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MeSue
2008-09-21, 15:46
Can folks who have used both discuss the pros and cons of each? My PDA has a 640x480 resolution, so in that regard it seems like the controller is a step down.

I noticed there is a lyrics applet for the controller. Is this needed to display lyrics if they are stored in the file tags? Currently I can browse lyrics in one of the Web skins on my PDA, though the formatting isn't that great. How is the lyrics display on the Controller?

peterw
2008-09-21, 17:20
Which PDA?

Controlling SC7 with my Palm TX is nowhere near as nice as using the Controller. The Controller is at least a hundred times better. Really. Downside of the Controller is I don't carry it around like my PDA, as it has little use besides controlling SC7 and some X10 power & light control in the house.

chrisla
2008-09-21, 17:39
Where does one find the Insteon Device Manager? Your Insteon plugin
works on Linux?

Thanks,

-Chris

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, peterw
<peterw.3g44vn1222043101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Which PDA?
>
> Controlling SC7 with my Palm TX is nowhere near as nice as using the
> Controller. The Controller is at least a hundred times better. Really.
> Downside of the Controller is I don't carry it around like my PDA, as
> it has little use besides controlling SC7 and some X10 power & light
> control in the house.
>
>
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MeSue
2008-09-21, 18:28
Which PDA?


I have a Dell Axim X51v.

aubuti
2008-09-21, 18:46
I have a Palm TX that I've used from time to time to control my SBs. The SBC is at least 100 times better than the Palm. The Palm is just too slow, even using the Handheld skin. It's a good demonstration of how much better a purpose-built interface can be than a generic http interface.

MeSue
2008-09-21, 18:55
Wow... two votes for a hundred times better... that is pretty compelling! Any comments on the lyrics display?

peterw
2008-09-21, 19:15
Where does one find the Insteon Device Manager? Your Insteon plugin
works on Linux?

I think this is the URL for Device Manager, which is designed for Windows.
http://www.insteon.net/sdk/Files/dm/
I don't know if it would work under WINE or the like, as I have no Insteon hardware myself (Greg Brown of SuperDateTime and SiriusRadio fame wrote the Insteon support for PowerCenter). You should be able to run SqueezeCenter + PowerCenter on a Linux system with DM running on a Windows system -- PowerCenter merely needs to make HTTP requests to the DM host.

There is some Linux software for some Insteon controllers (see http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/iplcd/ for starters), but I haven't investigated it. I have occasional troubles with X10 (especially lamp modules), but the pain isn't great enough for me to spend $ checking out Insteon. :-)

-Peter

aubuti
2008-09-21, 19:17
Wow... two votes for a hundred times better... that is pretty compelling! Any comments on the lyrics display?
Heh, if I noticed Peter's >=100x comment at all before I posted then it only registered subconsciously. I don't have lyrics in my tags, but I've used the SBC lyrics applet a little. The formatting is very good with the lyrics it gets off the lyrics server. The only downside is that often you get a lot of barely relevant choices for what song is playing. It's easy enough to find the right one, just something I would rather not have to look for. Of course, that wouldn't be an issue if it was coming straight from the tags of the playing track.

peterw
2008-09-21, 19:23
Wow... two votes for a hundred times better... that is pretty compelling!

Well, it depends on your PDA. The web browser that comes with the Palm TX is pretty week -- there's essentially no caching, and the Javascript support is spotty. And there are LOTS of annoying little bugs, which I don't expect Palm will EVER fix. I expect a Windows Mobile 6 device or something running Maemo/Mozilla like a Nokia N810 would probably be considerably better than the Palm, though probably still not as good at controlling SC as the Controller.

chrisla
2008-09-21, 19:29
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:15 PM, peterw
<peterw.3g4a7b1222050001 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> chrisla;342766 Wrote:
>> Where does one find the Insteon Device Manager? Your Insteon plugin
>> works on Linux?
>
> I think this is the URL for Device Manager, which is designed for
> Windows.
> http://www.insteon.net/sdk/Files/dm/
> I don't know if it would work under WINE or the like, as I have no
> Insteon hardware myself (Greg Brown of SuperDateTime and SiriusRadio
> fame wrote the Insteon support for PowerCenter). You should be able to
> run SqueezeCenter + PowerCenter on a Linux system with DM running on a
> Windows system -- PowerCenter merely needs to make HTTP requests to the
> DM host.
>

Neat, previous to this I was planning on getting their smatlinc
device, which also works via http, so it may be easy to expand your
software to work with that.


> There is some Linux software for some Insteon controllers (see
> http://www.linuxha.com/athome/common/iplcd/ for starters), but I
> haven't investigated it. I have occasional troubles with X10
> (especially lamp modules), but the pain isn't great enough for me to
> spend $ checking out Insteon. :-)
>
>
Yeah, we were starting from scratch, so we just started with Insteon.

-Chris

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MeSue
2008-09-21, 19:33
I have lyrics saved to tags for 11997 of my 17560 tracks. (The missing ones are mostly hubby's country music which I have no interest in tracking down lyrics for.) It would be really nice to browse lyrics as I listen curled up in bed or in my comfy recliner instead of at the computer. I could on the Axim, but all the lightweight skins string lines together so it is not too pleasant to read and I never do it.

mattybain
2008-09-21, 23:36
I have 2 controllers and in the past have tried to use a Nokia N800 and various PDA's to control my Squeezeboxen. However they have never been very successful mostly due to the lack of speed.

Now I find the controllers much better although let down by the erratic scroll wheel and the tendency to lose connection.

What works exactly like it I would want my IPhone with the new IPhone application, that is brilliant. Very quick and very easy to use.

So from my experience the controllers are much better than a PDA but they are still not the best overall.

MeSue
2008-09-23, 09:29
Can "now playing" be rearranged easily with the controller like you can with drag & drop in the default skin of the Web UI? Moving songs up or down in the playlist. This is something I can't do in any of the skins on my PDA.

andynormancx
2008-09-23, 10:12
No you can't change the now playing order like that on the Controller. You can do that on the iPhone/Touch with the iPeng plugin though.

Great though the iPeng plugin is however, it doesn't compare for responsiveness with the Controller. The Controller is still better to use that iPeng. Maybe that will change with the native version of iPeng.

MeSue
2008-09-23, 10:35
Drat... that is a bummer. We really need better playlist management on these things.

I don't own any iAnything and probably never will, so no iPeng for me.

MeSue
2008-09-24, 08:36
Well, I won't have to wonder about the Controller for much longer. I managed to win a "slightly used" Duet on eBay for considerably less than the cost of a new Controller alone.

peter
2008-09-28, 08:23
MeSue wrote:
> Drat... that is a bummer. We really need better playlist management on
> these things.
>
> I don't own any iAnything and probably never will, so no iPeng for me.

:)

I kinda like my iRiver H140, though...

Regards,
Peter

loxllxol
2009-03-29, 16:50
For those that tried PDAs, how are you accessing SC? In the past I've used remote connection on my WM6.1 PDA to remote into my server and control the web UI.

Are there more efficient ways of accessing SC?

MeSue
2009-03-30, 14:56
Are there more efficient ways of accessing SC?

You might want to try http://SERVERIP:9000/handheld from your PDA's web browser.

loxllxol
2009-04-07, 00:08
You might want to try http://SERVERIP:9000/handheld from your PDA's web browser.


Yeah, that doesn't work well at all!! Just bought the iPod Touch with iPeng. Absolutely night and day difference between it and the SBC. No hang ups, no fuss, really easy to use. Totally made me love the SBR all over again!

yesongs
2009-04-07, 06:35
No you can't change the now playing order like that on the Controller. You can do that on the iPhone/Touch with the iPeng plugin though.

Great though the iPeng plugin is however, it doesn't compare for responsiveness with the Controller. The Controller is still better to use that iPeng. Maybe that will change with the native version of iPeng.

Not sure I understand why you would say this, other than having to wait for a "signal" to appear on the Itouch/Peng

Once you have a signal, the Peng is very responsive and a lot better as far as functionality IMO

E

pippin
2009-04-07, 07:27
Not sure I understand why you would say this, other than having to wait for a "signal" to appear on the Itouch/Peng

Once you have a signal, the Peng is very responsive and a lot better as far as functionality IMO

E

He said that because this is a very old thread. His comment was from September '08, before the iPeng Application was out and was referring to the web-based plugin. That one is indeed slower than the controller.
That's what he meant with "that will change with the native version..." The native version is the app.

andynormancx
2009-04-07, 07:49
He said that because this is a very old thread. His comment was from September '08, before the iPeng Application was out and was referring to the web-based plugin. That one is indeed slower than the controller.
That's what he meant with "that will change with the native version..." The native version is the app.
Quite. With the native iPeng app is better than my Controller in almost every way, the exceptions mainly being:

- availability of hardware buttons for track navigation and volume
- speed of notification on track changes etc (due to be fixed in iPeng I believe)
- player functionality (hopefully to be addressed in iPeng at some point)

The only real problem with the iPeng web based plugin was speed and the native version fully addresses that issue*.

If I was in the market for a Squeezebox remote solution now I'd be buying an iPod Touch and iPeng rather than a Squeezebox Controller. As it is though I have the best of both worlds, with both a Controller and an iPhone/iPeng.



* I took a Squeezebox Boom away with me over the weekend and plugged it into the wifi network where we were staying. Not only did it happily stream music from my home server several hundred miles away, but I also used my iPhone+iPeng to control it, with iPeng also talking to the very distant server. It worked perfectly and was still acceptably responsive.

yesongs
2009-04-07, 08:16
Apologies all around - I didn't notice the date

E

Locuth
2009-04-28, 16:17
Hi there,

Maybe you would like to check out my approach to remote controlling SqueezeBoxes with a PDA.

SlimControl is a PDA-based remote control for Logitech's Squeeze network.
http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl

Testers are very welcome.

pippin
2009-04-28, 16:37
SlimControl is a PDA-based remote control for Logitech's Squeeze network.
http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl


I would avoid the wording "Squeeze network" when you mean SqueezeCenter.

MeSue
2009-04-28, 21:10
Hi there,

Maybe you would like to check out my approach to remote controlling SqueezeBoxes with a PDA.

SlimControl is a PDA-based remote control for Logitech's Squeeze network.
http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl

Testers are very welcome.

Pretty nice. A little ugly on 640x480 screen but that is to be expected. Would have loved it before I had a Controller. The email registration is a turn off. I know it's not required, but it makes me wonder what you're up to collecting email addresses. And the web site is annoying. And it's SqueezeCenter, not SqueezeServer as stated in your documentation.

Locuth
2009-04-30, 19:22
Pretty nice. A little ugly on 640x480 screen but that is to be expected. Would have loved it before I had a Controller. The email registration is a turn off. I know it's not required, but it makes me wonder what you're up to collecting email addresses. And the web site is annoying. And it's SqueezeCenter, not SqueezeServer as stated in your documentation.

Yeah right - I am spending a couple of months developing a remote just to collect email adresses ^^

I am merely keeping track of users. To inform them of updates and to gather some compatibility information.
Plus, of course, I would like to sell the software, ... at some point.

Point taken. I'll correct the documentation.

See you.

MeSue
2009-04-30, 20:45
I am merely keeping track of users. To inform them of updates and to gather some compatibility information.



No problem... just saying you might want to say that on the site. If I hesitated about it, then others might too. Anyway, it worked fine on an Aim X51v, though I didn't really put it through the paces. Beats using the WebUI.

Locuth
2009-05-01, 04:21
No problem... just saying you might want to say that on the site. If I hesitated about it, then others might too. Anyway, it worked fine on an Aim X51v, though I didn't really put it through the paces. Beats using the WebUI.

Point taken - I will put a note on the webpage.

If you will, drop me a short email or PM so I can associate your registration key with a hardware platform.
That is, of course, if you have actually registered ;-)

I will make neither your email nor you PDA platform public ^^.

newy
2009-05-10, 07:31
I'd like to try out your app. Where should I install the program from? I am using an HTC Mogu/6800/P4000 (whatever!) on XP w/ Active Sync. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks!