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swayzak
2009-03-18, 02:46
Hi

I never really considered this whilst accumulating my Duet & 2 Booms.

But what would happen if Logitech / Squeezebox went bust & disappeared ?

Would we be left with bits of silent hi-tech furniture ?

I guess SC would still work so you could still access music this way - but if SN ceased to exist then PCless music would go as well wouldn't it ?

Something to be said for a good old fashioned hifi ...

kesey
2009-03-18, 03:06
Well, there are plenty of radio stations out there. You can access them directly over the net.

I got my Squeezebox, Duet etc to allow me to store my CDs etc on hard disk, so that I could access & play them back via my home network. Squeezenetwork did not come into it.

Keep smiling, The Squeezebox does the business.

bonze
2009-03-18, 03:12
How much does SqueezeCentre rely upon SqueezeNetwork to function?

Is it only the 'Music Services' ?

swayzak
2009-03-18, 03:15
Well, there are plenty of radio stations out there. You can access them directly over the net.

Even if SN disappeared ?

I use MP3Locker for my music collection so that I don't have to turn the PC on at all & use SN for everything.

If SN went, then the only way to access radio stations would be via SC wouldn't it ?

swayzak
2009-03-18, 03:17
How much does SqueezeCentre rely upon SqueezeNetwork to function?

Is it only the 'Music Services' ?

Good point.

Maybe some helpful Logitech employee could chime in here (and reassure me !) ...

slimpy
2009-03-18, 03:35
All SB players need to be connected to some server.
This can either be your local SqueezeCenter or SqueezeNetwork (which is a customized version of SC, more or less).
If SN ceased to exist you would have to run SC locally.

SC is open source so development would still be possible.
The SB firmware however isn't open. Unless Logitech would release the source or someone reverse-engineered the firmware we would be stuck with whatever is available at the time.

-s.

swayzak
2009-03-18, 03:38
All SB players need to be connected to some server.
This can either be your local SqueezeCenter or SqueezeNetwork (which is a customized version of SC, more or less).
If SN ceased to exist you would have to run SC locally.

SC is open source so development would still be possible.
The SB firmware however isn't open. Unless Logitech would release the source or someone reverse-engineered the firmware we would be stuck with whatever is available at the time.

-s.

OK

So simply:

Logitech/SB development present = SN or SC
Logitech/SB development gone = SC only (=local PC / server required)

toby10
2009-03-18, 03:39
Even if SN disappeared ?

I use MP3Locker for my music collection so that I don't have to turn the PC on at all & use SN for everything.

If SN went, then the only way to access radio stations would be via SC wouldn't it ?

If you remove your SN login info from SC you still have access to much of the content in your Internet Radio menu. What I don't know is if these still go out to SN anonymously or if they are direct streams. Obviously, without a subscription management tool like on SN, anything requiring unique login info will not work on SC.

But you can Cut & Paste any standard station URL from any outside source into your SC Favorites, assuming the stream is in a native SB player format.

This isn't how SC/SB's work, but just as an example: My Yamaha AVR has Internet Radio but the AVR only connects to the online Yamaha Music Server, period. Whether you select a station from the menu's (all delivered by vTuner) or add your own URL, it all goes through the Yamaha Music Server.

Goodsounds
2009-03-18, 09:04
Before you whip yourself and others into a frenzy, check out the information that shows that this proposition is nonsense. At least, for now.

Logitech is a public company and its results are released quarterly. For the 9 months ending December 2008, income after tax was $142 million. Sales and income were down for the quarter compared to the year before, but that's true of most companies.

Shareholders equity exceeds $1 billion. Sure, it's possible for any company to have future writeoffs, restructurings, downturns in the business, etc to erode equity. I'd guess that many other companies would love to be in the relatively strong financial position that Logitech has right now.

Also in this context, it is likely fair to assume that the Streaming Media unit is a very small part of the total entity. Probably even immaterial from an operating results perspective.

peter
2009-03-18, 09:20
swayzak wrote:
> Hi
>
> I never really considered this whilst accumulating my Duet & 2 Booms.
>
> But what would happen if Logitech / Squeezebox went bust & disappeared
> ?
>
> Would we be left with bits of silent hi-tech furniture ?
>
> I guess SC would still work so you could still access music this way -
> but if SN ceased to exist then PCless music would go as well wouldn't
> it ?
>
> Something to be said for a good old fashioned hifi ...

I *never* use SN, so there seems to be a place for SC-only SB's doesn't
there?

Regards,
Peter

jo-wie
2009-03-18, 09:20
Also in this context, it is likely fair to assume that the Streaming Media unit is a very small part of the total entity. Probably even immaterial from an operating results perspective.

As bigger as easier to get rid of uneconomic parts.

But one part of my decision for the Squeezebox was because it uses open source software which is running on a local system. Loss of services would be painful but I guess we would still have many possibilities open due to the the great support of the community.

Edit: And hey, it's a growing market and a great product.

aubuti
2009-03-18, 09:52
Even if SN disappeared ?

I use MP3Locker for my music collection so that I don't have to turn the PC on at all & use SN for everything.

If SN went, then the only way to access radio stations would be via SC wouldn't it ?
From my experiences with the two companies -- very limited with MP3Tunes and fairly extensive with SD/Logitech -- I'd be much more concerned about MP3Tunes going belly up than Logitech....

swayzak
2009-03-18, 09:54
swayzak wrote:
> Hi
>
> I never really considered this whilst accumulating my Duet & 2 Booms.
>
> But what would happen if Logitech / Squeezebox went bust & disappeared
> ?
>
> Would we be left with bits of silent hi-tech furniture ?
>
> I guess SC would still work so you could still access music this way -
> but if SN ceased to exist then PCless music would go as well wouldn't
> it ?
>
> Something to be said for a good old fashioned hifi ...

I *never* use SN, so there seems to be a place for SC-only SB's doesn't
there?

Regards,
Peter

Yes - as I said, you could obviously still use these devices on your local network via SC.

But I'm the opposite - I've managed to go "completely SN" so that I can just come in from work, put my network players on, kick my shoes off and listen to my 180GB music collection (or any other SN service).

No need for me to put my PC on ;=)

I would miss this - it's what makes the Squeezebox so revolutionary for me.

swayzak
2009-03-18, 09:56
From my experiences with the two companies -- very limited with MP3Tunes and fairly extensive with SD/Logitech -- I'd be much more concerned about MP3Tunes going belly up than Logitech....

Worryingly I rather agree with you.

So I'm making hay with MP3Tunes whilst it's sun shines (works very well for me at the moment) ... ;)

peter
2009-03-18, 11:12
swayzak wrote:
> peter;407800 Wrote:
>
>> swayzak wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I never really considered this whilst accumulating my Duet & 2
>>>
>> Booms.
>>
>>> But what would happen if Logitech / Squeezebox went bust &
>>>
>> disappeared
>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Would we be left with bits of silent hi-tech furniture ?
>>>
>>> I guess SC would still work so you could still access music this way
>>>
>> -
>>
>>> but if SN ceased to exist then PCless music would go as well
>>>
>> wouldn't
>>
>>> it ?
>>>
>>> Something to be said for a good old fashioned hifi ...
>>>
>> I *never* use SN, so there seems to be a place for SC-only SB's doesn't
>>
>> there?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter
>>
>
> Yes - as I said, you could obviously still use these devices on your
> local network via SC.
>
> But I'm the opposite - I've managed to go "completely SN" so that I can
> just come in from work, put my network players on & kick my shoes off.
>
> No need for me to put my PC on ;=)
>

No need for me to turn my server off.
> I would miss this - it's what makes the Squeezebox so revolutionary for
> me.

The revolution is in always-on services. You prefer to use someone
else's, I'd rather use my own. I've had my own Linux server running for
about 15 years now. Must've killed a few penguins ;)

Regards,
Peter

swayzak
2009-03-19, 02:08
Worryingly I rather agree with you.

So I'm making hay with MP3Tunes whilst it's sun shines (works very well for me at the moment) ... ;)

Actually maybe Logitech should take over MP3Tunes ... the perfect solution ?

sander
2009-03-19, 12:56
Actually maybe Logitech should take over MP3Tunes ... the perfect solution ?

I'd rather they look into MusicIP, since that's the real value-add for me.

Actually I thought about this very issue, before I jumped in all the way to the Squeeze universe. I really wanted it to work with UPNP, but eventually moved over to all Squeeze devices and I haven't looked back.

I was less concerned about it in the Slimserver 6.x days since you didn't need a squeezecenter login just to run it like you do now, and most my devices are dependent on the 7.2 or newer.

Has anyone run Squeezecenter on a machine that has no public net access for a while?

radish
2009-03-19, 13:26
I was less concerned about it in the Slimserver 6.x days since you didn't need a squeezecenter login just to run it like you do now, and most my devices are dependent on the 7.2 or newer.

I assume you mean SqueezeNetwork, and no you don't need a SN login to run SC. It's only needed for services (such as Pandora, Rhapsody, etc) which are provided by SN.

ModelCitizen
2009-03-19, 13:41
My main concern is that I'd be able to continue to use the hardware and software to access my local files, internet radio and last.fm services..

As things stand at the moment that would appear possible even if Logitec went "tits up".

SqueezeNetwork means very little to me.... if it didn't I be more worried....

MC

iPhone
2009-03-19, 13:58
Has anyone run Squeezecenter on a machine that has no public net access for a while?

Yes. I have a Ubuntu Server that runs SC 7.3.2 that only feeds my Transporter. There is no router, no Cable Modem, no Wifi, just a CAT5 cable from the Ethernet port on the Server to the Transporter.

It is used in my main system only. I help out with the Beta SC Software Testing and run my other Squeezeboxes off my SC 7.4.x Beta Windows XP box which is part of my WiFi Network.

toby10
2009-03-19, 14:24
I assume you mean SqueezeNetwork, and no you don't need a SN login to run SC. It's only needed for services (such as Pandora, Rhapsody, etc) which are provided by SN.

SN is required for use of Live365, ShoutCast, and RadioIO from the SC7 menus as well.
Though I suppose those are a form of "services" also.

RadioIO is available via SC7 menus without a SN account but only via Music > Internet Only > RadioIO, however these are all only 64k feeds. The SC7 RadioIO menu item itself (SN required) is all the 128k feeds.

All ShoutCast and 128k RadioIO feeds will work fine if you Cut & Paste the URL's from an outside source, you just can't access them from the main SC7 menu structure without a SN account.