't fathom all the current video players coming out are all monolithic GUI/Players with no API for integration. I appreciate that Sigma wants its driver code kept proprietary, but there is no reason not to build an IP interface to permit commands to be given to the block of code doing the playback.

I will even volunteer to help on SqueezeCenter to get this going...

Sigma Designs even has a prototype board (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/Products/SMP8630/pdf_files/MCX-8634_br.pdf) to base this on...

agillis
2009-04-01, 11:39
I use XBMC running under linux. It does everything you listed and it has a fully open API.

boxowl
2009-04-01, 11:47
Please, Please no video. Keep on improving audio.

iPhone
2009-04-01, 12:04
Please, Please no video. Keep on improving audio.

Personally, I think Squeezebox will keep pushing the Audio Envelope. Now for the BUT, I also think that since it's part of the Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit (SMBU) that video is coming someplace down the line. Yes Video is a different animal, but why hand it to a new group without any streaming experience when it could be handed to the Slim Devices guys and a few new key video people brought in.

Just my thoughts and opinions on the subject, meaning Logitech will most likely do something completely different!

funkstar
2009-04-01, 13:38
Personally, I think Squeezebox will keep pushing the Audio Envelope. Now for the BUT, I also think that since it's part of the Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit (SMBU) that video is coming someplace down the line. Yes Video is a different animal, but why hand it to a new group without any streaming experience when it could be handed to the Slim Devices guys and a few new key video people brought in.

Just my thoughts and opinions on the subject, meaning Logitech will most likely do something completely different!

It would also make a lot of sense for Logitech to buy a company that already does video streaming and roll that into the SMBU as well.

As far as I can tell, all the non-core Logitech devisions (i.e. not keyboards, mice and web cams) have been bought in. SlimDevices, Harmony and Ultimate Ears. Everything else is pretty run of the mill.

signor_rossi
2009-04-01, 14:07
I use XBMC running under linux. It does everything you listed and it has a fully open API.

Would the Acer Hornet (hopefully not a joke) and the EEE Box 206 be suitable hardware devices for that?

tamanaco
2009-04-01, 14:17
It would also make a lot of sense for Logitech to buy a company that already does video streaming and roll that into the SMBU as well.

Vudu "could" be a good candidate for acquisition... They have the box with best video quality for streamed VOD (HDX), they have a nice UI, they are about to release a development environment to expand Vudu Labs and "might" be in need of some cash. Oh, ahd I already own one their boxes.

Btw, they also support, YouTube, Picasa, Flickr and recently added Pandora support which allows multiple accounts from one box.

gorman
2009-04-04, 07:04
Would the Acer Hornet (hopefully not a joke) and the EEE Box 206 be suitable hardware devices for that?The former under Linux (using VDPAU for video decoding), the latter not so much, as DXVA decoding is not supported and VDPAU works only for Nvidia.

signor_rossi
2009-04-04, 07:26
The former under Linux (using VDPAU for video decoding), the latter not so much, as DXVA decoding is not supported and VDPAU works only for Nvidia.

Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind (the EEE 206 is too expensive anyway). Building a video box (at a reasonable price) will be my next project after I have the audio setup sorted out at my home (old thin client server, SB3 for my mom, and Duet and now Boom for me).

SignorRossi.

peter
2009-04-04, 08:59
tamanaco wrote:
> funkstar;412216 Wrote:
>
>> It would also make a lot of sense for Logitech to buy a company that
>> already does video streaming and roll that into the SMBU as well.
>>
>
> Vudu "could" be a good candidate for acquisition... They have the box
> with best video quality for streamed VOD (HDX), they have a nice UI,
> they are about to release a development environment to expand Vudu Labs
> and "might" be in need of some cash. Oh, ahd I already own one their
> boxes.
>
> Btw, they also support, YouTube, Picasa, Flickr and recently added
> Pandora support which allows multiple accounts from one box.
>

Lot of sense in this subthread. I currently own a NMT/HDX-1000. I'm
pretty pleased with it but it doesn't integrate well. Such a box with a
squeezeclient built in would be great to have. I figure Logitech will
buy one down the line. Or just license the Networked Media Tank software
and add a squeezeclient to it.

Regards,
Peter

Pale Blue Ego
2009-04-10, 07:23
Please, Please no video. Keep on improving audio.

Audio streaming is mature technology. Slim largely solved it with the SB2/SB3 and everything since then is an enhancement of that technology. Tell me, what new HARDWARE features are you clamoring for that would make you want to replace your current SB3/Duet/Boom with another Squeezebox audio-only player? I'm pretty darn happy with my FIVE Squeezeboxes and unwilling to spend $2000 on a Transporter. So, even though I'm an extremely loyal Squeeze fan, there's nothing for me to buy.

Ignoring video will eventually kill the Squeezebox. The current family of Networked Media Tanks costs LESS than the Squeezebox and includes playback of many audio, video, and graphics formats including hi-def video with multichannel audio.

The NMTs also offer some things Squeezebox fans have wanted for a LONG time, like local storage - you can stick a 1TB hard drive in one of these and take your whole library with you. NMTs do not require server software, they can discover and index media files anywhere on the LAN. Finally, they provide big-screen display of tag information and album art.

We're entering a new era of networked media playback. The next gen of Blu-ray players and flat-screen TVs will include playback of audio and video from anywhere on the LAN or the internet. Many of the current Squeezebox features will be built in to commodity components.

I myself have postponed a NMT purchase because I'm hoping Squeeze will soon enter this market. But I can't wait any longer as I have hundreds of movies, homemade video projects, and TV episodes already loaded on my server and the family is clamoring for a way to stream them to the home theater. Flipping discs is getting old, and I have no way to play on the big screen the many hi-def videos I have captured or created.

I sure wish it was a SqueezeVideo I was ordering today. Instead it's going to be the $219 HDX 1000. Sorry, Logitech.

gorman
2009-04-12, 10:57
The ***next gen*** of Blu-ray players and flat-screen TVs will include playback of audio and video from anywhere on the LAN or the internet.Make that current gen... in any case, even though I have a fully loaded HTPC, I would never abandon the Squeezebox functionality. Nice display, no need for the TV to be on, awesome synchronization in multiroom environments.

ymilner
2009-04-14, 07:39
Look at SageTV line of products. The philosophy is very similar to that of Slim (server to stream, client to do the playing). They have hardware client and software client. Transcoding of video takes place when the format is not supported by the client (older MVP boxes) or the client is connected over internet.
The server software is expandable; there are many plug-ins (STVs).
And, besides media server functionality, it is actually PVR too (it was PVR from the beginning).
I would love to see the two (Logitech/SageTV) to create a common product!

radish
2009-04-14, 17:59
I myself have postponed a NMT purchase because I'm hoping Squeeze will soon enter this market. But I can't wait any longer as I have hundreds of movies, homemade video projects, and TV episodes already loaded on my server and the family is clamoring for a way to stream them to the home theater.

You don't already have a Tivo, PS3 or Xbox? As you mention video streaming is pretty common functionality these days. I haven't ever bought anything for that purpose but regardless have a house full of devices which do it.

Nonreality
2009-04-14, 18:54
Audio streaming is mature technology. Slim largely solved it with the SB2/SB3 and everything since then is an enhancement of that technology. Tell me, what new HARDWARE features are you clamoring for that would make you want to replace your current SB3/Duet/Boom with another Squeezebox audio-only player? I'm pretty darn happy with my FIVE Squeezeboxes and unwilling to spend $2000 on a Transporter. So, even though I'm an extremely loyal Squeeze fan, there's nothing for me to buy.

Ignoring video will eventually kill the Squeezebox. The current family of Networked Media Tanks costs LESS than the Squeezebox and includes playback of many audio, video, and graphics formats including hi-def video with multichannel audio.

The NMTs also offer some things Squeezebox fans have wanted for a LONG time, like local storage - you can stick a 1TB hard drive in one of these and take your whole library with you. NMTs do not require server software, they can discover and index media files anywhere on the LAN. Finally, they provide big-screen display of tag information and album art.

We're entering a new era of networked media playback. The next gen of Blu-ray players and flat-screen TVs will include playback of audio and video from anywhere on the LAN or the internet. Many of the current Squeezebox features will be built in to commodity components.

I myself have postponed a NMT purchase because I'm hoping Squeeze will soon enter this market. But I can't wait any longer as I have hundreds of movies, homemade video projects, and TV episodes already loaded on my server and the family is clamoring for a way to stream them to the home theater. Flipping discs is getting old, and I have no way to play on the big screen the many hi-def videos I have captured or created.

I sure wish it was a SqueezeVideo I was ordering today. Instead it's going to be the $219 HDX 1000. Sorry, Logitech.

This sounds very interesting. I'll need a full review if you get one. :) I don't really think that it would replace my SB3 as I like the simple and quick elegance of it. I think they would go side by side and I do have one hdmi port left on my receiver ( 2 if I get rid of my dvd player). Thanks for pointing this out, I had never heard of it.
NR

Nonreality
2009-04-14, 18:56
You don't already have a Tivo, PS3 or Xbox? As you mention video streaming is pretty common functionality these days. I haven't ever bought anything for that purpose but regardless have a house full of devices which do it.
Most I've tried are ok but not like popping in a dvd. I'm hoping this would be just point and play. In other word's simple. I read a review just now that said the picture was equal to a dvd player. Full 1080p and Blue Ray if you can rip it.

hoosier
2009-04-14, 19:34
I have noted this before in other posts, I am a strong believer in the TViX player. Just like I think the SB is the greatest thing in audio, the TViX is great for video. You can do full Blu-Ray quality 1080P playback on the 6500 (sigma 8635) and you can do fairly decent h264 playback on the 4100 (sigma 8623 - but has been discontinued). It will play an ISO file just like you put a DVD in a player (they call it DVD Jukebox). The 6500 currently can't handle BluRay menu structure - it can only play the files if you rip them.

The OP makes some good points. All of the media players available have horrible GUIs (except XBMC - but it can't do 1080P). It would be fantastic to have a hook into the interface. It shouldn't be a big deal as I think the players could easily be open source. The TViX is based on a Linux kernel, and the code is available at the company site - so it is actually open source. I just don't think there are too many developers working on it though.

I really think a critical mass is building for streaming video players as I am accumulating a lot of AVCHD files from my HiDef camcorder, and not every video player can handle AVCHD (my TVIX 4100 has no problems). People are going to want to stream their home movies, and in my opinion that is the driver that will push this technology to the mainstream like the SB.

I can't help but wonder what nvida's ION will do in this area.

signor_rossi
2009-04-15, 09:55
I can't help but wonder what nvida's ION will do in this area.

The Acer Aspire Revo should be available in 4 weeks in Europe from now, we will see then... ;)

Metazargo
2010-05-28, 05:24
I don't expect that Squeezebox Server is able to handle video itself, not yet.

There are nice video streamer out there with HDMI, DVD/BlueRay, playing videos from USB and network share, plus play audio form UPnP/DLNA.

And that's the point, when I have my Squeezebox Server running I don't want to deploy also UPnP (i.e. Twonkey Media Server), but rather use the existing Slimserver.

Where is the ultimate Squeezebox player embedded in a Video Streamer, DVD BlueRay would be a plus ;-)

chenrikson
2010-05-28, 14:25
I wonder if Google TV will serve some of these functions? (And, no, I really haven't gone through all the relevant specs!)