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geebea
2009-02-18, 17:03
Hi all

So... it has been discussed in a number of threads that the Lastfm functionality in Squeezecentre doesn't allow the user to play a specific track by a specific artist. We can only assume that this is due to licensing restrictions. Perhaps this will follow in time.
Also, similarly, it doesn't appear to be possible to control your Squeezebox directly from the Lastfm website for instance. Once again this must be due to similar restrictions.

My question is, how about if I am willing to pay and subscribe to a service that allows me to play specific artist and track on demand through my Squeezebox, does a service like this exist?

I have researched this in depth over the last 6 months or so and so far I have been unable to identify a reasonable solution.

Funnily enough, when I demonstrate the system to friends, the first thing they want to do is find their favorite artist and track and I have to say well... erm... I can play you similar artists but not the specific song you want to hear. They always say nah! it's alright.

Don't get me wrong the my radio style solution suits me great but you have to be able to spend time evolving your radio station and mine now sounds great for me but when my dad comes around he wants to listen to reggae and ska artists and they are not really what i listen to.

Obviously there is a possible work around using the feedback loop approach and playing my PC soundcard directly through the Squeezebox. This way I just play tracks from the Lastfm website, but there is a bit of a delay and it is not really an integrated solution.

Now, I hope I am just missing something and that I am talking rot, feel free to tell me, but I am pretty sure that there isnt a service out there that wants my money and provides the full package.

Cheers

aubuti
2009-02-19, 05:10
My question is, how about if I am willing to pay and subscribe to a service that allows me to play specific artist and track on demand through my Squeezebox, does a service like this exist?
Sure: Rhapsody, and now Napster as well. Availability depends on which country you live in.

socistep
2009-02-19, 05:36
Sure: Rhapsody, and now Napster as well. Availability depends on which country you live in.

Napster has just been launched on SN, I'm going to have a go at trialling it this evening - This is good news for UK/European users who don't have as many options as those in the states, there negative is that Napster is a paid service.

I believe Spotify gives that option also and is a free service (advert based), this hasn't made it onto the Squeezebox yet but hopefully it is in the pipeline

geebea
2009-02-19, 14:04
Napster has just been launched on SN, I'm going to have a go at trialling it this evening - This is good news for UK/European users who don't have as many options as those in the states, there negative is that Napster is a paid service.

I believe Spotify gives that option also and is a free service (advert based), this hasn't made it onto the Squeezebox yet but hopefully it is in the pipeline

Yeah, it's a bit of a tricky situation. I am in the UK by the way, so my options are very limited anyway. I am still surprised that it isn't an option. I read another post today that says SC has a few new services available. Anyway, thanks for responding, I hope there is someone out there that may have a few more angles that can be tried.
No offence, but I get the feeling that the majority of people that read these kinds of posts are generally looking for the solution too, rather than having a way of approaching the problem. i mean this in the nicest way though.
(edit) im an idiot, just saw you guys are senior members (sorry dudes). I am thinking now that it is a lost cause if you two dont know the answer. HELP!
#cheers

aubuti
2009-02-19, 16:42
Yeah, it's a bit of a tricky situation. I am in the UK by the way, so my options are very limited anyway. I am still surprised that it isn't an option. I read another post today that says SC has a few new services available. Anyway, thanks for responding, I hope there is someone out there that may have a few more angles that can be tried.
No offence, but I get the feeling that the majority of people that read these kinds of posts are generally looking for the solution too, rather than having a way of approaching the problem. i mean this in the nicest way though.
(edit) im an idiot, just saw you guys are senior members (sorry dudes). I am thinking now that it is a lost cause if you two dont know the answer. HELP!
#cheers
But we already told you the answer: Napster. As of this week it is available on SqueezeNetwork, including in the UK. I initially mentioned Rhapsody as well because you didn't say at first where you lived (although your spelling of SqueezeCentre revealed it was probably a Commonwealth country, that's not very specific... ;o) There's a free trial for Napster, why not give it a try?

Now, if you are looking for a *free* service that plays any track you want on demand, that is probably a lost cause for the foreseeable future.

socistep
2009-02-20, 10:27
But we already told you the answer: Napster. As of this week it is available on SqueezeNetwork, including in the UK. I initially mentioned Rhapsody as well because you didn't say at first where you lived (although your spelling of SqueezeCentre revealed it was probably a Commonwealth country, that's not very specific... ;o) There's a free trial for Napster, why not give it a try?

Now, if you are looking for a *free* service that plays any track you want on demand, that is probably a lost cause for the foreseeable future.

Am enjoying the free trial of Napster so far, will make a decision in due course on whether to go for the subscription

geebea
2009-02-26, 15:38
Am enjoying the free trial of Napster so far, will make a decision in due course on whether to go for the subscription

Sorry it took so ong to get back, I understand what you are saying and have enjoyed the napster and erm classical, and they are great. However there is the same problem as usual (not expensive Napster) the search functionality is severely lacking. It is uncanny how the pay service has the best and most useful search funtions on SC. Oh well I suppose u get what u pay for!

I am interested in Spotify ad based music I wonder if SC will incorporate it? Anyway that is for another thread. Thanks for your help. Over and Out.
Geebea

andyg
2009-02-26, 15:48
How is the search function lacking?

ptrainer
2009-02-26, 22:05
...when I demonstrate the system to friends, the first thing they want to do is find their favorite artist and track and I have to say well... erm... I can play you similar artists but not the specific song you want to hear. They always say nah! it's alright.


With Napster you CAN play the exact artist and track they choose fairly easily (if it's in Napster's library of course). Not sure what more you're looking for.

geebea
2009-03-02, 15:00
With Napster you CAN play the exact artist and track they choose fairly easily (if it's in Napster's library of course). Not sure what more you're looking for.

Just looking for something that is free or advert based and has the same search possibilities as Napster. Napster is like 10 a month that is more than I spend on CD's a month.
All I mean is that the search tool for Napster in SC has the obvious Artist, Track or Album search fields which is absolutely perfect, but the search fields in the free services in SC (Deezer & LastFM) make it pretty tricky to hit a specific track.

It is great having Napster free for 30 days but I am like a third of the way through my free trial so I need to find an alternative.

Do you guys subscribe to Napster, is it expensive in the states too?
Gee

aubuti
2009-03-02, 15:44
Just looking for something that is free or advert based and has the same search possibilities as Napster. Napster is like 10 a month that is more than I spend on CD's a month.
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Do you guys subscribe to Napster, is it expensive in the states too?
Gee
You're likely to be looking for a long time then. I haven't done a full economic analysis of music services, but it seems fairly evident that they need the subscription revenue to make a go of it after paying the licensing fees required for providing specific-tracks-on-demand service. In most (all?) cases the agreements that free services like LastFM, Pandora, Deezer's free service, and others have with the music labels *prohibit* them from playing specific tracks on demand. For Rhapsody or Napster or the fee-based Deezer service to play specific tracks on demand, or full albums, they have to pony up more money to the labels, and the services have to recoup that from somewhere.

Napster in the US is $13/month, less than 10 at the standard GBP/USD exchange rate, but about in line with comparative costs of a lot of things on either side of the pond. That's more than you spend on CDs in a month, but you don't get as wide a selection on that CD budget either. On the other hand, at least you get to keep the CDs you buy, whereas the Napster library disappears when you stop subscribing (I'm not talking about buying Napster downloads here, which costs about the same as buying the CD).

Personally, I used Rhapsody's 30 day trial and was considering subscribing, but their delivery via Squeezebox was too unreliable to warrant buying into it. Now I'm giving Napster a chance to shine.

MikeekiM
2009-03-04, 12:15
I avoided a pay-for service for a long time...

In the end, I ended up subscribing to Rhapsody, which costs $12.95/month... My rationale is that it's the price of a single CD per month, and I have access to a huge library in an on-demand use model (which is what you are looking for)...

Sometimes you have to pay to play... :(

I am still enjoying it... I love finding out what others with my interests are listening to in last.fm, and then being able to access those artists on demand in Rhapsody... It's fantastic...

Update/Edit: Based on your original post, it sounds like you are willing to pay for this service...what changed your mind?


My question is, how about if I am willing to pay and subscribe to a service that allows me to play specific artist and track on demand through my Squeezebox, does a service like this exist?