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TurnipFarmer
2008-08-01, 13:20
Ive almost ripped all of my CDs and want to store all my CDs safely. What do people think of storing them in plastic boxes and putting them in the loft?

My only reservation about this is the cold winters and hot summers (if we have them here in the UK) could damage them.

Anybody have any other ideas that I could do?

pfarrell
2008-08-01, 13:29
TurnipFarmer wrote:
> What do people think of storing them in plastic boxes and putting them
> in the loft?
> My only reservation about this is the cold winters and hot summers (if
> we have them here in the UK) could damage them.

I store mine in the basement. less temperature swing than the attic/loft.

But I didn't think the UK had summers? isn't it cold and rainy all the time?

I wouldn't expect that the winter would hurt them much, does it get much
below say -15 C?


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

TurnipFarmer
2008-08-01, 13:33
Well we have a sort of Summer ;-)

It does not get below -15 in the winter here, and sadly I live in a flat so dont have a basement.

So you think they will be ok in the loft?

egd
2008-08-01, 13:34
Put them in plastic sleaves and discard the casings. Storage space required will decrease markedly and it may well become feasible to put your entire collection in a box inside a cupboard or something along those lines.

asteinmetz
2008-08-01, 14:53
Worry less about how, and more about where. Store them offsite. Your Mum's flat, or whatever.

jh901
2008-08-01, 15:50
That's a great idea- offsite. But I too am curious as to how people who have, say, a thousand+ CDs store and organize. What about the booklets, etc??



Worry less about how, and more about where. Store them offsite. Your Mum's flat, or whatever.

htrd
2008-08-01, 16:02
TurnipFarmer wrote:

>
> Ive almost ripped all of my CDs and want to store all my CDs safely.
> What do people think of storing them in plastic boxes and putting them
> in the loft?

My CDs are in a loft in the UK.

Damp is your enemy. Have you stored things in this loft before to know
whether it gets damp? If the plastic box is airtight and watertight it
should be ok. Throw in some desiccant (silica gel) to make sure it stays
dry. If your plastic box isnt airtight then there is a risk it might stay
damp, and a sturdy cardboard box might be a better bet.

morris_minor
2008-08-01, 16:50
I use these boxes:

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b18_0litre.php

The 18 litre box holds about 90 CDs in cases, and is really sturdy; the lid locks in place.

Hope this helps.

funkstar
2008-08-02, 00:00
I use these boxes:

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b18_0litre.php

The 18 litre box holds about 90 CDs in cases, and is really sturdy; the lid locks in place.

Hope this helps.
Snap. I use exactly the same boxes. I have 15 of them stacked on a pallet on the top shelf of some racking in the warehouse at work :)

Same deal for my DVDs but they are in 35L boxes.

MrSinatra
2008-08-03, 10:57
i built a wood rack, ~8 foot tall. it consists of two sides and 3 round wood dowels per level. this allows the sides to be adjustable so i could slide them up or down the dowels so i could find and affix them to the studs in my wall.

i think it looks great with all my cds on it. (i even made a middle level for DVDs)

andynormancx
2008-08-03, 11:07
Lofts even in the UK can get surprisingly hot in the summer, which is why my servers live in the slightly damp garage rather than the drier loft. I did some tests a few summers ago, tracking the temperature over the summer and on some days it was over 45 degrees C in the loft. It wasn't an unusually hot summer, but as soon as the temperature reaches 25 degrees outside it can get crazy hot in the roof.

The servers have coped fine in the garage for the last 5 years, though I do sometimes turn on the dehumidifier when there are days of heavy rain.

Nonreality
2008-08-03, 13:00
I use these boxes:

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b18_0litre.php

The 18 litre box holds about 90 CDs in cases, and is really sturdy; the lid locks in place.

Hope this helps.
Looks like that company is coming to the US in August. I'll have to order some then. Thanks for the info.

So is a Flat just another name for an apartment? Is a loft like an attic or is it a full upper room?

egd
2008-08-03, 14:26
i built a wood rack, ~8 foot tall. it consists of two sides and 3 round wood dowels per level. this allows the sides to be adjustable so i could slide them up or down the dowels so i could find and affix them to the studs in my wall.

i think it looks great with all my cds on it. (i even made a middle level for DVDs)

Would you mind posting a picture for us. I'm going to be relocating later this year and will have a listening room/ study for myself again. I was thinking of putting in some shelving/ cabinetry to house all my CDs (I don't intend moving again for a long time to come).

bonze
2008-08-03, 14:42
So is a Flat just another name for an apartment? Is a loft like an attic or is it a full upper room?"Two nations separated by a common language"

andynormancx
2008-08-03, 15:45
So is a Flat just another name for an apartment? Is a loft like an attic or is it a full upper room?
Yes, flat == apartment. Loft == attic.

tbessie
2008-08-03, 18:00
I've taken all my CDs and DVDs out of their cases and put them into binders. The DVDs go in DVD sleeves that hold the inserts, and the CDs go in ones made for them as well. I have had to do some folding for some larger inserts/covers. Some special booklets I keep in the front or back of the binders. Nice "collectible" (yeah, right) cases I just toss out - they look nice, but don't provide any extra information usually.

I keep the binders in cupboards and bookcases in my flat.

- Tim

Nonreality
2008-08-03, 22:06
Yes, flat == apartment. Loft == attic.
Thanks, I've always assumed that but finally thought I had better ask from people that know. Most of apartments here don't have attics so that confused me a bit.

Nonreality
2008-08-03, 22:08
"Two nations separated by a common language"

So true isn't it. That's why I like forums like this. It learns me in the ways of the world. :) Then again I'm the only one dumb enough to actually ask.

funkstar
2008-08-04, 00:04
Yes, flat == apartment. Loft == attic.
I'll just complicate some things :)

New build properties are refered to as appartment blocks, estate agets don't like to advertise "flats" these days. So in my mind, an apartment is a new place, a flat is a traditional or older place.

A loft to me is almost a proper room. Usually not quite up to building regs. (building regulations, or 'code'), but good enough. An attic it really just the roof space you fill with junk, has cables from your lighting circuit spread about, lots of protruding nails to cut your head open, and glass fiber insulation to make your hand itch.

I live in a flat built in about 1880 from 12" wide granite blocks. I'm on the ground floor (note: not the 1st, thats upstairs) so don't have an attic.... or a basement unfortunitely.

El_Thicko
2008-08-04, 04:34
I'm on the ground floor (note: not the 1st, thats upstairs) so don't have an attic.... or a basement unfortunitely.

Nonreality might also like to know that not many of us here in the UK have basements. Which is a pity because our own loft is pretty much bursting at the seams right now and some extra storage space would come in useful. :)

bigfool1956
2008-08-04, 05:55
In fact if we do have a space below the ground floor, it is more likely to be a cellar rather than a usable basement (or lower ground floor in posh speak).

El_Thicko
2008-08-04, 07:02
And if we're really posh, we're likely to keep some nice bottles of wine in that cold, damp cellar (or lower ground floor). Hah! If only... :)

Nonreality
2008-08-04, 07:55
Nonreality might also like to know that not many of us here in the UK have basements. Which is a pity because our own loft is pretty much bursting at the seams right now and some extra storage space would come in useful. :)My house has a basement which I do like having. I used to like it more but now my knees just don't seem to enjoy it as much. I does stay a nice temp all year long.

bigfool1956
2008-08-04, 08:16
And if we're really posh, we're likely to keep some nice bottles of wine in that cold, damp cellar (or lower ground floor). Hah! If only... :)

Not some Newky Brown?

chrisinparis
2008-08-04, 09:55
And if we're really posh, we're likely to keep some nice bottles of wine in that cold, damp cellar (or lower ground floor). Hah! If only... :)

But if the wine is any good, then it needs to be a temperature controlled room, like my gf's parents have. I did want to store some wine (you know, three cases of the year my daughter was born, one for her at age 18, one for her party/drinking with friends, and one case just for me of course :)) in the cellar of their country house, but they advised heavily against it because of the temp variations between Summer/Winter (this is a whatever century farm house with very thick walls, so I was suprised).

Nonreality
2008-08-04, 23:47
But if the wine is any good, then it needs to be a temperature controlled room, like my gf's parents have. I did want to store some wine (you know, three cases of the year my daughter was born, one for her at age 18, one for her party/drinking with friends, and one case just for me of course :)) in the cellar of their country house, but they advised heavily against it because of the temp variations between Summer/Winter (this is a whatever century farm house with very thick walls, so I was suprised).
I'm sorry but I don't want my wine to be at your girlfriends parents house. Just doesn't work for me.

El_Thicko
2008-08-07, 14:03
Not some Newky Brown?

That would require too much self-control. I'd never get 'em past the lounger in front of the TV. ;-)

TurnipFarmer
2008-09-05, 04:08
Is this the cheapest that you can get these boxes from? They look like just what I want and need.

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b18_0litre.php

morris_minor
2008-09-05, 04:16
If you're in the UK Rymans offer free carriage for orders over 35 (though their unit cost is a little higher). I think Really Useful's carriage is 11.75 . . .

http://www.ryman.co.uk/Really-Useful-Box-18-litre-extra-large-0161206332.asp

MuckleEck
2008-09-05, 04:52
I thin viking also offer free carriage

http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/sku%2Fbusiness%2FReally-Useful-Box-18-Litre/pr=Q29&id=18LC/

and BTW I have a temperatiure controlled cupboard in my garage for the wine...don't have a cellar/basement/lower ground floor!!!

funkstar
2008-09-05, 12:53
Staples usually have them in stock if there is one near you. I think the larger PC world stored (the ones with business centers) stock some of the ReallyUsefulBox range.

TurnipFarmer
2008-09-21, 05:45
Staples usually have them in stock if there is one near you. I think the larger PC world stored (the ones with business centers) stock some of the ReallyUsefulBox range.

Thanks funkstar, went there today and picked up 5. Just to let everyone know that they are the cheapest from Staples (in UK only) 7.99 each.

MikeekiM
2008-09-21, 08:50
I use these boxes:

http://www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/uk/html/onlineshop/rub/b18_0litre.php

The 18 litre box holds about 90 CDs in cases, and is really sturdy; the lid locks in place.

Hope this helps.


Snap. I use exactly the same boxes. I have 15 of them stacked on a pallet on the top shelf of some racking in the warehouse at work :)

Same deal for my DVDs but they are in 35L boxes.


Looks like that company is coming to the US in August. I'll have to order some then. Thanks for the info.

So is a Flat just another name for an apartment? Is a loft like an attic or is it a full upper room?

Great thread, as I am in the process of getting my CDs out of sight, and storing them safely... Here is a great stackable container I found at the Container Store (they are made by "Iris")... They store 57 CDs, which I find to be the perfect weight and size for handling...because they are see through, I can very quickly find what I need... And they stack really nicely... I bought two so far just to figure out the fit in my storage space... I am going back this afternoon to get 10 more...

Nice thing, is that they also store DVDs nicely... Blu-Ray is a bit smaller...so they don't fit as tightly...but obviously with them being smaller, you can store more of them...

The Container Store
http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?searchId=16125484&itemIndex=1&CATID=225&PRODID=71134

Organize It
http://www.organizeit.com/poiris-mediabox.asp

A Google Search For More Pricing and Pictures
http://www.google.com/products?q=iris+media+box&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

th00ht
2008-09-21, 09:02
Mine are transfixed in SoftCover (www.cdsoftcover.ch) covers and stored in a IKEA Billy (or Butty, not sure) cupboard.

MikeekiM
2008-09-21, 09:09
Mine are transfixed in SoftCover (www.cdsoftcover.ch) covers and stored in a IKEA Billy (or Butty, not sure) cupboard.

I like to store the CD in it's original packaging and artwork in case I wish to sell it to a second-hand music store...

Also, my friend went the route of storing his in plastic sleeves that were designed specifically for CD storage (he did not use some home made solution), and the CDs that have silkscreened labeling ended up sticking to the plastic...when he took the CD out of the sleeve after about a year in storage, he was unable to get some of his CDs out without damaging the top of the CD... Again, this was only for the CDs with the colored/silkscreened labeling...

Here is an interesting link on CD/DVD storage/archiving from the Florida State Library and Archives... They specifically recommend using jewel cases that "float" the disc on a spindle, as opposed to anything that results in physical contact...

http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/archives/preservation/dvds/index.cfm

Don't get me wrong...not trying to criticize here at all... In fact, I was just about ready to pull the trigger on buying 500 sleeves for this very purpose...the space savings is a very compelling and attractive option... But after my friend's experience, as well as this article (and others like it), I have decided to go the heavy/bulky route of storage...much to my dismay...

th00ht
2008-09-21, 09:23
your friend did not use the original patented CD SoftCover(tm)(R) sleeves!

or did he? (does (s)he store CD's in (sub)tropical conditions?

My sleeves are doing just fine for the last 12 months.

Thanks for the link. I never store my music on burnables because I pay to listen to music and all music I own was burned by Sony, EMI, or what have you. Soda spill on The Disc? <shudder>. My disks are handled only while wearing latex gloves.

Do not expect burnable CDs to stay alive for more than 5-10 years. regardless of how they are stored.

MikeekiM
2008-09-22, 07:00
No... I don't know what kind of sleeves he uses...

Was that article just on burned media? Sorry about that...I guess that is what I get for skimming the article, eh?

So what are others doing? The CD envelope route, or the keeping-the-case route? I picked up 10 more (for a total of 12) of those Iris Media Cases, and it STILL was not enough for my CDs and DVDs...

I guess that brings up another great question... How are you all storing your DVD movies? Do you use similar, or completely different strategies... I have a small house, so displaying all my movies and music is not preferable...I like them to be out of sight...but accessible if needed... DVD's seem to take up a crapload of space...

androidtopp
2008-09-22, 13:32
Mine are transfixed in SoftCover (www.cdsoftcover.ch) covers and stored in a IKEA Billy (or Butty, not sure) cupboard.

One of those Billy towers holds a pretty good amount of CDs - and four of them together look nice behind a couple glass doors. One of the few decent looking items Ikea has managed to produce.

Granted I probably don't have the biggest CD collection ever, but one of those holds, what, ~90ish CDs, even in the cases? Four of them do me fine, but I'm beginning to crowd a bit. To me, part of buying a CD is getting the packaging. Some of it is either well done or even interesting. Seems a shame to just pitch it.

MikeekiM
2008-09-22, 14:01
One of those Billy towers holds a pretty good amount of CDs - and four of them together look nice behind a couple glass doors. One of the few decent looking items Ikea has managed to produce.

Granted I probably don't have the biggest CD collection ever, but one of those holds, what, ~90ish CDs, even in the cases? Four of them do me fine, but I'm beginning to crowd a bit. To me, part of buying a CD is getting the packaging. Some of it is either well done or even interesting. Seems a shame to just pitch it.

I am somewhat of a purist... I know my friend put his in sleeves and then tossed the cases and the back-liners...just keeping the booklet that makes up the front cover... I could not get myself to toss the back-liners, so I would likely do this in two steps... Put them in liners to save space (assuming I need to access them from time to time)...and store the cases in the attic or garage with the back-liners... Or just keep it all together and store them together... I opt for the latter...especially since I don't need ready access to any of them... The only problem is that with the first strategy, I could store the cases in the garage/attic without a big concern over heat... But with the CDs in them, I need to store them in a less extreme environment... Thus the Iris Media Boxes... :)

th00ht
2008-11-02, 04:42
<snip>
To me, part of buying a CD is getting the packaging. Some of it is either well done or even interesting. Seems a shame to just pitch it.
</snip>

Could not agree more. But I can hardly think that any cover designer had polystyrene "jewel-cases" in mind. By tossing the jewel cases and keeping the artwork (in the plastic sleeves I mentioned there is room for cd, back liner, and booklet) I saved space without loosing any thing. Also the more interesting covers (ECM is one of them, and Radiohead of course) that do without plastic casing still have room and sit nicely side by side with the common ones.

In case I go backrupt and need to sell my collection I can still create the original state of all CDs

Howard Passman
2008-11-02, 05:01
My old Revox CD player still sounds better than my SBR, SB3 or BOOM. I don't have a Transporter, but from what I have been consistenly told, it is a bit brighter and sterile than I'd like.

Whenever I want to really sit and completely enjoy my music I still slap a CD in. I love my SB's, but I don't believe they can ever replace a very good 2 channel set up.

The CD's stay on the shelves.

Howard

Bixby
2008-11-02, 05:45
I use and prefer the Uline CD mailing boxes.

http://www.uline.com/BL_1451/CD-Jewel-Case-Mailers-Corrugated

They're sturdy enough to ship 25 or 50 CDs in, so plenty sturdy to store. And they're just corrugated cardboard, so I can write on them and label the contents (I give all ripped CDs a number in the comments field). I prefer the 25-CD boxes, and they're easily handled and are small enough to be very flexible on how you store them. Only downside is you have to buy them in bulk, but considering the size of most people's collection on this forum, that's likely not a problem, as you'll probably be using them!

th00ht
2008-12-04, 12:24
I use and prefer the Uline CD mailing boxes.

So where do you store the "artwork"? Is there room in these for that as well?

funkstar
2008-12-04, 13:14
So where do you store the "artwork"? Is there room in these for that as well?
I would assume Bixby just puts the CD's, cases and all into the this (http://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?model=S-6492&ref=1451) or this (http://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?model=S-10389&ref=1451)

JSonnabend
2008-12-04, 14:23
I use these (http://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?model=S-4640&ref=403) from Uline. They hold about 106 CD's each and are easily stackable.

- Jeff

lanierb
2008-12-04, 15:33
This discussion reminds me of stock certificates, which banks used to store for you to prove your ownership.

It's ridiculous that we all duplicate each others efforts in ripping the same CDs zillions of times, and then store stacks of these useless pieces of plastic in our closets just to prove that we own the copyright.

th00ht
2008-12-04, 15:53
It is the EMI's, the Sony's and not least the riaa's of this world that want us to buy plastic; not music.

http://www.musicunited.org/

rickwookie
2009-08-07, 03:09
I know this thread is old, but I wonder if this is a good deal:
http://www.tradesystems.co.uk/acatalog/really-useful-box.html?gclid=COGJidalkZwCFWIB4wodeUudeg

Seems a lot cheaper than elsewhere.

EDIT: Forget that, those prices are ex-VAT so they're no cheaper, and still have high delivery charge. - This is a bit cheaper: http://www.ezrshelving.com/products/listcat/90?gclid=CLbU6qqnkZwCFd0B4wodSznYew

funkstar
2009-08-08, 03:33
Really Useful Boxes are what I use.

I get them one at a time localy from Staples.

morris_minor
2009-08-08, 04:53
I get my Really Useful Boxes online from Rymans . .

TimothyB
2009-08-08, 12:05
I just went through transferring all my CDs to sleeves from Bags Unlimited and then putting them in the 17 liter Really Useful Boxes from Office Depot.

Oddly, it seems these boxes are 18 L in the UK, but only 17 L in the US, so instead of three rows the short way, I had to do two rows the long way.

-- T

funkstar
2009-08-08, 14:43
I just went through transferring all my CDs to sleeves from Bags Unlimited and then putting them in the 17 liter Really Useful Boxes from Office Depot.

Oddly, it seems these boxes are 18 L in the UK, but only 17 L in the US, so instead of three rows the short way, I had to do two rows the long way.

-- T
It could be the size difference for Letter vs A4 paper and their coresponding folders.

Nostromo
2009-08-10, 16:46
I store them in a CD Rack. Since I need to take a look at the CD booklets from time to time, I don't want to store them away. I just bought a nice CD rack from Boltz.

http://www.boltz.com/cdracks