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RussellRay
2008-10-03, 01:28
Hello all

I'm on the verge of buying a SqueezeBox Classic.
I've seen and heard these in action
- and I'm completely convinced
that this is the hardware I want.

The only reason for my hesitation is SqueezeCenter
- which I don't like.

Most of my audio collection (.ape and .mp3) is arranged
<genre\artist\year album\tracknumber title>.

Some files, however, deviate from this folder and filename pattern,
e.g. old blues tracks; these are arranged
<genre\artist\title>.
All such deviations are tagged accordingly.

The whole collection is tagged perfectly.

However, SqueezeCenter seems to insist on scanning filenames
according to the folder structure and seems to ignore my tags.

Is there some way of persuading SC to be a bit less autonomous,
to stop thinking for itself, and to scan according to my tags ?

Must I use SqueezeCenter ?
Is there any way of running a SqueezeBox Classic without SqueezeCenter ?

Best regards from Ray

coldslabs
2008-10-03, 07:10
Settings > Advanced > Formatting

I think if you clear the "Guess Tags Formats" field, apply the changes, and rescan your library (you might have to clear the library as well) you'll get the behavior you want.

And yes, you must use squeezecenter (or squeezenetwork).

snarlydwarf
2008-10-03, 07:27
Guesstags only applies if SC can't find your tags.

How are your albums tagged?

Are you sure they are tagged 'perfectly'?

MeSue
2008-10-03, 07:49
Guesstags only applies if SC can't find your tags.


I'm not so sure about that. I've always had problems unless I clear the "guess tags" formats as coldslabs recommended.

aubuti
2008-10-03, 07:51
Are you sure they are tagged 'perfectly'?
Especially check to make sure you don't have multiple tag types (eg, ID3v1 and ID3v2, or Ape and ID3v2) tags on your MP3s. You need to look at them using a good tag editor like mp3tag.

Nonreality
2008-10-04, 00:54
Hello all

I'm on the verge of buying a SqueezeBox Classic.
I've seen and heard these in action
- and I'm completely convinced
that this is the hardware I want.

The only reason for my hesitation is SqueezeCenter
- which I don't like.

Most of my audio collection (.ape and .mp3) is arranged
<genre\artist\year album\tracknumber title>.

Some files, however, deviate from this folder and filename pattern,
e.g. old blues tracks; these are arranged
<genre\artist\title>.
All such deviations are tagged accordingly.

The whole collection is tagged perfectly.

However, SqueezeCenter seems to insist on scanning filenames
according to the folder structure and seems to ignore my tags.

Is there some way of persuading SC to be a bit less autonomous,
to stop thinking for itself, and to scan according to my tags ?

Must I use SqueezeCenter ?
Is there any way of running a SqueezeBox Classic without SqueezeCenter ?

Best regards from Ray
)
It's not a big thing fixing your tags, just get mp3tag (free) and take a look at your tags. Fix the ones you need to. You will love the SB and in the long run SC too. It's not a big thing but once you get it set up right there is no problem.

RussellRay
2008-10-06, 03:23
Thanks to all of you for your helpful suggestions.

I checked all my tags with MP3Tag (brilliant program)
and tidied up a few remaining multiple tags.
And in SqueezeCenter I cleared <Guess tags>.
This has done the trick.
It recognises all my <Genre> folders - and only those.
It recognises all my <Artist> folders - and only those.
Im so pleased that I have now ordered my SB Classic.

There is, however, just one more feature in SqueezeCenter
Id like to refine.
(Perhaps I should have started a new thread for this).

In my folder structure the <Artist> folder (where applicable)
is divided into <year> (space) <album>.
In WindowsExplorer (and in MP3Tag) the albums are thus listed chronologically (rather than alphabetically).

SqueezeCenter, however, insists on listing albums alphabetically followed by the <year> in brackets.

Is it possible to tweak SC in some way so that it lists folders exactly as I have named them (rather than thinking for itself) ?

Best regards from Ray

aubuti
2008-10-06, 06:24
In my folder structure the <Artist> folder (where applicable) is divided into <year> (space) <album>. In WindowsExplorer (and in MP3Tag) the albums are thus listed chronologically (rather than alphabetically).

SqueezeCenter, however, insists on listing albums alphabetically followed by the <year> in brackets.

Is it possible to tweak SC in some way so that it lists folders exactly as I have named them (rather than thinking for itself) ?
In the SC web ui, check for the sort order in the drop-down box on the lower left. I can't remember if Artist, Year, Album is one of the options or not. If it is, choose that. But I don't think that will have any effect on how it's listed on the SB3 player.

If Artist,Year,Album isn't one of the options and/or you want to re-sort the display on the SB3, you can play around with the ALBUMSORT tag. Use mp3tag to define an "action" that will populate ALBUMSORT with the tags you want, which is likely [ARTISTSORT][YEAR][ALBUM]. It's up to you whether you want [ARTIST] or [ARTISTSORT] in the first position. I prefer ARTISTSORT because I prefer finding Bob Dylan under "D" instead of "B".

If you use the ALBUMSORT approach you'll need to find a way to deal with any compilation or "Various Artists" albums. Presumably you have a system you like in your directory naming that you can probably mimic with your tags. You'll just need to define a separate mp3tag action for those, and select and add those separately.

Oh, and before you let mp3tag loose on all your well-tagged music, make sure you have a backup. It's a fine program, but it's sufficiently complex and powerful that a simple user error can make a real mess. Besides having a backup, test things out with a few albums first to make sure you get the results you want.

MeSue
2008-10-06, 08:08
If you don't want to mess around with all that ALBUMSORT tag stuff, there is a SC plugin called Custom Browse that gives you a lot more control over how the menus are arranged, including having albums sorted by year.

Nonreality
2008-10-07, 02:45
Thanks to all of you for your helpful suggestions.

I checked all my tags with MP3Tag (brilliant program)
and tidied up a few remaining multiple tags.
And in SqueezeCenter I cleared <Guess tags>.
This has done the trick.
It recognises all my <Genre> folders - and only those.
It recognises all my <Artist> folders - and only those.
Im so pleased that I have now ordered my SB Classic.

There is, however, just one more feature in SqueezeCenter
Id like to refine.
(Perhaps I should have started a new thread for this).

In my folder structure the <Artist> folder (where applicable)
is divided into <year> (space) <album>.
In WindowsExplorer (and in MP3Tag) the albums are thus listed chronologically (rather than alphabetically).

SqueezeCenter, however, insists on listing albums alphabetically followed by the <year> in brackets.

Is it possible to tweak SC in some way so that it lists folders exactly as I have named them (rather than thinking for itself) ?

Best regards from RayGlad you got it working somewhat the way you want. :) I told you that you would like it. :)

RussellRay
2008-10-09, 05:52
>>>> If you don't want to mess around with all that ALBUMSORT tag stuff, there is a SC plugin called Custom Browse that gives you a lot more control over how the menus are arranged, including having albums sorted by year.
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Hello again

I've downloaded and installed the "Custom browse" plug-in
and can call it up in SqueezeCenter <settings> <plug-ins>;
I've also read through the help file;
but I'm unsure now how to go about achieving the effect I would like,
namely to persuade SqueezeCenter to desist from listing albums
alphabetically followed by the year in brackets
and have it list them chronologically
according to my folder structure in Wndows-Explorer,
i.e. <year> <album>.
Has anyone done this ?
Can anyone talk me through the steps in "Custom browse" ?

Best regards from Ray

MeSue
2008-10-09, 07:05
Can anyone talk me through the steps in "Custom browse" ?

I'm pretty sure it's already set up for that as soon as you install it. So when you go through the custom browse menu instead of the regular Music Library menu, after browsing to an artist it will list the albums in reverse chronological order. It will still format it like:
Album name (Year)
but they will be ordered by year with newest listed first.

In the settings you can create more custom menus, but the basic ones will be there already.

Hope that helps.