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Jack Coates
2004-04-19, 10:49
noticed there was a new build, urpmi'd it, and boom, there it is. Tag
caching is working great on speeding up my 5346-song database, and the
web UI is much snappier using fishbone.

Because there is no kudo without at least an enhancement request, how
about a web UI to the shoutcast browser?
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Tom Wynne
2004-04-19, 11:23
Jack Coates wrote:
> noticed there was a new build, urpmi'd it, and boom, there it is. Tag
> caching is working great on speeding up my 5346-song database, and the
> web UI is much snappier using fishbone.
>
> Because there is no kudo without at least an enhancement request, how
> about a web UI to the shoutcast browser?

I'll second that - it's a great improvement already but this would be
really useful. ;-)

Peter Heslin
2004-04-19, 13:05
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:23:33PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
> Jack Coates wrote:
> >noticed there was a new build, urpmi'd it, and boom, there it is. Tag
> >caching is working great on speeding up my 5346-song database, and the
> >web UI is much snappier using fishbone.
> >
> >Because there is no kudo without at least an enhancement request, how
> >about a web UI to the shoutcast browser?
>
> I'll second that - it's a great improvement already but this would be
> really useful. ;-)

How would this be preferable to visiting the SHOUTcast web site
directly?

Peter

Tom Wynne
2004-04-19, 14:18
How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
another website through the Slim/Squeeze.

Thanks again,

Tom

Peter Heslin wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:23:33PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
>
>>Jack Coates wrote:
>>
>>>noticed there was a new build, urpmi'd it, and boom, there it is. Tag
>>>caching is working great on speeding up my 5346-song database, and the
>>>web UI is much snappier using fishbone.
>>>
>>>Because there is no kudo without at least an enhancement request, how
>>>about a web UI to the shoutcast browser?
>>
>>I'll second that - it's a great improvement already but this would be
>>really useful. ;-)
>
>
> How would this be preferable to visiting the SHOUTcast web site
> directly?
>
> Peter

Peter Heslin
2004-04-19, 15:29
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
> How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
> Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
> you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
> but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
> another website through the Slim/Squeeze.

I just couldn't figure out what you were trying to do -- now it's
clear to me. I can't imagine myself needing to do this, however.

Peter

Roy M. Silvernail
2004-04-19, 15:40
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 17:18, Tom Wynne wrote:
> How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
> Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
> you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
> but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
> another website through the Slim/Squeeze.

Something is whispering in my ear... "firefox extension". Turns out you
can feed a stream URL to the server pretty easily. I just pointed my
browser to

http://127.0.0.1:9000/status?p0=playlist&p1=play&p2=http://64.236.34.196:80/stream/2001

and Presto! Up came Radio Paradise.

Don't know how to exploit that capability yet, but now that we know it's
there...
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kdf
2004-04-19, 16:03
Previous discussion on this very topic suggested the creation of some kind of
helper application that adds the shoutcase playlist to the slimserver playlist
via CLI.

-kdf

Quoting Peter Heslin <slimp3 (AT) heslin (DOT) eclipse.co.uk>:

> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
> > How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
> > Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
> > you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
> > but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
> > another website through the Slim/Squeeze.
>
> I just couldn't figure out what you were trying to do -- now it's
> clear to me. I can't imagine myself needing to do this, however.
>
> Peter
>

Roy M. Silvernail
2004-04-19, 16:06
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 18:29, Peter Heslin wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
> > How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
> > Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
> > you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
> > but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
> > another website through the Slim/Squeeze.
>
> I just couldn't figure out what you were trying to do -- now it's
> clear to me. I can't imagine myself needing to do this, however.

I can. My den (the computer center) is situated such that I can hear
the stereo in the living room quite well, but I don't have line-of-sight
to the SB. The speakers on my computer are... well, they're $15
craptacular specials, so I would much rather listen to the main system.
Which means if I want to hear a Shoutcast stream, I select it while on
the way to the kitchen to freshen my Pepsi. And I'm lazy.... :)
--
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Never Forget: It's Only 1's and 0's!
SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
http://www.rant-central.com

Jack Coates
2004-04-19, 21:30
> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 18:29, Peter Heslin wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
>> > How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
>> > Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
>> > you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular
>> 'station',
>> > but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly
>> from
>> > another website through the Slim/Squeeze.
>>
>> I just couldn't figure out what you were trying to do -- now it's
>> clear to me. I can't imagine myself needing to do this, however.
>
> I can. My den (the computer center) is situated such that I can hear
> the stereo in the living room quite well, but I don't have line-of-sight
> to the SB. The speakers on my computer are... well, they're $15
> craptacular specials, so I would much rather listen to the main system.
> Which means if I want to hear a Shoutcast stream, I select it while on
> the way to the kitchen to freshen my Pepsi. And I'm lazy.... :)
> --
> Roy M. Silvernail is roy (AT) rant-central (DOT) com, and you're not
> Never Forget: It's Only 1's and 0's!
> SpamAssassin->procmail->/dev/null->bliss
> http://www.rant-central.com
>
>

Peter Heslin
2004-04-20, 01:39
On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 06:40:30PM -0400, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 17:18, Tom Wynne wrote:
> > How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
> > Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
> > you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
> > but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
> > another website through the Slim/Squeeze.
>
> Something is whispering in my ear... "firefox extension". Turns out you
> can feed a stream URL to the server pretty easily. I just pointed my
> browser to
>
> http://127.0.0.1:9000/status?p0=playlist&p1=play&p2=http://64.236.34.196:80/stream/2001
>
> and Presto! Up came Radio Paradise.

Neat idea. Someone clever with javascript should be able to write a
bookmarklet that does: "send the next url I click on to the SlimServer
running on this machine". Any javascript people on the list?

Peter

Tom Wynne
2004-04-20, 03:56
The reasoning is really two-fold:

1. To have the same level of control from the browser as from the
remote (as pointed out in an earlier post)

2. When browsing through a large number of options (as there
potentially are with Shoutcast) it's easier to do so from the web
interface - it can get a bit tedious trying to do this from the remote
between the number of levels and stations, also the 'scrolling' of
information regarding the station.

I personally almost never touch my remote as I always have a PC or a
laptop within reasonable distance. I like using Shoutcast with the Slim
a lot, but just think it would be easier to control from the browser.

If I were any good at web development I'd give this a try. Surely the
XML data is available on the server. I would guess it's a matter of
transforming this into a useful web page with links that tell the player
to load that particular address. You could then take this to the next
level which is adding certain stations as 'favourites' (presumably using
playlists at the moment, but possibly making these directly available
from the menu at a later stage). Thoughts anyone??

Thanks again,

Tom

Peter Heslin wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:18:42PM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
>
>>How do you get output from the Shoutcast web site through your Slim?
>>Forgive my ignorance - I'm not overly familiar with Shoutcast. I know
>>you can create playlists for the Slim that play a particular 'station',
>>but I wasn't aware that you could send an internet stream directly from
>>another website through the Slim/Squeeze.
>
>
> I just couldn't figure out what you were trying to do -- now it's
> clear to me. I can't imagine myself needing to do this, however.
>
> Peter

Peter Heslin
2004-04-20, 15:31
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:56:28AM +0100, Tom Wynne wrote:
> The reasoning is really two-fold:
>
> 1. To have the same level of control from the browser as from the
> remote (as pointed out in an earlier post)
>
> 2. When browsing through a large number of options (as there
> potentially are with Shoutcast) it's easier to do so from the web
> interface - it can get a bit tedious trying to do this from the remote
> between the number of levels and stations, also the 'scrolling' of
> information regarding the station.
>
> I personally almost never touch my remote as I always have a PC or a
> laptop within reasonable distance. I like using Shoutcast with the Slim
> a lot, but just think it would be easier to control from the browser.

For me, the main reason for having a Slim device is to have music in
a room where my wife won't let me put a computer :-)

It just seems a bit perverse to create a web interface to Shoutcast,
which is itself ... a web interface. And it's surely easier to
implement this functionality in another way:

1. Roy's idea of a browser shortcut, or perhaps a javascript
bookmarklet, which might work across browsers.

2. A little Perl one liner that takes a URL and adds it to the
current playlist via the CLI. You would then add it to your
browser's list of handlers for the .pls file MIME type, and choose
that, rather than your audio player app, when you want to play the
URL on your Slim device.

3. You could lobby for a small addition to the existing web
interface, which would provide you with a place to cut and paste
in a URL or file to add to one of the current playlists. I
haven't looked at that code, so I don't know how hard that might
be to implement.

Peter