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Luke Redpath
2008-09-01, 07:30
I'm getting closer and closer towards releasing iSqueeze, a remote app for SqueezeCenter for the iPhone/iPod touch. I expect to be ready for beta testing in a couple of weeks, so if you're interested in trying it out, please let me know in this thread or via PM. I'm looking for 5-10 beta testers to begin with. All beta testers will receive the final app for free (as long it is possible for me to arrange this).

To whet your appetite, here's a sneak preview:

http://static.lukeredpath.co.uk/~luke/isqueeze/Screenshot%202008-09-01%2001%3a26%3a27%20%2b0100-1.png

http://static.lukeredpath.co.uk/~luke/isqueeze/Screenshot%202008-09-01%2001%3a26%3a42%20%2b0100-1.png

http://static.lukeredpath.co.uk/~luke/isqueeze/Screenshot%202008-09-01%2001%3a25%3a54%20%2b0100-1.png

http://static.lukeredpath.co.uk/~luke/isqueeze/Screenshot%202008-09-01%2001%3a25%3a10%20%2b0100-1.png

http://static.lukeredpath.co.uk/~luke/isqueeze/Screenshot%202008-09-01%2001%3a25%3a33%20%2b0100-1.png

thesil
2008-09-01, 08:36
Yes , I would like to try it out;sounds really cool
Thanks

Luke Redpath
2008-09-01, 09:13
I'd also like to try and get an idea of what people are willing to pay; I don't want to under or overprice it. I'm currently thinking around the Ģ4-Ģ5 based on the fact that that is what I would be willing to pay for such an app. That would be around the $7-$8 mark.

dean
2008-09-01, 09:28
That's great. Can you play back on the iPhone/Touch directly, or does it just control?

Luke Redpath
2008-09-01, 10:42
It just controls. Playback might be something I'd consider in a future release but it isn't a priority for 1.0.

nolan
2008-09-01, 14:29
I'd be interested in checking out the beta. We have both an iphone, an iPod touch and 3 squeezeboxes in our house.

As for price, I'd say anything under Ģ5 is impulse buy territory for me so call it Ģ4.99 and you have a sale!

Of course this depends on the functionality compared with iPeng but it would be cool to have a native app with the performance benefits that would hopefully bring.. Will it be able to control plugins, i.e. AlienBBC? That would be a big plus for me.

bephillips
2008-09-01, 15:31
I'd like to check it out, happy to give feedback. I've been using iPeng some, so could compare and contrast to that. I'm hoping this would be a little snappier?

studley
2008-09-01, 21:26
I have an iPod Touch and three SBs and would be happy to explore your beta and provide feedback. I have been happily using iPeng but would not hesitate to purchase another application.

Cheers, David

BBear
2008-09-01, 22:25
I've been using ipeng for some time but really want to see what an installed app can do with SC.

bodajmac
2008-09-02, 05:26
i'd be very interested to help with testing too, single SB3, iphone 3g and c. 25,000 tracks to play with

davidjames
2008-09-02, 07:47
I would be very happy to test the iSqueeze. I'm currently running iPeng and while it works very well, I would be interested in alternatives.

Thanks.
Dave

dsendecki
2008-09-02, 11:27
I, too, run iPeng on an iPhone 3G. SqueezeCenter is hosted on a Windows Home Server. I've got four receivers and a controller. Would be happy to beta test.

scottelloco
2008-09-02, 16:42
Luke, I'd be interested in beta testing your application as well. I'm running an ipod touch with 2.0.2 firmware and SqueezeCenter 7.2 on Windows XP SP3.

Mr. Resistor
2008-09-02, 18:08
I'm Game.... 32gb Touch w 2.0.2, 16gb iPhone 2.0.2, SC 7.2 on Win2k.

- Jim -

Scott
2008-09-02, 18:36
I would be happy to test.

sb

agentsmith
2008-09-02, 21:13
I have iPod Touch, a Windows Vista server and SB2

Super-Gonzo
2008-09-02, 22:51
in case you need another tester, I'm game.

I have a 3G, SqueezeCenter is running on W2K3 server.

snoogly
2008-09-03, 01:37
And yet another request to be a tester. 8gb touch, v2.0.2. OSX.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-03, 01:55
Thank you everyone for the great response. I now have enough people to choose from to beta test!

I will email the chosen beta testers in the next week or so with details.

Husted
2008-09-03, 05:27
Too late for me then.
I could test it on a first gen iPhone where the music is hosted on a Mac Mini. As for price, Ģ4.99 would be fair for me.

I've noticed that some iPhone programs are not available in my Danish Appstore, please make sure that you release it for all countries.

/Husted

Luke Redpath
2008-09-03, 10:39
Regarding who I choose, it will be roughly on a first-come first-served basis but I will be trying to make sure I have a good selection of different setups/platforms/hardware.

muski
2008-09-03, 17:11
You can currently stream SC to an iPhone. There is an app from Nullriver called Tuner Internet Radio. It's $5.99 on the AppStore. It can play MP3, AAC+ (nice!), PLS, M3U streams. It's basic, but the audio portion works well.

I use this app to listen to streaming Internet radio in my car over 3G. (I am so sick of Sirius and their crappy sound quality?)

Is there any plugin/config to get SC to stream AAC+?

I'll have to see if I can get this and iSqueeze working through my router/firewall and access it thru 3G rather than wifi.

muski

(Hope I get to be an iSqueeze beta tester for this tip!)

citoyen
2008-09-05, 10:11
Why not make this app available for free, with code under a free software license? The free software ecosystem surrounding it is what attracted me to the SqueezeBox in the first place. I'd _donate_ 5-10 EUR.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-05, 11:45
Why not make this app available for free, with code under a free software license?.

I hesitated to answer this as I wasn't sure it really needs answering and I'm surprised nobody asked sooner. That said...It should always remain a personal choice on whether to release a certain piece of software as open-source or commercially and it saddens me when I see open-source advocates not respecting a developers choice to go the commercial route (not talking about you, just something I've observed).

The simple reason why I chose the commercial route is because I think it's worth paying for and would pay for it myself had somebody else developed it. I support open-source software and have released a lot of open-source code over the years (and continue to do so) but I don't think that should preclude somebody from wanting to charge for software either. You're of course free to not purchase it and use any open-source/free alternatives should they become available and I don't think commercial offerings damage the free software ecosystem in anyway.

There isn't anything wrong with paying for software. A lot of the great apps on my Mac I use I have paid for; others are free/open-source. I am always happy to pay for software if it's priced reasonably and is well executed.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-05, 12:52
I just wanted to add to the above; if there does turn out to be any code in the application that is abstract enough to be generally useful to the iPhone development community as a whole, I will almost certainly release it under an open-source license, NDA/T&Cs permitting.

chrisinparis
2008-09-05, 13:07
just discovered this thread. I too would be happy to beta test. iPhone 2G, SCs running under win, mac and Linux (principal server is mac).

Interesting comments wrt commercial/open source route. I have actually donated to iPeng so I suppose I'd be willing to pay for this app (but not more than a fiver (gbp)).

Hth, look forward to hearing beta tester impressions.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-05, 14:08
chrisinparis: I haven't decided on the final price but it will *definitely* be no more than Ģ5.

jpfine
2008-09-06, 12:04
got your lineup per above but happy to join if you need more. i have a 8gb touch, 16gb iphone 3g, two squeezeboxes (well, one of the new screen-less ones, and one of the screened ones), and the new remote.

from a U.S. perspective: it will be an impulse buy regardless of quality if you price below $5.00 or so. as you go higher than that, i get more discriminating. that said, i would pay upwards of $15 or $20 for a fully-functional well-developed piece of ware. (and more if it stops my 3G from crashing every 24 hours.)

thank you for developing this,
Jon

Luke Redpath
2008-09-11, 13:37
Thanks again to everybody who has got in touch. I've sent the initial beta invites out now but if I need any more I have a good list to choose from.

The beta should be released over this weekend so hopefully there will be some early feedback from beta testers soon. I also hope to release the app's website over the weekend.

bephillips
2008-09-15, 14:38
Here's what I wrote to Luke about my initial impressions of iSqueeze:

Install went fine.

It has frozen up on me a few times, most recently while trying to edit the current random playlist.

Bug: loads fine into artist view, playlists view shows ok, album view hangs on loading causing squeezecenter to freeze playback. On getting out of iSqueeze back to Springboard, squeezecenter resumes playback. I have a lot of albums: 3,200. I have 2,273 artists. This I've reproduced a few times, never successfully loaded the album list.

Another bug? When I was on a phone call, I went into iSqueeze. There was the green bar at the top by which one can return to the call screen, and that worked, but after the call was over, the green bar persisted and continued to count off call time, and did not go away. Making a new call caused the green bar counter to reset, but it still didn't go away at the end of the call or on quitting iSqueeze until I reset the iPhone.

Overall seems snappier than iPeng, as I had hoped.

I like the now playing screen, and the playlist editing. Using the standard iPhone editing interface, plus the quick delete swipe seems better than iPeng. Button for exiting the edit screen should say "done" rather than "edit".

I need some access to search for this to be a very useful interface. And access to random play, ideally Erland's Dynamic Playlists.

iPeng is better in terms of accessing song and album info. Lyrics plugin works on iPeng too. I especially like to get info on songs coming up in the playlist. Here is a very common scenario for me: Random songs playlist, looking ahead to delete songs I'm not in the mood for, occasionally reordering if it seems to improve the flow. Sometimes I see in the playsist a track that segues into another, say in a live show, and I want to add the track that would be segued into. So I want to be able to pull up the album of an upcoming track to add another track from that album to the current playlist. Can't do this easily in iPeng either. Being able to get info on upcoming songs would help also because the iSqueeze playlist is not as verbose as the Browser UI of course.

I like swiping the playlist item to quick delete. How about swipe right to bring up delete button and swipe left to bring up a "get info" button? I don't know if it would be possible to have an info link button when one is in the edit playlist view. Perhaps tapping the track info in the Now Playing screen could bring up all the song info.

Progress bar looks good, is there a plan to add FF and Rew functionality to the progress bar?

The button that brings up play album/track or add to playlist: Can this or the activation area for this be made bigger? Too easy to clear the playlist and play the track when I was actually trying to add it to the current playlist.

So, great so far. Looking forward to stability and feature improvements. Happy to be helping with the beta testing. My iPhone is a jailbroken 2.1. 3G.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-15, 15:33
The problem with loading a large amount of albums is an interesting one. I imagine the reason its crashing for you at the moment is because the request for the album list is taking longer than the timeout I've set (30 seconds) and my error handling in this error is probably a bit ropey. I could just increase the timeout (to say, 60 seconds) but that still doesn't seem like the ideal solution - you've still got to wait a minute for the list to load and what if you're library is even larger?

One option is to break the list up in to sections (a-d, e-h etc.) a bit like the SqueezeCenter interface but this seems awkward too and breaks the A-Z index navigation.

Any suggestions?

The green return to call bar problem is a very strange bug...I'll need to try it on my phone to see what happens but this sounds like something the iPhone OS should be handling.



iPeng is better in terms of accessing song and album info.

Could you elaborate on this please?

bephillips
2008-09-15, 16:10
In the iPeng Now Playing screen, if I swipe left, I'm presented with the playlist screen similar to iPod or iSqueeze, I like iSqueeze implementation of this better.

If I sweep right, I'm presented with a track info page that is customizable in the iPeng settings. Mine shows a link to song info, Custom Browse buttons for Album Artist and Song, Custom Browse mix buttons (I have yet to use this CB mix feature) and option for iPeng local playback (which doesn't work with flac files anyway) and a button for the lyrics plugin. I think trackstat is another option.

Choosing song info brings up another page to the left with all the tags and other track info, from here I can navigate to artist or album if I want too. Choosing the lyrics button will bring up the page to the left with lyrics.

bephillips
2008-09-15, 16:19
So, iPeng is better for getting information on the currently playing track, but I still find it difficult to navigate to info about upcoming tracks in the playlist in iPeng. This is why I'd like to be able to access an info link like in iPeng Now Playing for any item in the current playlist.

bephillips
2008-09-15, 16:33
I imagine the reason its crashing for you at the moment is because the request for the album list is taking longer than the timeout I've set (30 seconds) and my error handling in this error is probably a bit ropey.

My Artist list is pretty large too at 2,273 and on startup, after the black screen goes away, only takes about 5 seconds to load.

vitoruch
2008-09-15, 16:35
Iqueeze was a surprisingly fast application...

I did some benchmarks choosing songs (from memory) in different artists from different genres and tracks, and it seemed to me Isqueeze was faster to get there than Ipeng. And Itīs also faster to go up some directories to choose another trach from the same genre.

But Ipeng has a much better (smoother) volume slide bar (and a fast and precise volume change is a critical issue). Still, in Ipeng I can get a full screen with the artwork, and that gives me a much better impression like I really got the Album CD!

Another nice thing is that Ipeng fills the whole screen, as Iqueeze always shows the address bar on the top (so overall Isqueeze text must be a little bit small). But, on the other hand, I didnīt have any fake taps in Iqueeze, as I frequently get in Ipeng (where the page seems to start loading - the addres bar comes down, but suddenly vanishes and the screen doesnīt load)

***

Well, I donīt want to incitate a "run for the gold" between applications, but it seems to me both have very good aspects that can help each other to become both real killing application....

Good luck, guys!

Vitor

bephillips
2008-09-15, 16:48
I'd also like an option to have the Now Playing screen to come up on opening rather than the library screen. I think I would more often want to control the player than browse the library with the iPhone.

vitoruch
2008-09-15, 16:59
Gee..i Think I have reviewed the former Tmarti Isqueeze (now named Mobile)....not the Luke...is that so? Very confusing names and threads yet...

If so, Is it possible to get the luke version?

Thanks,

Vitor

Luke Redpath
2008-09-15, 23:57
Hi vitoruch - yes, you are talking about the other iSqueeze, now named Mobile, which is a SqueezeCenter skin, whereas mine is a native iPhone application. It is currently in the beta testing stage but should hopefully be released on the iTunes app store in the coming months.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-15, 23:58
My Artist list is pretty large too at 2,273 and on startup, after the black screen goes away, only takes about 5 seconds to load.

That's interesting; I'll have to run some benchmarks.

helene
2008-09-19, 00:48
I'd be happy to test it out.

mattybain
2008-09-19, 03:53
I've been testing iSqueeze and I have to say it is amazing, really quick for artists and looks brilliant.

However although album view worked fine at first it now crashes every time, I only have 1,860 albums so not sure why.

Also for some reason LastFM album art doesn't come up and track information doesn't change of the original song although the time progress bar does seem to be correct.

It would also be great if on playing a playlist there were options to play all and to play shuffled a bit like the ipod functionality.

mattybain
2008-09-19, 13:37
After a longer testing period I am still really impressed. This is just what the SBC should have been like, fast, responsive and easy to use.

However one thing is really annoying me and that is that I keep selecting to play a track by accident rather than add it to the playlist. I know what I am supposed to click on it just seems way too sensitive for my chubby fingers.

For me this ruins the whole experience, in my mind it would be better if it defaulted to add to playlist with the secondary option to be play (rather than the other way round like it is at the moment)

Luke Redpath
2008-09-19, 17:19
I've been testing iSqueeze and I have to say it is amazing, really quick for artists and looks brilliant.

However although album view worked fine at first it now crashes every time, I only have 1,860 albums so not sure why.


I'm definitely looking into crashes although I think I'm going to have a find a way to get hold of crash logs from you guys.



Also for some reason LastFM album art doesn't come up

How can I reproduce this locally? I don't use LastFM with my Squeezebox.



and track information doesn't change of the original song although the time progress bar does seem to be correct.


Not sure what you mean - do you mean when the track changes, the track name at the top of the screen doesn't update?



It would also be great if on playing a playlist there were options to play all and to play shuffled a bit like the ipod functionality.

Already on the todo list!

Luke Redpath
2008-09-19, 17:20
However one thing is really annoying me and that is that I keep selecting to play a track by accident rather than add it to the playlist. I know what I am supposed to click on it just seems way too sensitive for my chubby fingers.

For me this ruins the whole experience, in my mind it would be better if it defaulted to add to playlist with the secondary option to be play (rather than the other way round like it is at the moment)

It annoys me too and I'm already working on the way you add tracks to the current playlist, using a "touch and hold" gesture instead of the button on the right - hopefully this will make it into the next beta release over the weekend as I'm really keen to get feedback on this.

mattybain
2008-09-20, 01:29
How can I reproduce this locally? I don't use LastFM with my Squeezebox.


Not sure, it doesn't cost anything to sign up though.



Not sure what you mean - do you mean when the track changes, the track name at the top of the screen doesn't update?


Yes exactly it doesn't update the track name.

Luke Redpath
2008-09-20, 03:08
Thats strange, it updates just fine for me.

mattybain
2008-09-20, 06:04
Thats strange, it updates just fine for me.

I'm not using the offical lastfm plugin as I like to skip more than 5 tracks an hour.

It's weird the playlist updates straight away with the new track details but the now playing screen stays firmly on the old track. If I close and re-open the isqueeze application it does update.

Do you get album art on yours?

Psyduck
2008-09-23, 00:25
What's the current status of iSqueeze?
Is there a rough roadmap/timeline for this project?

Luke Redpath
2008-09-24, 08:44
It's currently in it's beta testing stage. It may take a month or so to get to a 1.0 release. Then it's up to Apple. Assuming my contract has been activated by then, it depends on how long it takes to get it into the App store.

beetlejuice
2008-10-04, 02:35
Hi,

I would be interested in getting betatester as well. I have been playing with this Remote App delivered for free by Apple, and if I don't have an alternative soon (as this iSqueeze that seems very, very promising to me), I will switch to Apple TV + Remote App :-)

Thanks,

Borgen
2008-10-07, 23:45
Would also like to beta test this.

Or if it is to late to join the betatest, how does the work go? When can we expect to see the application in AppStore?

mattybain
2008-10-08, 00:21
Would also like to beta test this.

Or if it is to late to join the betatest, how does the work go? When can we expect to see the application in AppStore?

Luke is probably the best one to answer this but I got the impression that he had more than enough people apply to test the software.

As a user of iSqueeze I can see that Luke is getting on with it nicely, the interface is looking great and perfomance is spot on. Much quicker than the SBC that I used to use.

Luke has been ironing out some bugs and we are waiting for 0.92 to be released any time soon.

IMO it is looking pretty polished and should be ready for release soon maybe as by the end of the month.

Psyduck
2008-10-08, 00:32
Would it be possible to get some sneak peaks and a rough list of functionality?

mattybain
2008-10-08, 09:41
Would it be possible to get some sneak peaks and a rough list of functionality?

Can't post any screenshots but in terms of functionality and GUI it behaves very much like the ipod player which is perfect for me. It's pretty quick too.

The touchscreen adds another level of usability from the SC and fast scrolling is just brilliant.

Luke Redpath
2008-10-08, 17:01
I've asked beta testers not to post any screenshots but I will try and get some updated screenies up on here some time this week, as the UI is close to it's final state now.

Re: features, I've tried to focus on getting the basics right for the first release so it certainly won't be as feature packed as the web interface and probably not iPeng either but a rough list of features is:

* Browse library by artist -> album or all albums (with artwork)
* Browse new music
* Browse playlists
* Control multiple devices on a network
* Play entire albums or individual tracks, or queue tracks at the end of the current playlist
* Now Playing view much like the built-in iPod app, with full size artwork, volume, play, pause, skip controls.
* Playlist control, including tap to select a track, playlist editing (move/delete/clear).

And I've just got real-time push notifications from the server working using the standard CLI, which means no more polling of the JSON-RPC interface for state changes.

Psyduck
2008-10-09, 00:09
Sounds great!

Will the artwork be cached in the iPhone/iPod?
How about coverflow, is it working?

Luke Redpath
2008-10-09, 05:46
The artwork on the album view is cached (as is the album list itself). The artwork on the now playing view isn't. No coverflow I'm afraid; it's not trivial and probably beyond my knowledge of Core Animation.

gramels
2008-10-09, 08:43
I think the price shall be no higher that 5 CHF (6 U$) especially
since some people want to have it for all their iphones in the family.
Or make a fimily bundle in case the app store supports that.
Or consider a release for jailbroken devices using installer or cydia reps.

pippin
2008-10-09, 10:13
I think the price shall be no higher that 5 CHF (6 U$) especially
since some people want to have it for all their iphones in the family.
Or make a fimily bundle in case the app store supports that.
Or consider a release for jailbroken devices using installer or cydia reps.

That shouldn't be in Luke's interest.

On the AppStore you pay per account and then the software is automatically installed on all devices bound to that account.

vincoz
2008-10-09, 20:19
Hi,

I'm stuck on Slimserver 6.5.4 (upgrade to a more recent version failed) and still have the 1.1.5 iPodtouch firmware - is there any chance for me to use your app or do I need to upgrade one, or the 2 components?

Regards, Vincoz.

pippin
2008-10-09, 22:57
Hi,

I'm stuck on Slimserver 6.5.4 (upgrade to a more recent version failed) and still have the 1.1.5 iPodtouch firmware - is there any chance for me to use your app or do I need to upgrade one, or the 2 components?

Regards, Vincoz.

There is a 1.1.5 firmware? What is it? Bugfixes for iPod touch for users who did not pay the 10$ to get to 2.0?

Luke Redpath
2008-10-10, 03:37
Hi,

I'm stuck on Slimserver 6.5.4 (upgrade to a more recent version failed) and still have the 1.1.5 iPodtouch firmware - is there any chance for me to use your app or do I need to upgrade one, or the 2 components?

Regards, Vincoz.

You can only purchase apps from the app store with the 2.0 firmware or greater as far as I'm aware, and iSqueeze will require SqueezeCenter 7 I'm afraid.

vitoruch
2008-10-16, 10:57
This is a question for both Luke and Pippin - since Iīm a heavy user from Iphone remotes for Squeeze!

I live in Brazil, and U probably have potential customers for your appl spread out all over the world.

So, could U please put your app in the worldwide App store? I see that some applications are available, for example, only in the US - And I donīt get that: is there an extra-charge from Apple for full availability - or itīs just a developerīs decision?

Thanks!

Vitor

pippin
2008-10-16, 12:27
neither of Both. You HAVE TO go through the app store for distribution.

So it will come...

BTW, did you get my PM?

vitoruch
2008-10-16, 13:29
neither of Both. You HAVE TO go through the app store for distribution.

So it will come...

BTW, did you get my PM?

OK, Pippin, I meant it seemed to me that different countries have different App store policies (so that not necessarely all app could be on all countries that have an App store)...but letīs just wait and see...

** Most important now, Yes, I dit get your PM, and have answered it now, properly!

Cheers,

Vitor

hifial
2008-10-21, 13:33
Hi Guys just wondering how close we are to an app store release of Isqueeze?

Luke Redpath
2008-10-21, 15:20
In the final stages of beta-testing now, hoping to upload it to the app store in a few weeks.

PRGeno
2008-10-21, 18:36
neither of Both. You HAVE TO go through the app store for distribution.

So it will come...



pippin,

I feel the need to respectfully correct you. Technically you don't "HAVE TO" go through the AppStore. Apple's heavy handed tactics for controlling the platform has many developers upset. Waiting endlessly to have apps approved (and often not being approved for ambiguous reasons), together with their ultra-restrictive terms in the SDK agreement, has many developers pretty fed up.

The AppStore was supposed to kill the iPhone Jailbroken apps, but seems to still be feeding the need for it.

The AppStore is obviously the best way to profit from iPhone development. It has wide spread distribution access to potentially every single iPhone user. But many developers are still making money by selling Jailbroken apps via Cydia, when Apple feels the need to restrict their trade. Jailbreaking is safe, easy, and opens the iPhone's full potential.

I can only hope that if for some reason, known only by Apple, Luke's or your apps get rejected, that you will consider going the Cydia route.

Good luck to both of you, and we all look forward to the fruits of your labors.

P.S. A Sonos controller app just showed up in the AppStore today.

Borgen
2008-10-27, 04:46
In the final stages of beta-testing now, hoping to upload it to the app store in a few weeks.

How are the beta testing developing?

I really want this app in my iPhone!

Is it possible to indicate a release date?

benhaines
2008-10-28, 07:35
Looking forward to it! Never know may be my first purchased app ;)

jackaninny
2008-10-28, 13:29
pippin,

I feel the need to respectfully correct you. Technically you don't "HAVE TO" go through the AppStore. Apple's heavy handed tactics for controlling the platform has many developers upset. Waiting endlessly to have apps approved (and often not being approved for ambiguous reasons), together with their ultra-restrictive terms in the SDK agreement, has many developers pretty fed up.

The AppStore was supposed to kill the iPhone Jailbroken apps, but seems to still be feeding the need for it.

The AppStore is obviously the best way to profit from iPhone development. It has wide spread distribution access to potentially every single iPhone user. But many developers are still making money by selling Jailbroken apps via Cydia, when Apple feels the need to restrict their trade. Jailbreaking is safe, easy, and opens the iPhone's full potential.

I can only hope that if for some reason, known only by Apple, Luke's or your apps get rejected, that you will consider going the Cydia route.

Good luck to both of you, and we all look forward to the fruits of your labors.

P.S. A Sonos controller app just showed up in the AppStore today.

i'm not sure which developers you are referring to but many developers are finding quite a bit of profit going through the app store and very satisfied with the ease of distribution and payment collection. the developers that are unhappy with the approval process with legitimate reasons are a small minority. also i believe apple is loosening the "ultra-restrictive terms" ( see the removal of the NDA) as the process and app store mature.

sorry if i sound like apple apologist but i think people should recognize that apple is working with a entirely new model of software distribution on a totally new platform. have they made mistakes? yes. have they made changes for the better? yes. is the app store as it stands one of the best distribution platforms out there? yes and probably by a fair margin.

bottom line - jailbreaking is fine but for the author it means 1)a fraction if any compensation for their efforts 2)a much smaller audience for their software.

PRGeno
2008-10-29, 20:17
i'm not sure which developers you are referring to but many developers are finding quite a bit of profit going through the app store and very satisfied with the ease of distribution and payment collection. the developers that are unhappy with the approval process with legitimate reasons are a small minority. also i believe apple is loosening the "ultra-restrictive terms" ( see the removal of the NDA) as the process and app store mature.

sorry if i sound like apple apologist but i think people should recognize that apple is working with a entirely new model of software distribution on a totally new platform. have they made mistakes? yes. have they made changes for the better? yes. is the app store as it stands one of the best distribution platforms out there? yes and probably by a fair margin.

bottom line - jailbreaking is fine but for the author it means 1)a fraction if any compensation for their efforts 2)a much smaller audience for their software.


I agree with you. As I stated, the AppStore is, without a doubt, the best distribution channel for profitting from iPhone development. I was simply commenting that iPhone developers don't "HAVE TO" go through the AppStore.

Apple does seem to be loosening their iron fisted grip, a little. But they still have the most restrictive SDK and NDA rules ever seen for a mainstream computing platform. They also take an inordinate amount of time to approve apps for the AppStore, and have seemingly arbitrarily rejected some legitimately fine apps.

It makes one wonder if this is the same Apple that released that famous 1984 ad. If you don't remember it, you can check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dODhLDUZEak

benhaines
2008-11-06, 03:44
Hey Luke,

Any update for us poor people? Been searching the app store daily :)

Thanks.

benhaines
2008-11-06, 03:46
Sorry missed this post... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=356846#post356846

Very soon then. Thanks!