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Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-30, 16:28
About a month ago =>

sean adams wrote:
>
> I've estimated CPU cost and I believe it should fit. The proof is in
> the putting though and we'll know when it's done. There are also some
> improvements that will be made to TCP which should improve performance
> significantly when there's packet loss.
....
> Over the next month or so this next firmware update will be coming
> together and I will have more updates.
>
>> dean blackketter wrote:
>>> Client-side FLAC decoding may be possible in Squeezebox, Sean's
>>> investigating it now.
....

So any updates? I am partly asking because I was looking through
http://bugs.slimdevices.com and noticed that, while there is one
for native AAC playback, there is nothing for native FLAC which
seemed to be imminent a month ago. Perhaps we could open one
unless it is almost done right now :-). If you need some beta
testing my virtually all FLAC collection is waiting.

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Daryle A. Tilroe

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-31, 16:47
Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?


Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
> About a month ago =>
>
> sean adams wrote:
> >
>
>> I've estimated CPU cost and I believe it should fit. The proof is in
>> the putting though and we'll know when it's done. There are also some
>> improvements that will be made to TCP which should improve performance
>> significantly when there's packet loss.
>
> ...
>
>> Over the next month or so this next firmware update will be coming
>> together and I will have more updates.
>>
>>> dean blackketter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Client-side FLAC decoding may be possible in Squeezebox, Sean's
>>>> investigating it now.
>>>
> ...
>
> So any updates? I am partly asking because I was looking through
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com and noticed that, while there is one
> for native AAC playback, there is nothing for native FLAC which
> seemed to be imminent a month ago. Perhaps we could open one
> unless it is almost done right now :-). If you need some beta
> testing my virtually all FLAC collection is waiting.
>

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

Dan Sully
2004-03-31, 17:00
* Daryle A. Tilroe <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com> shaped the electrons to say...

>Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?

Please check the archives. They are working as hard and fast as they can. Bug
fixes come first, features second.

-D
--
<poxaV> the best information-gathering weapon is disinformation dispersal

Tom Newton
2004-03-31, 17:16
Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:


>>> dean blackketter wrote:
>>>> Client-side FLAC decoding may be possible in Squeezebox, Sean's
>>>> investigating it now.
> ...
>
> So any updates? I am partly asking because I was looking through
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com and noticed that, while there is one
> for native AAC playback, there is nothing for native FLAC which
> seemed to be imminent a month ago. Perhaps we could open one
> unless it is almost done right now :-). If you need some beta
> testing my virtually all FLAC collection is waiting.

I'd love to see FLAC & Ogg natively supported, my server (600Mhz via,
fanless) just can't handle the load of re-encoding to mp3, and wav is a
heck of a lot of bandwidth.

--

Tom Newton

seanadams
2004-03-31, 17:19
Hellooooo!

It's still on my list. I've been working on a big firmware update which
will be released tomorrow. Lots of bug fixes. Then I can have a go at
flac.


On Mar 31, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:

> Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?
>
>
> Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
>> About a month ago =>
>> sean adams wrote:
>> >
>>> I've estimated CPU cost and I believe it should fit. The proof is in
>>> the putting though and we'll know when it's done. There are also
>>> some improvements that will be made to TCP which should improve
>>> performance significantly when there's packet loss.
>> ...
>>> Over the next month or so this next firmware update will be coming
>>> together and I will have more updates.
>>>
>>>> dean blackketter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Client-side FLAC decoding may be possible in Squeezebox, Sean's
>>>>> investigating it now.
>>>>
>> ...
>> So any updates? I am partly asking because I was looking through
>> http://bugs.slimdevices.com and noticed that, while there is one
>> for native AAC playback, there is nothing for native FLAC which
>> seemed to be imminent a month ago. Perhaps we could open one
>> unless it is almost done right now :-). If you need some beta
>> testing my virtually all FLAC collection is waiting.
>
> --
> Daryle A. Tilroe
>
>

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-31, 18:19
Dan Sully wrote:
> * Daryle A. Tilroe <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com> shaped the electrons to say...
>
>> Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?
>
>
> Please check the archives. They are working as hard and fast as they
> can. Bug
> fixes come first, features second.

:-( I'm not sure I appreciate the tone but perhaps I am taking
it to condescendingly; in any event:

1. I am well aware of the archives. Indeed it was my original
thread I was quoting.

2. I am sure they are working as hard and fast as they can. I
just was curious since a month had elapsed since Sean said
they would have an update in about a month. A simple
"been busy with bugs be at least a few more weeks" would
be fine.

3. Of course bug fixes come first but AFAIK the bug tracking
systems is supposed to be used for enhancements as well.
Indeed, as I said, native AAC playback is in there but
not native FLAC (as far as I could see).

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Daryle A. Tilroe

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-31, 18:23
Sean Adams wrote:

> It's still on my list. I've been working on a big firmware update which
> will be released tomorrow. Lots of bug fixes. Then I can have a go at flac.

Thanks so much. That's all I was looking for. As for the
bug tracking: what's the deal there? Shouldn't all bugs and
enhancements be documented in that database? Mostly just
my observation on native AAC being there vs. native FLAC
seemingly being absent. If it was there I wouldn't even
have to ask I could just look up the status. :-)

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

kdf
2004-03-31, 18:31
Quoting "Daryle A. Tilroe" <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com>:

> Dan Sully wrote:
> > * Daryle A. Tilroe <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com> shaped the electrons to say...
> >
> >> Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?

er...how can you write this --^

> >
> > Please check the archives. They are working as hard and fast as they
> > can. Bug
> > fixes come first, features second.
>
> :-( I'm not sure I appreciate the tone but perhaps I am taking
> it to condescendingly; in any event:

and then get upset about someone's tone? Regardless, I think it was just a
harmless b-flat. ;)

I think the obvious point (aside from no-one intending any offense) is that Sean
has stated once before that he's 'investigating' native FLAC. Software/Firmware
is just one of those things that is done when its done. What you are asking, is
simply answered by reiterating - "its under investigation". If anything, by
asking evey month, the time it takes for Sean and Dean to be reading email
(often enough to answer any given user's question before s/he gets upset from a
lack of response) is taken away from work that can be done to forward your cause.

You are always fee to add bug reports/feature requests to bugs.slimdevices.com
at any time. I think that's why the permissions have been left wide open to do
so. If you are worried it will be forgotton, please put in a report, so that
any important updates/comment have a place to be recorded. I know for a fact
that I check that list daily and I dont even work for Slim Devices.

-kdf

kdf
2004-03-31, 18:32
Quoting "Daryle A. Tilroe" <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com>:

> Sean Adams wrote:
>
> > It's still on my list. I've been working on a big firmware update which
> > will be released tomorrow. Lots of bug fixes. Then I can have a go at
> flac.
>
> Thanks so much. That's all I was looking for. As for the
> bug tracking: what's the deal there? Shouldn't all bugs and
> enhancements be documented in that database? Mostly just
> my observation on native AAC being there vs. native FLAC
> seemingly being absent. If it was there I wouldn't even
> have to ask I could just look up the status. :-)
>
Best to report it yoruself, as opposed to requesting someone enter it for you.
If you are the reporter, you will get an email when any activity is entered on
that report.

-kdf

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-31, 20:32
kdf wrote:

>>>* Daryle A. Tilroe <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com> shaped the electrons to say...
>>>>Helloooo....?? Sean? Dean? Anyone at Slim?
>
> er...how can you write this --^
>
....
>
> and then get upset about someone's tone?

I don't think I see. I asked the question for the third time in five
days and was just wondering if anyone was listening. Sort of
a 'hello out there is anyone listening'. I certainly saw no negative
tone; only perhaps a plaintive cry from me for sympathy :-); and
certainly apologize if anyone (ie. Sean or Dean) took umbrage.

> Regardless, I think it was just a harmless b-flat. ;)

True I probably over reacted a bit; I guess I felt slapped down just
because I was trying to get an answer. Anyhow enough said, I'd head
over to usenet if I wanted a pointless flamefest. We're all adults who
occasionally have misunderstandings (and problems with Squeezeboxes ;-).
Let's just move on.

> You are always fee to add bug reports/feature requests to bugs.slimdevices.com
> at any time. I think that's why the permissions have been left wide open to do
> so. If you are worried it will be forgotton, please put in a report, so that
> any important updates/comment have a place to be recorded. I know for a fact
> that I check that list daily and I dont even work for Slim Devices.

Now you see this is really useful. I did not actually try to add a bug to
the database. I had always assumed it was locked down to the extent that
one had to request a new entry. Does this also mean that it does not really
reflect the complete list and actual priorities of all bugs and feature
requests? In any event since I know I can (perhaps I'm even expected to
do so) I will pop of and put a stake in the ground for FLAC.

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

kdf
2004-03-31, 20:51
Quoting "Daryle A. Tilroe" <daryle (AT) micralyne (DOT) com>:


> Now you see this is really useful. I did not actually try to add a bug to
> the database. I had always assumed it was locked down to the extent that
> one had to request a new entry. Does this also mean that it does not really
> reflect the complete list and actual priorities of all bugs and feature
> requests? In any event since I know I can (perhaps I'm even expected to
> do so) I will pop of and put a stake in the ground for FLAC.

Bring it on! :)

It should be open to any user who wants to add a bug report or feature request.
From that point on, its closed. This prevents ppl from arbitrarily changing
status without proper permission levels to do so. As many of the developers are
independant types, the priorities aren't easy to define.

Anything easy and quick to fix, certainly takes a priority, as do showstopping
bugs. Feature enhancements are something that takes a bit more time, especially
with Firmware since this all rests with Sean. The license for the code compiler
is not compatible with open-source, tho there has been some discussion with the
vendor into how to make something work. Any features that can be done in
software, is just a matter of someone choosing to take it on.

-kdf

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-03-31, 21:16
kdf wrote:

> Bring it on! :)

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=230

I hope it wasn't to presumptuous but I assigned it to Sean
since AFAIK (and from what you have said) he is the only
firmware guy. Now this FLACzealot will go shut up for
a while; about FLAC that is :-).

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Daryle A. Tilroe