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FreeLunch1
2008-09-30, 19:59
I love my squeezebox and have ripped all my CD's to FLAC formatusing EAC, etc.. It took a long time, but was worth it since I only have to do it once and I get very high quality audio.

I want to copy my DVDs and store them on my NAS too. Basically, do the same thing for my video library as I did for my audio library. I don't care about file size since I have a NAS. I want to stream the video files to my PS3 over ethernet. So what's the best software and file formats to do this project?

I know 99% of the posts here are audio related, but figured that people here might be able to point me in the right direction.

thanks in advance..

funkstar
2008-09-30, 23:33
DVDs are different from CDS.

What you want to do it just rip them without any additional encoding or compression. I have all my DVDs ripped whole to a large NAS box.

The two main ways of doing it is to either rip to a ISO disk image or in IFO file mode where the files on the hard drive are the same as the files on the DVD. I went for the file mode.

There are loads of guides and lots of information on this on other dites compaired to here. Have a look on http://www.doom9.org/ for starters.

Nikhil
2008-09-30, 23:45
Its a good question, and something that I have not been able to find a simple solution to for a couple of years.

However, in the interim I have been ripping my DVDs to full size ISO images. This ripping process gets rid of the encryption and removes macrovision and region restrictions and other such annoyances, without further compressing the MPEG2 stream or transcoding to a different format. I say further compress, because the DVD source material is already compressed using a lossy algorithm. The full sized ISOs are the closest thing to FLAC+CUE for CD ripping because you can recreate the original DVD without additional loss from these, or convert them to different future formats as they become available.

You can directly watch these on Win/Mac/Lin using VLC or some similar program or by mounting the ISO and using the default DVD player. An increasing amount of hardware devices support direct playback of DVD ISOs from local/attached drives or over the network. Unfortunately support for direct ISOs is not nearly as ubiquitous as support for xvid/divx/avi files or h.264/mp4/mkv files which are the more common formats for video files.

funkstar
2008-10-01, 02:25
If you want lossless video then look about for the HUFYUV codec.

Converting MPEG-2 video into HUFYUV is pointless though, even more of a wast than converting and MP3 to FLAC. You gain nothing and it just uses a lot more space.

Ripping to ISO or ifo is the best solution. You don't loose any quality, and you end up with reasonable file size. A commercial DVD averages at 6.5GB (based on the 600+ I've ripped).

FreeLunch1
2008-10-01, 07:03
Ok if I rip to ISO or IFO, can it stream to the PS3? What programs are you using to do this? As previously stated, I own my DVDs and want to keep them permanently in a closet next to my CDs.

funkstar
2008-10-01, 07:16
DVDDecryptor is what I use. Like I said, you will be best to visit forums dedicated to this kind of thing, you will get a lot more useful information that way.

I have no idea if VOB files can be streamed to a PS3 easily, I don't own one and have never used one. Have a look for PS3 user forums, someone there is bound to have done this.

radish
2008-10-01, 08:33
The problem with things like VOB is that many players (including the PS3 and Xbox360 AFAIK) don't play them. The only real choice for those devices it to transcode to something like mp4.

Ben Sandee
2008-10-01, 09:33
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 9:03 AM, FreeLunch1 <
FreeLunch1.3gluub1222869902 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> Ok if I rip to ISO or IFO, can it stream to the PS3? What programs are
> you using to do this? As previously stated, I own my DVDs and want to
> keep them permanently in a closet next to my CDs.


PS3 will play VOB's just fine. It's not ideal though because you will lose
selection of subtitles, language tracks, etc. If your language track
happens to not be the first audio track then you will also be out of luck I
believe.

Ben

Browny
2008-10-01, 11:23
If you take FLAC as a container for lossless data then the nearest equivalent for Video is Matroska (MKV files).

These are an extentible container for the audio/video codec (I think!!), including hd content. The nearest equivalent to the Squeezebox for video is the Popcornhour, which just happens to play these files streamed across your network.......sound familiar????

Problem with all this Video stuff is there is NO legit way to rip the files - therefore no large company is going to touch all this with a bargepole.

Pity........

FreeLunch1
2008-10-01, 12:50
[QUOTE=Browny;346016] The nearest equivalent to the Squeezebox for video is the Popcornhour, which just happens to play these files streamed across your network.......sound familiar????QUOTE]

I will have to research this more along with the other ideas. The problem with going to PS3 forums is that most people don't care about quality. If that was the case, I probably wouldn't have gone the route of FLAC and Squeezebox. I would have done MP3s or iTunes!

I like the idea of having high quality video streamed to a PS3 or other box. Basically I want a Squeezebox for video!

TurnipMan
2008-10-01, 13:13
I believe a netgear EVA8000 does a pretty good job of a lot of formats. It is not too good at hi bitrate hidef content though.
TheRegister has a review at

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/15/review_netgear_eva8000/

I'm currently using a hacked XBOX1 with Xbox Media Centre, that plays ISO's fine but I'm not to happy with the picture quality.

Tom

cparker
2008-10-01, 14:25
http://www.dvdfab.com/free.htm

Download this free program, you can preview before you rip your DVD and select the audio track to rip. Its quick and the files play on a ps3.

Also see Tversity for streaming..

BTW Vob files are huge but I've not found a decent compression format to encode that doesnt look terrible played back on a 48" TV :s

funkstar
2008-10-02, 13:04
DVDFab no longer supports CSS copy protected DVDs.

Does the PS3 support MPEG-2? if so, there are loads of tools out there to strip the unused audio and subtitle tracks from the VOB leaving you with a regular MPEG-2 PS video and audio stream./

Gibbo
2008-10-02, 13:48
Ok, so basically your looking for a network media tank, check this forum (http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players/) out.

the top nmt at the moment seem to be the popcorn hour as mentioned A100 has just upgraded to the A110, the eg-m31B which I'm thinking of getting, and the HDX 1000 they all connect to a nas, your computer or an internal SATA to read and play pretty much any video format. The don't sell much in the UK but can be got from digitalera.com but in the us or uk can be brought from their respective companies.

burn the dvd's as iso or ifo and I think you are simply copying it and hence lose no quality, I believe they all upscale and can be used for blu-ray and HD dvd if you can copy them.

They all run the same software the only difference is the hardware, popcorn hour is the most popular as it is made by the company that make the firmware hence seems to benefit most, but the others have other benefits, ie the eg-m31b has an eSATA slave connector, it all depends what you need.

There are a load out there made by tvix, not a clure about them personally as they are more pricey, don't know if they are worth the extra.

Hope this is some help.

FreeLunch1
2008-10-05, 07:44
Ok, so basically your looking for a network media tank, check this forum (http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players/) out.

the top nmt at the moment seem to be the popcorn hour as mentioned A100 has just upgraded to the A110, the eg-m31B which I'm thinking of getting, and the HDX 1000 they all connect to a nas, your computer or an internal SATA to read and play pretty much any video format. The don't sell much in the UK but can be got from digitalera.com but in the us or uk can be brought from their respective companies.

burn the dvd's as iso or ifo and I think you are simply copying it and hence lose no quality, I believe they all upscale and can be used for blu-ray and HD dvd if you can copy them.

They all run the same software the only difference is the hardware, popcorn hour is the most popular as it is made by the company that make the firmware hence seems to benefit most, but the others have other benefits, ie the eg-m31b has an eSATA slave connector, it all depends what you need.

There are a load out there made by tvix, not a clure about them personally as they are more pricey, don't know if they are worth the extra.

Hope this is some help.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=332

Here is a link for your forum. I appreciate the suggestions. There is so much stuff out there that it's crazy trying to figure it all out. It would be nice if there was a conclusive guide/book out there explaining in detail it all.

I'm fortunate to have found Slim/FLAC/Infrant NAS/EAC as a solution to all my audio needs. I just need to find the equivalent to Video.

luuk
2008-11-14, 08:44
I still think it is shortsighted of the SB people not to consider putting together an SB that can handle video as well. I would also be happy with SqueezeCenter streaming video and audio to say a Popcorn Hour. What I am trying to avoid (because it is giving me lots of problems) is having to run two or even three servers (I now have to run SC for my SB2, Twonky for flac music to the homecinema (Denon 4306) and TVersity also to the homecinema but to the PS3 mainly for video (who wants to listen to anything except hardrock with the PS3 blazing in the background). Getting these three to work smoothly together has been a real head-ache.

Pale Blue Ego
2008-11-14, 09:44
Maybe just encode each DVD to a single xvid or divx file. It's not lossless, but then neither is the original DVD. Quality is good and you'll save a ton of space. They are easy to stream over a network and can be played on any modern DVD player or computer.

dcote
2008-11-17, 02:05
i have been doing this for over 5 years now with my KISS/Linksys networked DVD player (it is an ancient DP500). it plays VOB just fine, which allows you to simply rip the DVD "as is" to your NAS. the VOB file simply shows up in the file menu and i press play.

however, i have decided to compress DVDs, because even a NAS will run out space sometime! ;-)

i encode all my movies myself, using the XviD codec and 160kbit MP3. but, as you said, i dont care about AC3/DTS, since i dont have a surround system. but as is, the quality is excellent and almost indistinguishable from the original DVD.