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idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 04:26
Hi folks,

EMCC Software are pleased to announce the immediate availability of Squidgy for iPhone and iPod Touch from the Apple app store. Price is £4.99 - direct link is http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=296245115&mt=8

Feature List:
Automatic Server Detection
Multiple player support
Player controls - shuffle / repeat /sleep / volume / power
Music library browsing
Artwork display
Landscape album view
Search
Playlist manipulation ( add , reorder, delete )
Internet Music services browsing
Wikipedia integration

Usage notes:
On first startup use the detect server button in the settings screen to automatically configure Squidgy to use your SqueezeCenter. Squidgy scans your server and builds a local database of album titles, artist names and album thumbnails to allow speedy browsing of your music library. This scan can take a couple of minutes depending on the size of your library.

Once the scan completes you can browse or search your library. The playlist lives on the back of the Now playing screen. To reorder the playlist just drag and drop items. You can delete one or more items from here too.

Player controls live on the now playing screen too. Just tap the album art and they slide in from the top. Set your volume / shuffle / repeat preferences or turn off the current player. To hide the player controls again just tap outside the player control area.

In album view rotate the phone left to see the album grid view. Scroll left to right, or pick an album to see the track list. Tap outside the album area to return to the grid view.

Use the players option on the main menu to change your current player.

Wikipedia takes you straight to the wikipedia page for the currently playing artist.

You can also customise a few aspects of Squidgy. If you don't like the default white on grey you can change to more standard iphone colours in the settings menu. You can also configure the default behaviour when clicking on an album here.

Theres some screenshots here:
http://web.me.com/phillbrady/Site/Squidgy.html


Support email address is "squidgy AT emccsoft DOT com", please email problems to us as well as posting them here, then we can track them better.

http://www.emccsoft.com/iphone.html

Enjoy

Borgen
2008-11-14, 04:41
Hi,

Have previously heard of iPeng and iSqueeze(will have another name in AppStore). This two applications have been discusses alot here in the Forum.

Is this a third application?

Will download it and try it out over the weekend.

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 04:48
Yes, this is a different application from either iSqueeze or iPeng.

Borgen
2008-11-14, 04:52
Interesting!

Just bought and installed tha app, will try it out as soon as I get home from work.

Seams to be an impresive application from all sceeen captures that are displayed on the Website.

danny041
2008-11-14, 06:11
Very interesting. How come no one has said a word about this until today?

simply
2008-11-14, 06:21
Very interesting. How come no one has said a word about this until today?

It's probably easier to get something out the door there if you're not interrupted and/or distracted by user feature requests and/or opinions all the time!

they were first out (it looks like) but to win our hearts they better listen to us users from now on :) If they don't, they'll probably loose...

Competition is good...

Will try it when I get home...

-a

Luke Redpath
2008-11-14, 07:00
Naturally I'll be giving this a spin this weekend. Not too keen on the UI personally, seems a bit chaotic in places, but I'll reserve judgement. I'm most interested in seeing what its like performance-wise and how well it handles updates as a result of normal interaction with the server (e.g. web interface or normal remote).

Also interested to see you've taken the approach of using an alert sheet to display "play now, play next" buttons. I took this approach to begin with but developed a new "hold to queue" gesture, with a normal tap for play now.

pippin
2008-11-14, 07:03
Naturally I'll be giving this a spin this weekend. Not too keen on the UI personally, seems a bit chaotic in places, but I'll reserve judgement. I'm most interested in seeing the performance as thats one are of iSqueeze that I've really concentrated on.

Whereas iPeng focuses on ease of Use :-)
Will be an interesting comparison...


Also interested to see you've taken the approach of using an alert sheet to display "play now, play next" buttons. I took this approach to begin with but developed a new "hold to queue" gesture, with a normal tap for play now.

That makes it three different solutions then.
I like the alert sheet least.

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 07:03
to win our hearts they better listen to us users from now on :)

Absolutely - feature requests are more than welcome. As you say we have been concentrating on the feature set we wanted for version 1.0 and have been running a closed beta for a while now.

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 07:05
Whereas iPeng focuses on ease of Use :-)
Will be an interesting comparison...


That makes it three different solutions then.
I like the alert sheet least.

This is the default but we made it configurable based on user feedback.

Luke Redpath
2008-11-14, 07:07
Whereas iPeng focuses on ease of Use :-)
Will be an interesting comparison...


As does iSqueeze ;)



That makes it three different solutions then.
I like the alert sheet least.

The alert sheet method always seemed inadequate. It required tapping on a disclosure button to pop it up and it was far to easy to miss and actually tap the whole row, thus destroying the entire playlist.

I would say this, but "touch and hold" works really nicely. You just hold the row for a second and it will flash to indicate its been added. The downside is that its not immediately obvious, but then neither is the swipe to delete gesture unless you know about it. Once you do know, it seems quite intuitive.

Luke Redpath
2008-11-14, 07:09
Also interesting is the approach of storing the entire library locally. I only do this for albums however it might be useful when I get around to implementing search. It will depend on how well the CLI search performs.

Luke Redpath
2008-11-14, 07:12
idowantapickle: how long did it take for your app to be approved? I wonder if they go to the extent of setting up a SqueezeCenter installation and using SoftSqueeze to test it (seems unlikely but how else would they test it?).

CodeMonkey
2008-11-14, 07:23
...so your feature requests are very much appreciated..

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 07:50
idowantapickle: how long did it take for your app to be approved? I wonder if they go to the extent of setting up a SqueezeCenter installation and using SoftSqueeze to test it (seems unlikely but how else would they test it?).

We submitted the app on monday so ~5 days. No idea if they tested it against a live server or not.

Oh, and we're not storing the whole library - just the album, artist and genre data and artwork thumbnails.

Scott
2008-11-14, 08:11
Can you make/post a lite version, with limited features, for us to try so we can best decide between your app, ipeng or "isqueeze"?

best,

scott

danny041
2008-11-14, 08:40
Ok, bought it and tried it. Just so you don't think I am posting as a bought fanboi or anything for the app or for some of the other apps competing: I am not.

First impression. Easy to set up, with autosearch it finds the player and you are alive and kickin in a couple of minutes after the app has scanned your library.

The interface works really quick and it is actually a Major difference compared to iPeng's web-interface. For me, this is The Major Thing for using a 3rd party remote like the iphone. I think this is the case for most of us out there longing for the iphone to be utilized as the best remote imaginable for the squeezebox.

With this said, and expected from my side, I don't really like the "Now playing" interface. First of all i don't like that the controls and elapsed time is constantly there. My personal view is that the more similar you can make it to the Itunes interface, the more natural and user friendly it would be to use the app. My intuitive approach is trying to sweep the cover to left or right to get to different menues and trying to tap the screen to invoke/remove the control buttons etc. Now neither of this works, rather i have to push the playlist or tap the screen to get a rather "not so useful" menu as a pop-down. I also would like to be able to forward/rewind on the time-progress-bar for the song in the same way i can increase/decrease the volume by dragging the volume bar left/right.

I would also like the multiplayer approach to be improved. As far as i understand this function is not available? I would like to check the squeezeboxes i want to see simultaneously controls for. (if i for example have 5 SB's i would like to be able to check/uncheck some of them to have control over the ones i choose simultaneously). Actually, when looking around i don't find any setting for synchronizing players at all, but i have only used the program for 15 mins now so don't take my points as some kind of 100% accurate judgement.

This was my initial thoughts after short usage of the program. The more i think of it, the more two points pop up as the most important onces. Quick navigation and response, which this app is doing great so far. The other thing is quick and easy support for navigating/synchronizing multiple squeezeboxes. So far I don't see/understand how this is done in this app.

pippin
2008-11-14, 08:43
This is the default but we made it configurable based on user feedback.

"Configurable" is not necessarily easy...

CodeMonkey
2008-11-14, 09:04
its on our list of features to add in either the next update or the one after.

Borgen
2008-11-14, 10:35
Have just done some quick test and I am not so pleased.......

- no album art are displayed, have 299x299 images inbedded in all my mp3 files but this app refuces to show any of them
-tried to play a song on my softsqueeze and then the app crashed. And since then it crashes all the time as soon as i select any items in the main menu.Tried to reboot the iPhone bit this does not help.

Not please at all what i have seen so far

Luke Redpath
2008-11-14, 10:43
Borgen: does SqueezeCenter show your album art?

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 10:48
Borgen - just sent you a PM to try and get you up and running

CodeMonkey
2008-11-14, 10:50
try a refresh database in settings. If this doesn't work post your server os
and squeezecenter version

DeVerm
2008-11-14, 11:00
Was this app tested on iTouch ?

cheers,
Nick.

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 11:03
Was this app tested on iTouch ?

cheers,
Nick.

We've tested on iPhone and iPod Touch against Squeezecenter 7.2 and 7.2.1 running on Mac OS X, Windows XP and Ubuntu 8.04 with a database of 2133 albums, 22886 songs, 2131 artists.

robroe
2008-11-14, 11:05
Looks interesting. The landscape album art view looks cool. As others have commented the now playing looks the weakest area, but without using it I can't comment too much.

Can't wait until the 3 versions are out so I can compare them. Are there any plans from any of the developers to release cut down versions for evaluation purposes, maybe only allowing access to a portion of the library or similar?

bodajmac
2008-11-14, 11:06
seeing as this is becoming a de facto support thread, i've just bought squidgy but am getting connection failed messages - server is correctly detected, ports are standard, not sure what else to check. running on windows xp home sp2, SqueezeCenter Version: 7.2.1 - 23630 @ Tue Oct 21 07:44:57 PDT 2008 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252. if it's any diagnostic help i've been beta-testing the former isqueeze and it was able to connect via 192.168.1.3:9000

thanks in advance for any help,

andy

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 11:21
am getting connection failed messages - server is correctly detected, ports are standard, not sure what else to check

Could this be a firewall or port issue? I've been told that the SqueezeCenter installer doesn't open port 9090 (CLI) on Windows in 7.2.x

munkivelli
2008-11-14, 11:25
Does Squidgy support Rhapsody? I didn't see it listed under the Music Services on the screenshots, unless that list scrolls down some more.

socistep
2008-11-14, 11:30
Hi All,

Just quick from me as I have to shoot to the girlfriends place and I'm late :-) I probably haven't looked at all the functionality

Music scan

Takes a bit of time but not too bad, I noticed from the first scan that some of my most recent added albums weren't there but Squidgy popped up with a message saying it was out of date and they came up on a re-scan, a minor irritant

Browsing

There is a slight lag in loading album artwork but generally it is quick and the artwork looks good

Main Menu

I like this, gives all the options in a similar set-up to the controller, its great to see some of the iPhone features being able to be used on a SB set-up such as the scrolling and use of touch keyboard on a search.

-Albums
Not so sure on the horizontal album view, looks very cluttered to me and I would stick to the vertical view, however I do like clicking on the album and the tracks coming up similar to how the iPod works. Not sure why this doesn't do this on the vertical view ?
-Artists
Seems to be some differences to the SB set-up in terms of Various Artists being under 'V' as opposed to the top and also if an artist is in a compilation that album is included under the artist, would be good to configure that
- Internet Audio
Looks good, haven't really had much of a play but noticed that there isn't an entry for my favourites

Now Playing/Playlist

I actually like this and the way it looks, I like the way that playlists can be viewed and managed and this IMO is easier then on the controller

Summary

From first impression its looks good and is the kind of app I was hoping we would get for the iPhone, I will be interested to see how it compares to the other 2 and will no doubt purchase all 3 then make a final decision - As I mentioned I've only had a quick look and haven't tried it over a longer period so will send some further thoughts through.

Best go, the Dog is getting ready to eat my tea...

Cheers
Ian

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 11:34
Does Squidgy support Rhapsody?

Rhapsody isn't available in the UK as far as I know, so we've not been able to test it. Having said that, all the services that we have tested with (eg Last.FM, Live music archive) and the radio streams etc all work, so as long as the server returns the same format data for Rhapsody I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

Having said that, I wouldn't purchase the app solely for Rhapsody support until we get some feedback from users in the US who can access it.

munkivelli
2008-11-14, 11:35
Rhapsody isn't available in the UK as far as I know, so we've not been able to test it. Having said that, all the services that we have tested with (eg Last.FM, Live music archive) and the radio streams etc all work, so as long as the server returns the same format data for Rhapsody I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

Having said that, I wouldn't purchase the app solely for Rhapsody support until we get some feedback from users in the US who can access it.

Is the untested support for Rhapsody built into the software though?

Any U.S. Rhapsody users out there that bought this try it out yet?:P

Borgen
2008-11-14, 11:49
Borgen: does SqueezeCenter show your album art?

Yes I can see the AlbumArt there and also on the iPhone if running iPeng web version

Borgen
2008-11-14, 11:50
try a refresh database in settings. If this doesn't work post your server os
and squeezecenter version

Cant access settings, the App crashes at once as I select a item in the menu

Borgen
2008-11-14, 11:57
SqueezeCenter running on a QNAP 509 NAS.

The HTTP port for this is 9001 and not 9000.

After Changin the HTTP Port to 9001 in the server setting after reinstalling the APP everything now works.

Album arts is displayed and the App does not crash anymore!!!!!!

pippin
2008-11-14, 12:00
Didn't you say you beta tested this?

I cannot connect to any of my servers, it detects them but the crashes when I select them.

sprutzle
2008-11-14, 12:05
... after the library scan. Restart of my touch helped nothing. As soon as i open the app it crashes after it has detected my server (Thecus 5200pro with a 7.3 SC mod -> maybe that is the problem).

sprutzle

brillo
2008-11-14, 12:29
Very slick! I love it!

Great work.

Speed/responsiveness is phenomenal.

Borgen
2008-11-14, 12:42
... after the library scan. Restart of my touch helped nothing. As soon as i open the app it crashes after it has detected my server (Thecus 5200pro with a 7.3 SC mod -> maybe that is the problem).

sprutzle

had the same issue, check the http port setting so that it matches your squeezecenter. Changes my from 9000 to 9001

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 13:02
Some settings to check if you are having problems are tucked away under 'Advanced' in the server settings screen.

It appears that some of the NAS builds use a different HTTP port by default, so please check this and the CLI port if you are having problems connecting.

If you have problems scanning, try setting the 'charset' value to utf8 and see if that helps. This shouldn't be needed on recent 7.3 server builds.

Support email address is "squidgy AT emccsoft DOT com", please email problems to us as well as posting them here, then we can track them better.

bodajmac
2008-11-14, 13:11
Could this be a firewall or port issue? I've been told that the SqueezeCenter installer doesn't open port 9090 (CLI) on Windows in 7.2.x

missed this earlier - this was indeed the problem, added a port exception in windows firewall and database is now being constructed. thanks very much for the help, very much looking forward to giving this a try!

Scott
2008-11-14, 13:26
I have been playing with it for a few hours.

SS 7.2
os x 10.4
5 players


Good:
Responsive, fairly intuitive.
Album art, volume, shuffle, repeat all work well.
Basic functioning works very well... overall much more responsive than web based ipeng, isqueeze, etc.


Bad:
No last.fm, pandora controls for love/skip/hate.
Can't skip beyond one song at a time on the playlist.
No sync.
Slow/ troublesome interaction with internet radio streaming

Ugly:
Defaults to same player every time on startup... Even if you don't want it to.
Crashes every so often... not completely stable.
Database status updating is quite slow (I have 10k songs)


Overall, nice first version. Will be competitive amongst our 3 (or more?) choices for iphone based remotes.


Best,
Scott

pippin
2008-11-14, 13:29
Is there anything I can do when I can't even reach the settings menu? I crashes immediately at startup.

idowantapickle
2008-11-14, 13:45
Is there anything I can do when I can't even reach the settings menu? I crashes immediately at startup.

Looks like you've hit the same issue borgen had - correct cli port and incorrect http port.

Can you try removing the app fom the iphone completely and reinstalling, then verifying the ports before you connect please?

In the meantime we'll get a fix out for this asap, looks like we've missed a use case along the way.

Are you using a NAS device as well?

CodeMonkey
2008-11-14, 13:45
hope this helps. You should then be able to update your port settings

pippin
2008-11-14, 13:56
Looks like you've hit the same issue borgen had - correct cli port and incorrect http port.

Can you try removing the app fom the iphone completely and reinstalling, then verifying the ports before you connect please?

In the meantime we'll get a fix out for this asap, looks like we've missed a use case along the way.

Are you using a NAS device as well?

No, two ubuntu servers. Both sit at Port 9000

EnochLight
2008-11-14, 14:04
Rhapsody isn't available in the UK as far as I know, so we've not been able to test it...I wouldn't purchase the app solely for Rhapsody support until we get some feedback from users in the US who can access it.

D'oh! I should have finished reading this thread before plunking down my $7.99 USD to buy this 5 minutes ago. :-( Controlling Rhapsody is paramount for my use.


Any U.S. Rhapsody users out there that bought this try it out yet?:P

I just bought it but won't get to try it out until I get home later tonight (gotta' go have some prime rib, Pinot Noire, and watch Quantum of Solace first)! ;-) Will report my results after.


I have been playing with it for a few hours.

Bad:
No last.fm, pandora controls for love/skip/hate.
Can't skip beyond one song at a time on the playlist.
Crashes every so often... not completely stable.

Best,
Scott

Eeeewwww.... wow - that's a huge deal breaker for me. Now I wish I hadn't plunked down my $7.99 USD for this version.

That said, everyone needs to post some official reviews on the iTunes App Store to get a realistic rating going.

iPeng can't come soon enough...

autopilot
2008-11-14, 14:14
Rush job to be the first Squeezebox app in the store?

markbelanger
2008-11-14, 14:31
I'm intrigued but not thrilled with the price : payoff ratio. Does anyone else believe that the remote is about 60%, but streaming is the killer 40%? I've tried simplify (takes forever with a big library) and tversity (video is a nice touch, but good luck if you want to listen to X or ZZ Top!) I even bought the nullsoft radio tuner app, which is pretty cool (costs a few bucks though) in that it lets you load a custom URL. Leaving the app to go to a browser kills the app. Total catch 22. Flycast had hope, in that it's a radio app WITH a web browser option, but no custom URL streams. It feels like it's /so close./ Also, I feel like Ipeng should get my money at this point, he's a very active contributor, and I can probably justify 8 or 10 bucks for a remote - but I'm going to have a hard time justifying that TIMES 3 to test them all out. Does the ipeng plugin allow control of the playlist, or is it cue it up and go (only...)?

Good work all - enjoy nerding out in this direction and pleased progress is afoot. Would love to see a nice streaming option for the iphone, though.

Caad
2008-11-14, 14:35
This is my first impression of the Squidgy remote SW for ipod Touch.

My setup:SQ3.
mac mini, 1,8GHz 320GB/7200 HDD, 2GB Ram, OSX 10.4, Slimcenter 7.2.1

The SW is very easy to setup and getting running. It detects the server IP. You only have to connect this IP and then do a libary scan. I have around 1000 CDs and setup and Lib scan takes max 5min. Nice job!!!
The SW reacts very fast compaired with the safari browsed IPENG. Actually just as fast as the Apple Remote SW. This makes the SW very usefull to use.. :-)
But.. There is No folder search in the menu. It is only possible to search on "artist, Album, genres.
also when playing a song from an album and wish to return to the album. This is not possible. you can only push two bottoms. "playlist" and "done". if you push "playlist" a playlist will show up. It is not possible to choose an other song from this list.. If you push "done" the you will be rolled back to the "startmenu" Here you then have to find the album again etc..

An other bad thing is the Volume control. This is placed so you only can control if you push on the top of the screen. the Volumecontrol will show up. The volume control is also very sensetive and to close to the "Off" button, that shots my SQ3 down. The menu does not allow you to use Squeeze network.
Conclusion: I like the Gui expect for the problems above. IPENG has these features included but the safari based GUI is to slow.

pippin
2008-11-14, 14:44
Does the ipeng plugin allow control of the playlist, or is it cue it up and go (only...)?


The plugin can control the playlist and so does the native app :-)

amcluesent
2008-11-14, 14:47
Epic fail here :(

Current 7.2.1 Squeezecentre on Windows Vista. 16Gb 3G iphone with 2.1 firmware.

Library has 3839 albums with 65488 songs by 2289 artists.

Squidgy *never* completes a successful initial database synchronise of albums before bombing out.

Sigh. Stress testing peeps...can I get a refund?

markbelanger
2008-11-14, 15:12
The plugin can control the playlist and so does the native app :-)

Then you sir will get my money :-) tell the apple hamsters to run faster!

robroe
2008-11-14, 15:19
IPENG has these features included but the safari based GUI is to slow.

I guess that's why a native app is in the works :)

socistep
2008-11-14, 15:57
D'oh! I should have finished reading this thread before plunking down my $7.99 USD to buy this 5 minutes ago. :-( Controlling Rhapsody is paramount for my use.



I just bought it but won't get to try it out until I get home later tonight (gotta' go have some prime rib, Pinot Noire, and watch Quantum of Solace first)! ;-) Will report my results after.



Eeeewwww.... wow - that's a huge deal breaker for me. Now I wish I hadn't plunked down my $7.99 USD for this version.

That said, everyone needs to post some official reviews on the iTunes App Store to get a realistic rating going.

iPeng can't come soon enough...

At least give it a chance....I doubt any of the 3 apps will initially meet everyone's requirements and we'll all have different opinions on which is best etc.....either way it is exciting times for anyone who owns SB kit and an iPhone and gives us a new way to interact with our kit.

I'm staying open minded on all 3 apps and have no problem in purchasing all 3 until I make a decision on which one is best....how much did that wine & ribs cost ? ;-)

sprutzle
2008-11-14, 16:25
Hi,

i figured out how to change the http port (not that easy, because the 'number block' doesn't include a return button, so back to ip address of the server and there i go) so the app doesn't crash when started. But i have problems with repeating crashes during browsing and 'umlaute' (german) as δόφ are not displayed correct (tried UTF8 and AUTO on a SC 7.3). I get connection lost quite often when starting the program and when i reconnect i always get back to the SBR even when i connected to the BOOM before. Performance is OK but not very much ahead of the controller. So for me the software is pretty much BETA. Maybe it runs better for someone else. Oh and scanning of the database takes some time (14000 songs take about 20 minutes).

sprutzle

pippin
2008-11-14, 17:36
Then you sir will get my money :-) tell the apple hamsters to run faster!

"We will come back to you within 48 hours..."
That was around 10am Pacific on a Friday...

sotie
2008-11-14, 19:37
Here's my two cents after playing with squidgy for 30 minutes...

1) The only technical problem I'm encountering (SqueezeCenter 7.2) is that everytime I start the app I get the message that "database appears to be out of date" but nothing has changed in my database.

2) Sirius channels are wrong. Sirius changed their channel lineup yesterday but it's not reflected in the application.


Here's what I think is missing or needs to be improved (in order of importance to me):
- Favorites: please add if possible

- Now Playing Screen: no option to return to last screen... the only place you can go is back to the main screen of the application. This would be benificial when on the Now Playing screen after selecting a song from the Artist or Album menu and then you want to go back and browse for more tracks from the same menu. Here's another example of how this feature would be useful: user selects the Beatles genre in Shoutcast Radio. There are several Beatles stations available. Once user selects a station and presses "now playing" the only option is to go back to home screen. If user wants to check what's playing on another Beatles station you have to go through the whole process again: Internet Audio --> Shoutcast --> Genres --> Beatles.

- Player synchronization

pippin
2008-11-14, 20:34
Then you sir will get my money :-) tell the apple hamsters to run faster!

First hamsters are done.
It's now in Apple's hands...

kantblue
2008-11-15, 03:57
Hi, just thought I'd put my experiences here as it might be useful to others.

For a first version, I'm quite impressed. Its fast which is good and fairly easy to navigate.

The issues I have found are:

I did have to add port 9090 as an exception to my windows firewall in order to get it to connect. Slimserver 7.2.1 doesn't add this port automatically when its installed, so I would guess this flaw lies with the slimserver software rather than the squidgy app?

Each time I start the squidy app, it asks me to update my database even though nothing has changed.

The squidgy app does NOT Wake On Lan the server which means I have to use the Duet Controller to turn it on, which is a bind. IMHO this needs to be fixed. This is especially the case when, for example I select Staff Picks-Classic FM, as after 30 mins my slimserver PC goes to sleep>hibernate, even though the radio stream keeps playing, as if I then want to switch to Itunes music, I have to find the controller to turn it back on. This might be new behaviour in 7.2.1 as I don't recollect it doing that before?

kantblue

autopilot
2008-11-15, 04:06
Does ipeng do wake on lan? It would have to support that before i bought it sorry.

pippin
2008-11-15, 05:51
Does ipeng do wake on lan? It would have to support that before i bought it sorry.

No, sorry. I thought about adding it, but actually I was unclear about how exactly the use case should be.
I don't want to capture this thread so I opened up one in the dev section on this and I would really like to see your comments on this there:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=360221

So I felt it takes a bit of time to do it right (you know: it's always the details...)

danco
2008-11-15, 06:37
Does ipeng do wake on lan? It would have to support that before i bought it sorry.

You could fork out an extra $3 or so for Sleepover, a wake on LAN app. If iPeng is useful enough to you, the extra cost (and effort to use it) should be worthwhie.

Caad
2008-11-15, 08:10
Hi Pippin.

Do you have an estimate when the Ipeng can be downloaded from apple?

EnochLight
2008-11-15, 09:16
I rated it 3 stars...


Squidgy fills that empty hole for us iPhone (or iPod Touch) users that desire an integrated app to control their Squeezebox network music players (Classic, Boom, Duet, etc). As SONOS gets there offical release for free, we SB users have to rely upon 3rd party apps. That said, the tremendous amount of support and versatility really makes it exciting for us SB users - there are already 2 other apps in the works (iPeng and a yet-to-be named other).

First impressions with Squidgy isn't too bad, although I tend to restart my phone before installing apps and then restart it again after installing before first run. I launched it at work first (as I bought it while I was there), so perhaps my experience is due to the fact that I first launched it on a network that wasn't my home. When I did get home and start it, I found that it had trouble initially scanning my SqueezeCenter library (1681 albums with 10045 songs by 1340 artists). I'm on Vista SP1 and SqueezeCenter 7.2.1 - 23630. I had to shut my phone down again and restart the app. Also, I noticed that when my phone goes into sleep mode it switches back to Edge, so Squidgy would crap out. My advice is to either plug your phone in while initializing Squidgy for the first time or turn off screen lock so it doesn't go to sleep.

When all was said and done, it took about 10 minutes to scan my library. After that, it functioned as advertised. It's simple to navigate, though slightly convoluted. You can switch the background from black to standard iPhone white (though the default black is easier on the eyes IMHO). You can reorganize tracks on the playlist, delete tracks, and search via the iPhone's keyboard - a welcome relief for those of us who use the Controller or standard SB remotes.

There are a few quirks. It's slightly buggy and crashes to the iPhone home page on occasion. Not frequent enough to be a deal-breaker, but it crashes nonetheless. Also, for some strange reason PLAYLISTS don't seem to show up as a selectable choice on the home page. WTF??? Rhapsody support works in the US, and so does Pandora - but regarding Pandora you CANNOT approve/reject songs on your stations. D'OH!!!

Am I glad I bought it? Yeah, for $7.99 USD I suppose it could be a lot worse. Overall, a good first effort that will hopefully get better with subsequent support releases from EMCC Software Ltd. Especially since iPeng and the other-yet-to-be named app approaches release. Competition is good!

idowantapickle
2008-11-15, 11:43
well balanced review - thanks.

Seems like playlist / favourites / music directory browsing are quite high on the priority list - we'll see what we can do in this area.

jamesm
2008-11-15, 12:28
Hi,

Bought and installed this pm and initial impressions are v positive.

The good
1) Found my server no problem
2) It's really quick - much better usability than skins
3) I actually think the navigation is pretty good - and i like the now playing functionality

Needs work
1) If you have 2 squeezeboxes it defaults back to 1 all the time. I am running an 'upstairs' and a 'downstairs'. If I select downstairs it doesnt seem to remember that state. This means i have to keep going back to settings to change the player back to downstairs.
2) Get occasional crashes when i drill down into album details
3) Would be good to have a home button on all pages

But a good start..looking forward to luke's and ipengs

EnochLight
2008-11-15, 12:40
well balanced review - thanks.

Seems like playlist / favourites / music directory browsing are quite high on the priority list - we'll see what we can do in this area.

No worries mate, thanks for your efforts. I think that you should also make approve/reject songs on Pandora a top priority as well, but yeah - playlist / favourites / music directory browsing are a definite must.

Finally, it seems to want to rescan the library (claiming that it is out of date) when no changes have been made. Very annoying, because if I choose not to then it seems to lock up.

Thanks!

mortslim
2008-11-15, 13:14
1. Still don't understand why Logitech is not making an application just like Sonos did. I assume Sonos followed the tried and true economic formula of giving away the razor to sell a lot of razorblades, or to be more modern, heavily discounting an inkjet printer to sell more ink cartridges. I think Logitech would sell a lot more squeezeboxes and booms and receivers even if it might canabalize its controller sales. Sonos took the plunge, so should Logitech. And it would also be a lot of free advertising to millions of consumers who might never have heard of these products. And by adding a softsqueeze to this proposed app, consumers can try the whole experience before buying the hardware.

2. I look forward to the iPeng entry as that developer has contributed a lot to these forums.

3. I would like a clarification of the abilities of the new app which is the subject of this thread - squidgy. Does it interface with the Squeezenetwork or only SqueezeCenter? I don't use SqueezeCenter - I don't like my computer on if I am not actually using it for other tasks when I am listening to music. I rely solely on Squeezenetwork with Rhapsody and the other music services. Thus, my question is whether squidgy works with the squeezenetwork or does your computer also have to be on with squeezecenter running?

idowantapickle
2008-11-15, 13:55
Does it interface with the Squeezenetwork or only SqueezeCenter? I don't use SqueezeCenter - I don't like my computer on if I am not actually using it for other tasks when I am listening to music. I rely solely on Squeezenetwork with Rhapsody and the other music services. Thus, my question is whether squidgy works with the squeezenetwork or does your computer also have to be on with squeezecenter running?

Squidgy is designed to communicate directly with SqueezeCenter, so your computer must be turned on.

Hope this answers your question - although its not the answer you were looking for.

Mark Lanctot
2008-11-15, 15:21
I don't want to offend anyone but - can we move this to the third party plugins forum?

This forum isn't really where this thread belongs.

EnochLight
2008-11-15, 15:34
1. Still don't understand why Logitech is not making an application just like Sonos did.

Simple: SqueezeCenter is open source. Sonos software is not. Therefore, Sonos had no choice but to release an official app as there is no 3rd party support whatsoever. On the other hand, a good amount of "official" features you see in SqueezeCenter originally came from the open source community.


2. I look forward to the iPeng entry as that developer has contributed a lot to these forums.

Yes I'm pretty excited about that too. As a first release, I'm hoping Pippin's app steps up and fills in the features and performance where Squidgy is lacking.


3. I would like a clarification of the abilities of the new app which is the subject of this thread - squidgy. Does it interface with the Squeezenetwork or only SqueezeCenter? I don't use SqueezeCenter - I don't like my computer on if I am not actually using it for other tasks when I am listening to music. I rely solely on Squeezenetwork with Rhapsody and the other music services. Thus, my question is whether squidgy works with the squeezenetwork or does your computer also have to be on with squeezecenter running?

Yeah unfortunately neither Squidgy nor Pippin's iPeng interface with SqueezeNetwork. You can control your SN stations and services through both of them though (Squidgy doesn't let you approve/reject Pandora songs in the first release) if you are connected to SqueezeCenter, but if you do not run that then neither of these apps will function for you.

Cheers!

pippin
2008-11-15, 15:53
You can control your SN stations and services through both of them though (Squidgy doesn't let you approve/reject Pandora songs in the first release) if you are connected to SqueezeCenter, but if you do not run that then neither of these apps will function for you.


Puh, now you REALLY make he hope this approve/reject thing works :-)
I DID implement it and I do know that it DOES work for Last.fm, but I can't test Pandora over here in Europe.
But then almost half of my beta testers are from the US, hopefully one would have complained if it didn't. Also, there's probably not that much to go wrong if the other stuff works (Last.fm, Alien)

EnochLight
2008-11-15, 19:09
I DID implement it and I do know that it DOES work for Last.fm, but I can't test Pandora over here in Europe. But then almost half of my beta testers are from the US, hopefully one would have complained if it didn't. Also, there's probably not that much to go wrong if the other stuff works (Last.fm, Alien)

That's awesome news; can't wait to buy your app!

munkivelli
2008-11-16, 01:03
I bought the app and have tried it out. My uses for my Squeezebox are almost exclusively Internet Radio and Rhapsody. I don't really stream much music from my computer's hard drive, so I didn't even bother to upload my library to Squidgy. This is great for the Internet Radio browsing and Rhapsody integration. All the features I need are essentially here, but I ran into these bugs/feature requests, which hopefully can be looked into for the next update. If any of these have been addressed already, please ignore, since I didn't take the time to read this entire thread.:)

1. It would be cool if we could disable automatic checks to see if the database is up to date every time Squidgy connects to the server.

2. Hitting the Done button from the Now Playing screen takes you back to the main menu instead of the page you were last on when you went to the Now Playing screen. A back button would be a nice feature, so if I am adding songs to my playlist from Rhapsody, for example, and I want to go to the Now Playing screen to adjust the volume. I adjust the volume, and press Done and i'm dumped back to the main menu instead of the Rhapsody menu. I'm not sure how easy this is to do from a programming standpoint, but it would add a lot of convenience to the program.

3. Favorites don't get imported from Squeezecenter. This would be an excellent thing to add. I keep a lot of my favorite radio stations bookmarked in Favorites.

4. The Search function crashes the app every time I use it. Not a dealbreaker for me since I never really used it, but I happened to try it for grins and it didn't want to play nice.

That's all I've come up with so far, but overall, I'm quite pleased with what's here.:)

EnochLight
2008-11-16, 08:15
4. The Search function crashes the app every time I use it. Not a dealbreaker for me since I never really used it, but I happened to try it for grins and it didn't want to play nice.

Just curious - was this when you were trying to search Rhapsody or your local library? If not Rhapsody, did you ever let Squidgy scan your local library at all?

I have no idea if the two are related; just curious!

munkivelli
2008-11-16, 08:29
Just curious - was this when you were trying to search Rhapsody or your local library? If not Rhapsody, did you ever let Squidgy scan your local library at all?

I have no idea if the two are related; just curious!

just the local library search. the search in Rhapsody worked just fine.

and I let Squidgy scan part of my local library, but not all of it because i let it get half way done before i decided i didn't need it. that could be the issue, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyways, just in case it was a universal issue.

socistep
2008-11-16, 12:09
Evening All,

1. This has already been covered but one of the limitations was the inability not to be able to control SN via Squidgy, I use SN a lot especially in the morning etc. when I don't have time to power on my laptop. Reading the thread it sounds like this is a limitation of SN...maybe I should speed up getting that NAS..

2. Found some quirks with the app, everytime I launch it is says the database is out of date and needs refreshed, despite not adding any new music - think others have found this. Following that I have found occasions where my collection is out of sync, the attached images show the 'New Music' section from the Main Menu, the top item should be 'The Stills' but is picking up another album, I also seem to lose the 'Artists' & 'Genre's' entrys from the main menu from time to time.

A refresh seems to sort this out but there seems to be something wrong if it is asking to refresh everytime

pippin
2008-11-16, 12:16
1. This has already been covered but one of the limitations was the inability not to be able to control SN via Squidgy, I use SN a lot especially in the morning etc. when I don't have time to power on my laptop. Reading the thread it sounds like this is a limitation also of iPeng...

No, it's neither an iPeng nor a Squidgy limitation, it's currently a SN limitation.

socistep
2008-11-16, 13:29
No, it's neither an iPeng nor a Squidgy limitation, it's currently a SN limitation.

Post duly edited :-)

CodeMonkey
2008-11-16, 14:27
bug fixes:

Automatic auto-lock
Incorrect Http port crash
Large database scan crash
Volume control moved
Resuming failed database scan
Saved player preference
Server authentication
Incomplete scan search crash

Phew it's been a busy weekend. Now I can sleep ;-)

So stand by for the update guys

EnochLight
2008-11-16, 14:36
bug fixes:

Automatic auto-lock
Incorrect Http port crash
Large database scan crash
Volume control moved
Resuming failed database scan
Saved player preference
Server authentication
Incomplete scan search crash

Phew it's been a busy weekend. Now I can sleep ;-)

So stand by for the update guys

Hey thanks - it's nice to see a fix release coming out so soon. That said, is there a way to stop Squidgy from asking for a rescan when the library hasn't changed?

Cheers!

Nonreality
2008-11-17, 04:12
I bought the app and have tried it out. My uses for my Squeezebox are almost exclusively Internet Radio and Rhapsody. I don't really stream much music from my computer's hard drive, so I didn't even bother to upload my library to Squidgy. This is great for the Internet Radio browsing and Rhapsody integration. All the features I need are essentially here, but I ran into these bugs/feature requests, which hopefully can be looked into for the next update. If any of these have been addressed already, please ignore, since I didn't take the time to read this entire thread.:)

1. It would be cool if we could disable automatic checks to see if the database is up to date every time Squidgy connects to the server.

2. Hitting the Done button from the Now Playing screen takes you back to the main menu instead of the page you were last on when you went to the Now Playing screen. A back button would be a nice feature, so if I am adding songs to my playlist from Rhapsody, for example, and I want to go to the Now Playing screen to adjust the volume. I adjust the volume, and press Done and i'm dumped back to the main menu instead of the Rhapsody menu. I'm not sure how easy this is to do from a programming standpoint, but it would add a lot of convenience to the program.

3. Favorites don't get imported from Squeezecenter. This would be an excellent thing to add. I keep a lot of my favorite radio stations bookmarked in Favorites.

4. The Search function crashes the app every time I use it. Not a dealbreaker for me since I never really used it, but I happened to try it for grins and it didn't want to play nice.

That's all I've come up with so far, but overall, I'm quite pleased with what's here.:)

So favorites don't work on it? I was about to download it but that's a deal breaker for me right now as that's the only way to access XM stations. I guess I'll wait a bit for an update or Pippens to come out. I plan on buying Pippens regardless but thought I'd try this one in the mean time.

socistep
2008-11-17, 05:11
So favorites don't work on it? I was about to download it but that's a deal breaker for me right now as that's the only way to access XM stations. I guess I'll wait a bit for an update or Pippens to come out. I plan on buying Pippens regardless but thought I'd try this one in the mean time.

Correct, I couldn't find any link to my favourites from the main menu

atlslim
2008-11-17, 06:57
So favorites don't work on it? I was about to download it but that's a deal breaker for me

Same here - my SC 'home page' is Favorites list

Enoch Soames
2008-11-17, 10:52
I had a similar problem (with a library of 2200 albums or so) - Squidgy got through the 'albums' scan, but it would crash back to the home screen halfway through 'artists.' It finally occurred to me to reboot my iPhone (hold down the top button and bottom button simultaneously until the slider appears at the top of the screen, then restart). That did the trick - it scans everything now. I've encountered a similar problem with other apps, particularly games, so it may be an iPhone problem rather than a Squidgy problem. It's worth a try, anyway.

Apart from those missing favorites and a few other issues, I'm very impressed with Squidgy, by the way. It really shines where playlist creation is concerned - I love being able to reorder songs quickly. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to _save_ new playlists, or access old ones. That's pretty important.


Epic fail here :(

Current 7.2.1 Squeezecentre on Windows Vista. 16Gb 3G iphone with 2.1 firmware.

Library has 3839 albums with 65488 songs by 2289 artists.

Squidgy *never* completes a successful initial database synchronise of albums before bombing out.

Sigh. Stress testing peeps...can I get a refund?

mortslim
2008-11-17, 22:49
If its a Squeezenetwork limitation that doesn't allow an iphone app to work without aid of squeezecenter on a computer, then I humbly suggest that logitech fix this.

Many webpages work fine with the iphone. Unfortunately, the squeezenetwork is very difficult to work with on the iphone. Maybe it is less text based than graphically based.

Suggestion: Several webpages now have both a regular version and a mobile version. Maybe logitech can publish a mobile version of the squeezenetwork.

CodeMonkey
2008-11-18, 01:21
Hi Guys,

Experimental favourites support for Squidgy is in the update submitted to Apple. You can view and play favourites that have been set up on the server, but manipulating your favourite list on the iPhone is not supported. Thats coming in a later update along with Playlist support, player synchronisation and internet radio love/hate buttons etc.

cheers

Phill

pippin
2008-11-19, 03:09
If its a Squeezenetwork limitation that doesn't allow an iphone app to work without aid of squeezecenter on a computer, then I humbly suggest that logitech fix this.

Many webpages work fine with the iphone. Unfortunately, the squeezenetwork is very difficult to work with on the iphone. Maybe it is less text based than graphically based.

Suggestion: Several webpages now have both a regular version and a mobile version. Maybe logitech can publish a mobile version of the squeezenetwork.

The problem is not one of the web page. The iPhone apps use the CLI to communicate with the server and that's not yet available for SN.
It's in the making, though.

probedb
2008-11-19, 07:49
Hey thanks - it's nice to see a fix release coming out so soon. That said, is there a way to stop Squidgy from asking for a rescan when the library hasn't changed?

Cheers!

I've just bought and will setup at home, but I would like to know when you're going to allow it to stop automatically asking for a rescan...SC would get pretty annoying if it asked this everytime you used it ;)

amcluesent
2008-11-19, 08:43
Doh! Still no updated version on the AppStore...

idowantapickle
2008-11-19, 08:55
Doh! Still no updated version on the AppStore...

It was submitted on monday so should be up there fairly soon we hope. The scan has been stress tested against a library of 2700+ artists, 7300+ albums, 73 genres so should work fine with your library.

Theres also a fix in for the people who keep getting out of date database messages. We've not been able to recreate this here but have made a change to the logic that should be more robust. There is also the option to turn this off now if required.

probedb
2008-11-19, 11:04
OK I can see where to change the HTTP port but how do I get rid of the keypad??

I can't actually make it connect with these settings, hitting any other option loses the port number???

MillmoorRon
2008-11-19, 11:51
Are upgrades free if I buy v1.0?

sprutzle
2008-11-19, 12:00
OK I can see where to change the HTTP port but how do I get rid of the keypad??

I can't actually make it connect with these settings, hitting any other option loses the port number???

I explained it here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=360121&postcount=56

regards sprutzle

probedb
2008-11-19, 12:08
I explained it here:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=360121&postcount=56

regards sprutzle

Cheers! Server status message is a bit misleading as it says Connecting when it's actually connected and is updating the database. Oh well....30K+ songs might take a while :)

probedb
2008-11-20, 05:47
OK I'm going to have to class this as a bit crap. It keeps crashing out when updating the database and has never managed to get even half way through the albums (or artists whichever is first). A fiver wasted in all fairness.

Duane Byram
2008-11-20, 10:07
> From: probedb <probedb.3j6cpb1227185401 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
> Date: November 20, 2008 4:47:29 AM PST
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> Subject: Re: [slim] Squidgy for iPhone now available in Apple App
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> OK I'm going to have to class this as a bit crap. It keeps crashing
> out
> when updating the database and has never managed to get even half way
> through the albums (or artists whichever is first). A fiver wasted in
> all fairness.
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Steve Agnew
2008-11-20, 12:12
I have been having intermittent problems accessing my wireless network with an early iPod Touch which seemed a bit weird as it worked OK on an iPhone. My router is a Linksys WAG160N. After several wipe/restore cycles with no joy I have changed the wireless security setting from WPA2-Personal to WPA-Personal and the connection problems have gone away. Just another thing to check if you are having connection issues.

Steve.

idowantapickle
2008-11-20, 13:51
Looks like 1.1 is now on the app store. At the moment I would recommend uninstalling any previous version before the upgrade, especially if you had problems scanning in 1.0.

Saying that, theres no reason why a straight update would cause problems if you have a full database on your device.

This should hopefully fix problems a couple of people have had with large libraries and server authentication, as well as a few things people have requested over the last week.

Let us know how you get on, any problems please let us know at squidgy@emccsoft.com.

Cheers

Scott
2008-11-20, 14:42
Nice work, team.
Good improvements.

I'd like to see:
Add playlists to artist/album/etc
Podcast access
More pandora and last.fm functions (Love/hate/ban)
Select any song in current playlist to play immediately (rather than fast forwarding 16 songs, for instance)

Otherwise, nice 1.1 version.

Best,

Scott

sprutzle
2008-11-20, 15:06
... still crashes every time a scroll through my "new music" category after some time. I did not make any more tests in other categories until now. It is overall still slower than my controller (annoying "reading database" message blocks the app). It once didn't find my server (wlan signal was very good). I think i will wait for pippin's app instead of spending more time in testing.

best regards
sprutzle

rlsx
2008-11-20, 19:34
Browsing under "Artists", the albums of a single artist are not sorted alphabetically. Why?

amcluesent
2008-11-20, 22:42
Feedback on 1.1

Sorted the database load of larger libraries

No so good :

- Bug in handling albums of same name ("Best of", "Greatest Hits" etc). Rather than play the selected album, creates a playlist by taking tracks from all albums which have the same name, ordered by track #
- Albums, simply too slow (> 1 minute!) to create viewable menu. This is with about 3200 albums. A remote which needs to play 'marimba' sound to tell you it's finished isn't really viable.
- Artists, name truncation with '...', should use smaller font for these entries, generally orchestra names etc.
- Artists, albums without dates are listed alphabetically, followed by dated albums in ascending date order!
- Genres menu doesn't need A-Z structure on menu
- Genres, for some reason one genre 'Classical' always returns zero entries. The other 27 Genres I have work fine. Go figure.
- Genres, should have an option to order by album name rather than current order by artist name but primary display is album title with artist name in smaller font.
- Genres, big lists in a single genre do need A-Z scroll bar
- Genres, building list slow for large number of albums in common genre (i.e. "Rock", "Blues")
- Now playing, hardware buttons should be active to control volume
- Now playing/playlists - very unresponsive on button presses etc. Is it busy waiting on the server?
- Now Playing exits back to main menu, see problem of slow loading of albums :(

Bottom line, 1.1 may be OK for peeps with up to a few hundred rock/pop albums. Fair enough, I suppose that's 80%+ of the market.

Nice to haves in 1.2

- Offline mode, to check what music you already have when in a store
- Composer menu.
- Performer and Band menus
- As well as play/add/next option on tracks, have an 'play all' option to play album from selected track to the end.

Nonreality
2008-11-20, 23:42
OK I'm going to have to class this as a bit crap. It keeps crashing out when updating the database and has never managed to get even half way through the albums (or artists whichever is first). A fiver wasted in all fairness.

Ask for a refund if it's not working or try a clean install. It seems to be working for other people. Try the clean install then if it doesn't work ask for a refund. It could be other things other than the program.

Nonreality
2008-11-20, 23:43
Bottom line, 1.1 may be OK for peeps with up to a few hundred rock/pop albums.

What are peeps?

pfarrell
2008-11-21, 00:11
Nonreality wrote:
> What are peeps?

older noobs

Also, see "leaf peepers"


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Nonreality
2008-11-21, 01:29
Nonreality wrote:
> What are peeps?

older noobs

Also, see "leaf peepers"


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Ok Phil I'll bite. I looked it up and it's ppl that like to look and photograph the change in leaf's. You probably meant it as something else concerning me but what the heck, I should know I guess.

Super-Gonzo
2008-11-21, 18:42
I'm running 1.1 and the Artist list is already better to use than the Controller. Much easier to navigate a larger library.

However, album thumbnails are not loading? All I get is the Squidgy icon, for all album thumbnails, on any screen, including "Now Playing"

Is there something I can do to fix this, or is this a bug in 1.1?

CodeMonkey
2008-11-22, 03:49
Have you tried rescanning the library since upgrading?

Skunk
2008-11-22, 04:59
What are peeps?

Those yellow/pink marshmallow chicks that show up around Easter. I think amcluesent meant ppl.

alter_sack
2008-11-22, 10:03
Bugs:

1) I have three albums with the same album title from different artists.
Squidgy always plays only one album. You can get through the other songs only if you select them song by song.

2) I started Squidgy during Squeezcenter playing an album. Squidgy shows the albumart from the first album of the same artist, but not from the playing album.

pippin
2008-11-22, 15:27
With 1.1 I cannot sync the database anymore against my Mac.
SC 7.3.
If I click the button it immediately skips Albums and then doesn't show my database anymore.
It did work on 1.0
Any ideas?

Peter Hunt
2008-11-22, 18:15
In Squidgy and/or Ipeng native apps, can one tap the scroll bar at the bottom of the "Now Playing" screen to advance to specific timepoints within a track?

This would be an important function for me.

Thanks,

Peter

DeVerm
2008-11-22, 20:17
Is there a button in the app that will make me rich and famous? Or at least let me win the lottery? I wouldn't buy it otherwise, not for that much money!

;-)
Nick.

pippin
2008-11-23, 01:14
In Squidgy and/or Ipeng native apps, can one tap the scroll bar at the bottom of the "Now Playing" screen to advance to specific timepoints within a track?

This would be an important function for me.

Thanks,

Peter

iPeng: yes.

MillmoorRon
2008-11-23, 08:32
Browsing in 1.1, my three most populated genres (most of my stuff) will not display.

It does the the 'contacting server' bit but I just get a blank list.

pippin
2008-11-23, 09:40
Browsing in 1.1, my three most populated genres (most of my stuff) will not display.

It does the the 'contacting server' bit but I just get a blank list.
Does it get ANY list? Because for me it doesn't

ctbarker32
2008-11-23, 10:15
Hi,

I purchased this app and I like it. It seems to work pretty well. I've got a large library (3200 albums).

Everytime I select Favorites the app crashes and returns to the ipod touch home screen. Restart app and try again and same result?

Hope you can keep the fixes and improvements coming at a good clip. Definitely need Podcast access.

Thanks.

-CB

MillmoorRon
2008-11-23, 12:53
Does it get ANY list? Because for me it doesn't

No, just lots of grey lines!

idowantapickle
2008-11-23, 15:41
With 1.1 I cannot sync the database anymore against my Mac.
SC 7.3.
If I click the button it immediately skips Albums and then doesn't show my database anymore.
It did work on 1.0
Any ideas?

Is it just your mac you have the problem with or can you not connect it to your other servers?

Also, did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?

pippin
2008-11-23, 16:41
Is it just your mac you have the problem with or can you not connect it to your other servers?

Also, did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?

Upgrade
And just the mac, the ubuntu servers seem to work (with authentication) although syncing is extremely slow (like 5min for 700 albums)

vitoruch
2008-11-24, 08:49
syncing is extremely slow (like 5min for 700 albums)


Gee....it takes me 2min to find a remote hidden inside the sofa, and i though that was too much... :(

idowantapickle
2008-11-24, 14:58
Upgrade
And just the mac, the ubuntu servers seem to work (with authentication) although syncing is extremely slow (like 5min for 700 albums)

5 minutes for 700 albums? Sounds like something is bogging down your server or network to me - that should take about 1.5 minutes tops.

What else are you running on your machine?

pippin
2008-11-24, 15:20
5 minutes for 700 albums? Sounds like something is bogging down your server or network to me - that should take about 1.5 minutes tops.

What else are you running on your machine?
Not a lot. It's a 1.5 GHz. Via C7, 1GB RAM running ubuntu server 8.04. It's my demo server so it's almost exclusively running SC.
Also I see about the same result with my WinXP machine (same library, but using iTunes import), but that one's always a bit slow on SqueezeCenter.

Actually the only machine that used to be faster for me on Squidgy (much faster, actually) was my Mac which doesn't work at all with 1.1

DeVerm
2008-11-24, 16:44
Well, just this afternoon I though, what the ..., let's get them all and selected Squidgy for download. I was told I couldn't because I need iPhone 2.1 software. The problem is that I don't have an iPhone, I have an iPod Touch. Hmmmm.... Connected it to iTunes and after some wild clicking got that to check for updates and it told me it found a 2.2 update for my iPod. I thought that this might be good enough to fool the Appstore into thinking I have an iPhone 2.1 so I select "go ahead". No go, my iTunes cant do it because it must be upgraded itself first!! Grmmppfff... Okay, let's do that. 30 minutes and a reboot later (music buffered was almost enough to span the reboot ;-) I started iTunes again and spend the next 5 minutes agreeing to obscure agreements with Apple. But after that... I got a nice upgraded iTunes that is apparently needed to download 2.2 from the Internet. The previous version was too stupid although it could download 2.0 just fine. I know they are lying to me but realize I probably need the new iTunes after installing 2.2 to be able to communicate with it. But I thought Apple stuck to their own standards? Apparently they let go of the idea of stability after switching to Intel CPU's and allowing Windhose on their kit.
Anyway, after again wild clicking at random I got it to check for iPod updates again and this time it allowed me to start the download. At this time I notice that it had also managed to put a whole bunch of apps back onto my iPod which I had deleted from it before. Nice sync mode, very intelligent too. The download starts... 250 MBytes???!!! Over Panamanian Internet???!!! Well, at 6 pm I finally and to my surprise got it. I can even start upgrading the iPod. This process seemed to take as long as downloading it, after which it starts checking it before reboot... why not transfer into the iPod while downloading if it's gonna be checked anyway? But okay, at 6:12 pm I have it up and running and go to the app store again to try that Squidgy thingy again. Yes, I am now good enough for it and within a minute it's downloaded and installed. I start it and it detects SC okay! As I have disabled the Windhose firewall of course, I don't have to change it's settings and the squidgy starts downloading my database. It is still doing that by 6:30. I have less than 7k tracks. But at 6:40 pm I have it running and I must say I am very impressed by it. Nice, fast and easy to use. No problems so far.

The total time that all this took me was 3 hours ;-)

ciao!
Nick.

Nonreality
2008-11-24, 22:27
Well, just this afternoon I though, what the ..., let's get them all and selected Squidgy for download. I was told I couldn't because I need iPhone 2.1 software. The problem is that I don't have an iPhone, I have an iPod Touch. Hmmmm.... Connected it to iTunes and after some wild clicking got that to check for updates and it told me it found a 2.2 update for my iPod. I thought that this might be good enough to fool the Appstore into thinking I have an iPhone 2.1 so I select "go ahead". No go, my iTunes cant do it because it must be upgraded itself first!! Grmmppfff... Okay, let's do that. 30 minutes and a reboot later (music buffered was almost enough to span the reboot ;-) I started iTunes again and spend the next 5 minutes agreeing to obscure agreements with Apple. But after that... I got a nice upgraded iTunes that is apparently needed to download 2.2 from the Internet. The previous version was too stupid although it could download 2.0 just fine. I know they are lying to me but realize I probably need the new iTunes after installing 2.2 to be able to communicate with it. But I thought Apple stuck to their own standards? Apparently they let go of the idea of stability after switching to Intel CPU's and allowing Windhose on their kit.
Anyway, after again wild clicking at random I got it to check for iPod updates again and this time it allowed me to start the download. At this time I notice that it had also managed to put a whole bunch of apps back onto my iPod which I had deleted from it before. Nice sync mode, very intelligent too. The download starts... 250 MBytes???!!! Over Panamanian Internet???!!! Well, at 6 pm I finally and to my surprise got it. I can even start upgrading the iPod. This process seemed to take as long as downloading it, after which it starts checking it before reboot... why not transfer into the iPod while downloading if it's gonna be checked anyway? But okay, at 6:12 pm I have it up and running and go to the app store again to try that Squidgy thingy again. Yes, I am now good enough for it and within a minute it's downloaded and installed. I start it and it detects SC okay! As I have disabled the Windhose firewall of course, I don't have to change it's settings and the squidgy starts downloading my database. It is still doing that by 6:30. I have less than 7k tracks. But at 6:40 pm I have it running and I must say I am very impressed by it. Nice, fast and easy to use. No problems so far.

The total time that all this took me was 3 hours ;-)

ciao!
Nick.

haha us old folks get grumpy with Itunes eh? I only use it for the same as you, for my ipods.

lanierb
2008-11-25, 10:26
Yeah, iTunes sucks. The upgrades are ridiculously often and they take forever.

As for the server scan time, I bought the iPeng app and it started working instantaneously, so I don't know what that's about.

idowantapickle
2008-11-27, 03:25
As for the server scan time, I bought the iPeng app and it started working instantaneously, so I don't know what that's about.

Squidgy builds a local database up on first run or on each refresh so that the main browsing functionality is always responsive. We've also got a big improvement to the scan times going through testing right now.

AlchemyToo
2008-11-27, 11:36
Just bought Squidgy, and have hit a problem.

It finds the server, connects, and then prompts me to refresh the database. This, however, returns an error that "The connection to the server has failed."

I can do searches etc., and play stuff, just not refresh (or build) the database, hence browsing by artist, genre etc. is available.

CLI and HTTP ports are unchanged, and open. I run SqueezeCenter 7.2.1 on a ReadyNAS Duo.

barks
2008-11-28, 07:38
I was getting this when I changed the Database status check to ON. (had it OFF)

I changed it back, Settings - Other settings; Database status check to OFF

Then exit and run Squidgy again. Run a manual scan, Settings - Refresh database.

It worked for me.

Eric Seaberg
2008-11-29, 13:14
Just thought I'd mention I just upgraded to an iPhone 3G and, even though I had 'played' with Squidgy on an iPod Touch, it works GREAT on my iPhone. I've got almost 19,000 tunes and the rescan does take awhile, but it doesn't happen every time.

I would like to see a PLAYLIST option, especially this time of year, to call up specific CHRISTMAS playlists.


Thanks.... great SW.

idowantapickle
2008-12-01, 04:53
Squidgy 1.3 has now been submitted to Apple and should hopefully be available in a few days. (1.2 was an internal test release in case you were wondering).

New features include:

Player sync
Playlist support - view existing playlists and save the current playlist
Improved compatability with NAS servers

There is also a number of bugfixes mainly around connection / reconnection issues, database refresh and multiple albums with the same name.

AlchemyToo
2008-12-03, 17:27
Just bought Squidgy, and have hit a problem.

It finds the server, connects, and then prompts me to refresh the database. This, however, returns an error that "The connection to the server has failed."

I can do searches etc., and play stuff, just not refresh (or build) the database, hence browsing by artist, genre etc. is available.

CLI and HTTP ports are unchanged, and open. I run SqueezeCenter 7.2.1 on a ReadyNAS Duo.

Version 1.3 solved that problem, the database scan now works. Thanks to EMCC for the support.

Squidgy is a joy to use: Fast, intuitive, reliable. Well worth the price.

pippin
2008-12-03, 17:30
Version 1.3 solved that problem, the database scan now works. Thanks to EMCC for the support.

Squidgy is a joy to use: Fast, intuitive, reliable. Well worth the price.

Is that available? I don't get any Squidgy updates on the App Store

AlchemyToo
2008-12-04, 11:12
Is that available? I don't get any Squidgy updates on the App Store

No, I got a pre-release version from the developers, which solved the problem.

idowantapickle
2008-12-05, 03:36
1.3 is now on the app store - player sync works by drag and drop on the players menu - to unsync players tap the connection line that joins synced players together to break it.

You can save your current playlist using the icon at the bottom right of the current playlist screen.

As before there shouldn't be any issues upgrading but a fresh install from itunes is recommended.

pippin
2008-12-05, 03:49
1.3 is now on the app store - player sync works by drag and drop on the players menu - to unsync players tap the connection line that joins synced players together to break it.

You can save your current playlist using the icon at the bottom right of the current playlist screen.

As before there shouldn't be any issues upgrading but a fresh install from itunes is recommended.

Hi.
I like your Zone-Player like syncing. Thought about doing it that way as well...
A few things:
How do I unsync a single player? Is that by clicking the line for that specific player?
How do I see the whole current playlist, not just the upcoming songs?
And a bug I noticed and that I'm really happy to see - not to dis you because I think it's an iPhone issue and it has been haunting me during beta and I had to solve it with a workaround, now I'm actually pretty sure it wasn't me:
If you press "unsync all" and then immediately start to drag a player (before the unsync is finished) the player will get "lost" in an off-line position and if you try to move it again, Squidgy crashes. The problem is that you must not call "reloadData" while an element is being dragged.
Quizz: How do you find out that an element is being dragged :-)

idowantapickle
2008-12-05, 04:59
How do I unsync a single player? Is that by clicking the line for that specific player?

Yes, just tap the connection icon in that line to unsync one player from a group of more than 2.



How do I see the whole current playlist, not just the upcoming songs?
We're currently only showing the upcoming songs, but saving the playlist saves the whole lot



If you press "unsync all" and then immediately start to drag a player (before the unsync is finished) the player will get "lost" in an off-line position and if you try to move it again, Squidgy crashes.
Oops - missed that one - we did catch it for adding or removing individual players though...




Quizz: How do you find out that an element is being dragged :-)
I think you have to keep track of it yourself - maybe return false from tableView:canMoveRowAtIndexPath: while waiting for an update...

pippin
2008-12-05, 08:01
I think you have to keep track of it yourself - maybe return false from tableView:canMoveRowAtIndexPath: while waiting for an update...

Hey, thanks, that's a good hint. I was looking for a notification or something but there aren't any. I didn't implement canMoveRowAtIndexPath then so I never saw it's being called before the movement starts.

I would definitely call this a bug in Apple's tableView implementation since there's even Apple demo code calling reloadData from within the edit mode...

Another one: Is there a way to know which player is active from NowPlaying?