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cybersus
2008-05-02, 16:13
Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive. Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a multi-room set up.

my house is wired with ethernet and has wireless too. I have several really nice sound systems throughout house. I would like to put all our music on a networkable hard drive. Can different music be played simultaneously in different rooms from just one hard drive??

So, what's the difference in the two?? Sound quality equal? Duet is 48hz--is sonos 96?

thanks!!

radish
2008-05-02, 16:47
Can different music be played simultaneously in different rooms from just one hard drive??

Yes, you can play independently or synced. For any of the squeezebox players you will need the SqueezeCenter software running somewhere on the network though.


So, what's the difference in the two?? Sound quality equal? Duet is 48hz--is sonos 96?

I can't comment on the Sonos SQ as I've never listened to it, but the SB players have really excellent sound, plenty of people use them in seriously expensive setups. I doubt you'll find better easily.

Lots more info here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/BeginnersGuide

pippin
2008-05-02, 17:20
Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive. Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a multi-room set up.

IMHO that's wrong.
I cannot comment on the functionality but the Sonos remote is much more clumsy and heavy than the SBC. I don't see how multi-room setups are difficult on SBC, you can selectively sync players.

The big edge for the duet is that it's a much more open system. There's tons of 3rd party plugins for the server, some alternative control modes - there skins or applications to use Nokis 770/800 devices, Windows Mobile devices and of course iPhone/iTouch as a remote for the SqueezeBox, so if you need more than one remote you don't need to buy Controllers for each of your rooms if you own one of these devices.

Overall, due to the open architecture there's MUCH more potential in the SqueezeBox system, maybe the Sonos stuff is a bit more integrated and finished.

In the end it boils down to what kind of customer you are:
If you are the "Bang & Olufsen-Buyer" kind of guy who wants a highly expensive closed system that is highly integrated and comes with a philosophy attached: go Sonos
If you are the kind of guy who buys 6 components from 8 different companies to build the perfect HiFi experience: go SlimDevices.

Echo
2008-05-02, 19:15
So, what's the difference in the two??
I was in a similar position and almost bought a Sonos system on more than one occasion but I wasn't able to convinced myself to pull the trigger.

The big edge for the duet is that it's a much more open system. There's tons of 3rd party plugins
This is the primary reasons I decided on the duet, with cost being a close second. I'm more than pleased with the decision and can't wait to add a couple more Squeezebox receivers.

finkaudio
2008-05-02, 22:21
Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive. Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a multi-room set up.

my house is wired with ethernet and has wireless too. I have several really nice sound systems throughout house. I would like to put all our music on a networkable hard drive. Can different music be played simultaneously in different rooms from just one hard drive??

So, what's the difference in the two?? Sound quality equal? Duet is 48hz--is sonos 96?

thanks!!

Hi,

I have both system installed in my company. Sound wise, I prefer the Slimdevices and btw, the SONUS is not 96kHz - no advantage over the Slimdevices.

The SONUS system is better integrated and gives you an analog input as well on each client - that can be important if you want to play some of your older equipment through the system.

The user interface is very nice and easy to understand. One can use NAPSTER here in Europe - The Suqeezenetwork is not really nice to us Europeans :-)

Even so, it sounds like the SONUS is the the winner, I still prefer the Slimdevices to work with. First of all, I also have the Transporter as well and that one does 96kHz, second argument is that the Slimdevices are much smaller and if you buy yourself a small amp from Project (with Flying Mole Class-D), you get a really neat solution. Ah, and of course the Slimdevices are cheaper by far.

I must admit that I also like to be part of the development of Slimdevices. I don't remember any other system that is so open and takes so much input from the community. It's a sort of fun and a thrill to deal with such new things. SONUS is more boring. You switch in on and it works.

I hope that does not sound too paranoid...

Best regards

Karl-Heinz

mvalera
2008-05-03, 11:56
Here's the story.

Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you use a wired connection that is a moot point.

Sound quality between the two units is basically equivalent.

We can play a different song to each player, or you can sync them all together.

We're a MUCH better value. We're $350.00 USD less than their least expensive one room solution.

And we're officially "Kick Ass":

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/logitech_squeezebox_duet

Mike

jaw5279
2008-05-03, 12:00
This thread will probably give you more than you want for the pro's and con's of both products (both facts and opinions).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006811

cshaida
2008-05-03, 12:21
I looked at both when I needed to replace my audiotrons (a now-defunct precursor product). I ended up going the squeezebox route and am quite happy (I now have 5 of them around the house with a variety of amps+speakers and powered speakers). I continue to hear good things though about Sonos so you probably wouldn't go all wrong if you ended up there (but you might take a look at olive audio if the sleekness factor is high on your list of criteria).

If you search you'll find a fair amount of info comparing sonos and SB on this forum. Some data points:

- audio quality - nobody seriously claims that the actual audio quality from sonos is better. Take a gander at he audiophile forum attached hereto for more on this.

- plug and play - this is where sonos has an advantage. For those who are not willing to tinker at all sonos is probably the safer route. I am not a programmer but I kind of like to know how things work so I get some pleasure out of fiddling a bit with the whole thing.

- proprietary - this cuts both ways. For Sonos this allows them to provide a 'complete' out of the box solution. It also means that they are completely responsible for every piece of the puzzle--good from a support perspective, maybe not so good from an innovation and product development perspective. THE SB approach is to just do what they do and rely on all the other extent stuff (PC, LAN, routers, amps, etc.) to get a working system. This can make troubleshooting more difficult with the SB for someone who doesn't understand much about their PC or their router or their LAN etc. It also makes it possible to really advance one piece of the puzzle dramatically as per the new controller.

- remote - the Sonos remote is no longer 'better' than the SB controller. It may be the case that as a matter of taste some might prefer one over the other but there is no longer any way for Sons to claim 'better' on a fact basis. As a matter of my taste I think the form factor of the SB controller is MUCH better--to me the sonos remote now seems clunky and old fashioned--you need to use two hands, it doesn't really fit in your pocket, etc. There's also a number of hardware elements of the controller that are not yet in use. A good bet that it will keep getting snazzier over the next 6-12 months.

- Multi-room - This another area where it appears that there really is a difference between SB and Sono--but it is only in one particular subset of use which may or may not matter to you. There are two layers to a multi-room system: synced or independent. Functioning independently (playing different music in different rooms from a single source) the SBs work great. Syncing (playing the same music in more than one room) also works well with the SBs as long as you are playing music from a music source on your LAN. So the material difference comes if you want to sync music from internet sources (internet radio, pandora, rhapsody, etc.)--here it appears that Sonos works better. Again, I've got a 5 room system working now and if functions splendidly for me because the only time I want to sync all 5 rooms is when I'm having a party and then I don't want to rely on internet connectivity anyway so will play playlists from my server anyway (which works fine). If this is important to you check out another thread on this specific topic.

Overall, I do not agree with the 'sonos is better but it's also more expensive' Money wasn't particularly an issue for me when I made my decision. I like the SB approach better ('just do what we do and do it really well'), I get a charge out of the community that exists around the product, I like a number of the plugins developed by the community and I think the controller is now way better (again, for my taste) than the sonos remote.

Kim.T
2008-05-03, 12:33
You don't have RSS feeds and Podcast on Sonos

jaffacake
2008-05-03, 14:47
Here's the story.

Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you use a wired connection that is a moot point.


Not at all true when we're talking about controller connectivity issues. These forums are full of such problems and the controllers can't be wired.

I have both systems in my living room right now, I'm testing them side by side. I have full retail units, purchased sealed in a store, not battered old press test kit with old firmware.

I've taken a lot of criticism prior to today on various forums, including this one. I was accused of delivering Duet criticism based on a very limited use experience with early code. This lead to many, very personal, insults which the forum moderators here refused to address.

So, to appease the critics, I've gone back to day zero. I have both pieces of kit, in my own home, on my own network, with my own music library. I've got the very latest production release of SqueezeCentre installed on both a Windows PC and my Infrant ReadyNas NV+ alongside all the Sonos kit. Ultimately, as requested by Logitech staff, I will be updating the cNet review I made a little while ago to carry more facts and accuracy.

Which machine will start playing an internet radio station fastest? Who has the best sync? Which system can skip tracks backwards and forwards on demand without a delay? Which system can display album art on screen whilst browsing? Which system integrates with iTunes the best? Do you really need a server machine? How do the two controllers compare?

These are the kind of tests I will be running in a review that I intend to publish shortly.

I don't work for Slim Devices, Logitech, Sonos, or indeed anybody in the hifi industry. I'm a simple, independent, IT geek who sits in a cube all day working for a car company. I'm unbiased and come to the argument presenting only facts from real life experiences from ownership of BOTH systems.

They both have their advantages and the best solution would have elements of both systems. I don't intend to draw any direct conclusions, I will simply let the reader decide which system meets their requirements best.

cybersus (or any other interested party) - If you have any specific tests you'd like me to run, then by all means let me know - but I do recommend you, and any other potential buyers, delay purchase until I release my results.

SilverRS8
2008-05-03, 15:01
I don't work for Slim Devices, Logitech, Sonos, or indeed anybody in the hifi industry. I'm a simple, independent, IT geek who sits in a cube all day working for a car company.

Judging from your posts on your personal site, the sonos forum and the SD forum I think it is not fair to say your independent. You are very much pro Sonos. Which ofcourse you are entitled to. Maybe the synchronization fits your needs best and Sonos is the better choice. If you would only once ever admit that Squeeze products are the better product of choice in various cases I would believe your 'I'm independent' statement. But for now I've only see you review why Sonos is so much better than Logitech. Thats not reviewing by facts. Thats reviewing by personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that but don't say and publish like your independent.

For the majority of people, not wanting to sync internet stations over multiple rooms, or people who only need one or a low number of streaming audio devices or people in non-US countries not being able to use the most important services I think Logitech is cleary the winner. (and the number of reasons don't stop here).

I second also that th controller is much better in ergonomics. It can be controlled with one hand and looks very good.

Frank

jaffacake
2008-05-03, 15:22
Judging from your posts on your personal site, the sonos forum and the SD forum I think it is not fair to say your independent. You are very much pro Sonos. Which ofcourse you are entitled to. Maybe the synchronization fits your needs best and Sonos is the better choice. If you would only once ever admit that Squeeze products are the better product of choice in various cases I would believe your 'I'm independent' statement. But for now I've only see you review why Sonos is so much better than Logitech. Thats not reviewing by facts. Thats reviewing by personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that but don't say and publish like your independent.


There's a huge difference between having a personal preference and being biased. You often read reviews on gadget sites and the like that say that the Duet is good, but they PREFER the Sonos although it costs more. It doesn't mean they're biased, it just means that they've used both and have a particular reason for liking Sonos more. Sadly, they often don't justify this reason or back it up with facts.

My intention is to change this a little. I'm not going to sprinkle fairy dust and say that I think one sounds better than the other, or that ones looks better than the other...these things are all subjective. But if one unit takes less than one second to start playback of the same file that it takes the other unit three seconds to cue up, then we have a fact based reason for preference.

Like, for example, the album art appears almost immediately on the Squeezebox controller screen when scrolling through albums. The Sonos can take a second or so to display the art and, even then, will only display one sleeve at a time. These are important facts and could influence a purchase.

On a contrasting note, the Duet Squeezebox Controller can only be charged when in the cradle at an almost vertical angle - there's no separate charger. This makes it almost impossible to use when the battery is flat, another possible factor.

I have many preferences here, and those for one product might outweigh another...but don't ever assume that makes me in any way biased.

mvalera
2008-05-03, 17:22
Jaffa, nothing you have said here even comes close to brushing on the truth.

I have sent you an email, please follow my request.

Thanks,

Mike

jaffacake
2008-05-03, 17:37
Jaffa, nothing you have said here even comes close to brushing on the truth.

I have sent you an email, please follow my request.

Thanks,

Mike

I see no untruths.

I believe your email went to a redundant address and bounced off my mail gateway. I've updated my address on the system here now, you may wish to resend.

mvalera
2008-05-03, 17:42
Ok, how's this then...

Nothing you have said in this forum, or any other, was not completely tainted by obvious bias.

This is not the place for it. Read your email.

Mike

peter
2008-05-04, 04:54
jaffacake wrote:
> mvalera;298371 Wrote:
>
>> Here's the story.
>>
>> Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you
>> use a wired connection that is a moot point.
>>
>>
>
> Not at all true when we're talking about controller connectivity
> issues. These forums are full of such problems and the controllers
> can't be wired.
>

Forums are usually full of issues. Not many people take the trouble of
coming 'round to say everything works fine. We'd be flooded otherwise.
BTW, no wireless issues here unless I go up on the roof.

Regards,
Peter

Siduhe
2008-05-04, 06:34
I was really hoping this thread wouldn't develop this way, but since it has, here's my 0.02.

To the OP: these are the Slim community forums, so (most/everyone) here has already considered the question you are asking and plumped for the SB/Duet. To that extent, our feedback isn't unbiased or independent. We can tell you why we chose the way we did, and the things that we like about the two systems, but we have our clear preferences. If you've asked the same question on the Sonos forums, and I hope you have, you'll get the alternative view.

For myself, when I was choosing between the two systems, I had a choice between going with Sonos or picking the SB and upgrading my speakers. The cost of Sonos then was a huge factor as was the fact (at the time) it didn't play FLAC format (open source/lossless codec) which I had decided I wanted to use. I also like configuring and fiddling with my setup, and I have since very much brought into the Slim, opensource, community driven approach. I don't want a closed system - I want to be able to configure the services I use and if something comes into the program or player that I don't like, I want to be able to roll back to an earlier version.

The best advice I can give is to work out if there are any dealbreakers with either system. If not, download Squeezecenter (which comes with a free software player/emulator) and run it through your files. Have a play and see if you like the style/features. If yes, buy an SB or Duet, try it for 30 days, and if you don't like it, send it back and buy the Sonos. If Sonos offers a 30 day money back guarantee, you could buy that and trial it instead.

@jaffacake - I was one of those who was extremely critical of the way you chose to approach and review the Duet. Not worth going over in detail, but not so much what you said, as the way you chose to respond afterwards as rob53ben and jaffacake. To that extent, you have to accept a level of background suspicion here as to your motives. I think an acknowledgement that things could have been handled better would go a long way to alieviating that concern. That said, I haven't seen anything recently that suggests to me you're trying to do anything other than what you say - review side by side and in detail the two systems. If these forums are as friendly and helpful as we always hold them out to be, people here need to get over it and pitch in to answer your questions and help you out.

I think it was Robin that had a conversation with one of the Sonos admins when this all kicked off and both of them agreed there's a danger in taking this too seriously. Some of the Sonos people feel there's a history of Sim posters Sonos-bashing on their forums - not recently but look at the archives and they may have a point.

We'll all read your review with interest, and my only advice (entirely unsolicited) is that you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ;-)

jaffacake
2008-05-04, 13:07
To the OP: these are the Slim community forums, so (most/everyone) here has already considered the question you are asking and plumped for the SB/Duet. To that extent, our feedback isn't unbiased or independent.


I thought I'd touch base on that comment and the word "independent" which has also been used earlier in the thread. When I claim to be "independent", I am communicating the fact that I don't have a financial interest in the discussion. I don't get salaried, commissioned, bonused or in any way incentivised on the sale of any hifi or electronic equipment. I have no reason for saying one of these products has an advantage over another except for if I think it does.

It's fair to say that most of the members of these kinds of forums except, for example, Logitech staff and their resellers are independent in a similar way. Most of us act for nobody but ourselves.



@jaffacake - I was one of those who was extremely critical of the way you chose to approach and review the Duet. Not worth going over in detail, but not so much what you said, as the way you chose to respond afterwards as rob53ben and jaffacake.
To that extent, you have to accept a level of background suspicion here as to your motives. I think an acknowledgement that things could have been handled better would go a long way to alieviating that concern.


For the purposes of transparency, I'll answer that. Basically, jaffacake is my nickname. I own the domain names and my best mate calls me 'jaffa' to my face when we're in the pub - I would turn around if you shouted it in the street. I write my blog under the pen-name of Jaffa. On all online forums and other registration based communities, jaffacake is my first choice login name. When unavailable, I use my second choice of ro53ben; which is actually my car registration plate here in the UK - an alphanumeric form of my real name Ben Rose.

So, when I registered on these forums some years ago to research the product, i registered as jaffacake as the name was available. On CNet, there was already a user called jaffacake so I was forced to go with the 2nd choice. If possible, I would happily have posted the review as jaffacake. My forum nick varies from place to place purely on availability of the nickname and there's no ulterior motives whatsoever.



That said, I haven't seen anything recently that suggests to me you're trying to do anything other than what you say - review side by side and in detail the two systems.
If these forums are as friendly and helpful as we always hold them out to be, people here need to get over it and pitch in to answer your questions and help you out.


Thanks, I am genuinely just the messenger here, whether people choose to believe it or not and I have in the past made a concerted effort to keep things on topic. Sincere apologies to the OP of this thread that things have inadvertently gone off at a tangent on this one.

Thankfully I have managed to touch base with a couple of SqueezeBox owners offline who are hopefully going to help provide me with additional 'real world' ownership experiences which I may include within my review. Likewise, I am sharing my experiences and indeed have made numerous posts around these forums to help people out with queries they have raised.



I think it was Robin that had a conversation with one of the Sonos admins when this all kicked off and both of them agreed there's a danger in taking this too seriously. Some of the Sonos people feel there's a history of Sim posters Sonos-bashing on their forums - not recently but look at the archives and they may have a point.


I think the key here is to recognise that we may have genuine, but conflicting, opinions about the products. It's critical for us to stay focussed on the products and not the people, personal attacks don't help anybody and just drag the community down.



We'll all read your review with interest, and my only advice (entirely unsolicited) is that you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ;-)

I totally agree, it's just a shame that Apple declined to take part in a multi-product digital music group test when I approached them about it a few weeks ago, i wonder why? ;)

autopilot
2008-05-04, 13:45
Jesus, you still at it jaffacake? incredible uber-trolling.

Stop going on about your bloody review, like you are the master of the universe. No one cares, do you get it... no one. Stop going on like you are some kind of internet god, you got striped of your moderator status on the forums when they realised what a strange little fanboy nutjob you are - and now you expect us to believe, after everything (lies and all - you never even used a beta unit before that cnet review, admit it you naughty little monkey), that you are not biased? Leave us a alone now please, and stop preaching to us in that horrible patronising tone. Sono's rules, you know everything, thanks we realise that now and you can now to write your wonderful review thats going to change the world of technology and our understanding of everything forever. Then maybe you could go for a walk and get some fresh air. A personal attack, maybe - but you are the one dragging everyone down.

stephanm
2008-05-04, 13:48
I am looking into buying SD Duet or Sonos and I am still undecided. I will use a Time capsule as a storage device. I am the opposite of being an expert (still don t understand what DACs or FLACS are..., but i m sure i ll learn on those forums)

It is really difficult to see how SD supports the time capsule and macs in general. Sonos has in its support page a "setting up time capsule using Mac or PC. I can t find anything here.

Can i assume i can do the same on Duet and hence it shouldn t be a criteria of selection for me?

Jaffacake,what was that last comment on apple. Do u think they will launch a product?

autopilot
2008-05-04, 13:54
I totally agree, it's just a shame that Apple declined to take part in a multi-product digital music group test when I approached them about it a few weeks ago, i wonder why? ;)

Because they prefer to deal with proper journalists on proper popular and respected sites/blogs, and not just some self important forum wannabe who has risen way above his station?

jaffacake
2008-05-04, 14:30
Jaffacake,what was that last comment on apple. Do u think they will launch a product?

They already have such a product, have done for some time. They call it the Airport Express with Airtunes. It allows you to play your iTunes music in other rooms of the house, wirelessly and also to sync the rooms together.

It's recently been updated to support 802.11n which offers improved bandwidth and wireless reception. This brings it into line with AppleTV and TimeCapsule products which also support 802.11n.

I've never actually used that system so I can't comment much more on it, I just know it exists.

ModelCitizen
2008-05-04, 14:42
I thought I'd touch base on that comment and the word "independent" which has also been used earlier in the thread. When I claim to be "independent", I am communicating the fact that I don't have a financial interest in the discussion. I don't get salaried, commissioned, bonused or in any way incentivised on the sale of any hifi or electronic equipment. I have no reason for saying one of these products has an advantage over another except for if I think it does.
jaffacake, Ben Rose, rob53ben or whatever other moniker you choose to use, you appear quite obsessive. Maybe you ought to spend some more time with your wife and children (if you have them). Failing that, how about a doctor?

MC

pippin
2008-05-04, 15:07
My intention is to change this a little. I'm not going to sprinkle fairy dust and say that I think one sounds better than the other, or that ones looks better than the other...these things are all subjective. But if one unit takes less than one second to start playback of the same file that it takes the other unit three seconds to cue up, then we have a fact based reason for preference.


Ben,

I don't know you, I don't know your reviews and all the history of this that obviously generates some strong feelings here, but what you infer in this statements is, of course, not true.

Measures are used to generate the notion of objectivity but they are not. All these measures are just single statement, that overall do nothing to generate objectivity. You may generate some COMPARABILITY if you do lots of tests to the same set of parameters but that's still not objective. You can generate whatever result you wish by selecting the measures you take, and even the importance of single measures is deeply subjective.

For example, I don't care the least whether a song takes one or two seconds to play but I care a lot about how well I can find it. That may be different for more organized people who know the filename and path to each and every track in their collection. Etc etc.

You say you work for a car company. So do I so both of us probably know how auto reviews are usually faked in car magazines. They usually even feature a standard set of measures they run on every test but believe me, the results of the tests only depend on their relation to the carmkers' marketing department. There's "Depreciation" to compensate for "Cost", "Comfort" to compensate for "Handling" and plenty of other measures that you can balance however you like.

I don't know whether you are open to SB or prefer Sonos or whatever but to state that you are doing a single "objective" test is just smoke and mirrors since there is no such thing.

cshaida
2008-05-04, 15:31
One more wack at helping out cybersus:

- IF having multi-room, synced, internet-sourced music capability that works flawlessly right now is essential AND IF the extra money is not crucial then it's pretty clear that Sonos is the way to go

or

- or IF you want a system that sets up more like a TV than a PC (that is if you would find any amount of fiddling or tinkering to be deeply frustrating) AND IF the extra money is not crucial then you probably end up with Sonos

but

- IF sound quality at each individual zone is the most important thing AND IF syncing is occasional rather than normal use AND IF money matters somewhat then you need to look carefully at both

or

- IF you actual enjoy a bit of tinkering and like knowing that you are getting exactly what you pay for in each component AND IF you like the idea that you are NOT making a major commitment to a whole system then you probably end up with the Duet

At the end of the day--unless you do have the internet-sourced syncing requirement mentioned first above--you probably just need to actually see both systems. The form factors are quite different--many of us in SD world are just thrilled with the new SB Controller and think it justifies our having bought into the whole 'slim', open, high level of community interaction thing that characterizes the SD world--we like the one-hand, looks-like-a-remote, fits-with-the-mp3player-gestalt, replaceable batteries, extra-as-yet-not-activated-hardware-goodies-'hidden'-inside (headphone jack, dac, motion sensor, full processor, etc.). Similarly in the Sonos world, the current owners seem to really like the existing Sonos controller (solid, 'beer-proof', like a small PC, etc.). I bet that if you had one of each for an hour or a day you'd have a pretty clear sense of which you prefer (rather than one being 'better').

btw, BOTH SD and Sonos advocates should be absolutely thrilled they haven't been saddled with a RUSSOUND system! Talk about what can go WRONG when you are in the money-is-no-object, proprietary, bling-over-function world. I've got one of these in a vacation house I bought out west. Absolutely ridiculous. Low-function, high cost six-zone system where, get this, each in-wall 'controller' costs $1,200 and the optional 'remote' weighs more than a pound and has to a LAN cable attached (not kidding!). So just for the controllers and upstairs and downstairs remotes you're into the thing for 10 grand BEFORE even accounting for the 6-zone amp, speakers, etc.!!! In comparison, BOTH SD and Sonos looks like relative models of delightful functionality and frugality! ah well...

jaffacake
2008-05-04, 15:48
pippin,

I totally appreciate your angle on this. By simply comparing the 2 products side by side in every day situations I can see any obvious differences or similarities between the two but whether these apply in the real world is, in many respects, for the reader to decide.

Which is why I'm attempting to consult other Squeezebox owners in the process. Hopefully they'll be able to overlook some of the results and offer real-life workarounds to some of the challenges I may experience as a new owner - like the playback delay you quoted above only applies on my NAS installed SqueezeCenter, the XP one is just fine. If somebody hadn't suggested I tried both then I may have been overly critical of something that only applied in one type of deployment.

By doing that extra bit of research, and installing SC on both, I'm gathering some really interesting comparitive information. It's this stuff I would be interested in as a potential buyer.

pippin
2008-05-04, 15:50
May I add (as before) for my own, very subjective and NOT unbiased resons that one of the advantages of the SB system is that you are NOT bound to a certain controller but that there are quite a few alternatives around...

jaffacake
2008-05-04, 16:00
May I add (as before) for my own, very subjective and NOT unbiased resons that one of the advantages of the SB system is that you are NOT bound to a certain controller but that there are quite a few alternatives around...

This is certainly an advantage over the Apple option.

As for Sonos, I control mine from a Nokia E90 cellphone, it works well. People have tried it from numerous internet tablets etc and they all work without much of an issue...even the iPhone with touchscreen.

There's some screenshots here:

http://vowe.net/archives/009218.html

pippin
2008-05-04, 16:01
Ben,

agreed. It's just that these "everyday" situations can vary dramatically. For example, I've found myself in a quite intense discussion in another thread on whether my way of searching for music to listen to makes sense or not. AFAIK it's something not supported by either Sonos (at least when I last looked at it half a year ago) or SB but if one did, how would you compare/rate on this (in short, I want albums with artwork sorted by artist and if there are multiple artists on an album which is NOT a compilation I want that album to show up under all of them vs. compilations which only show up under compilations/various artists).

That's what I call subjective. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but especially if you are used to one system you typically adopt it's way of using it and will quite naturally find issues on solutions with a different philosophy. It's like you will never ever find a German car tester who will prefer a French car over a German one or like American audio testers will find European systems lacking bass while European testers will say American systems lack clarity...

pippin
2008-05-04, 16:04
This is certainly an advantage over the Apple option.

As for Sonos, I control mine from a Nokia E90 cellphone, it works well. People have tried it from numerous internet tablets etc and they all work without much of an issue...even the iPhone with touchscreen.

There's some screenshots here:

http://vowe.net/archives/009218.html

Interesting. Can you skin that or are you bound to the Web look?
I expect an iPhone skin to look like this ;-)
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7

jaffacake
2008-05-04, 16:16
Interesting. Can you skin that or are you bound to the Web look?
I expect an iPhone skin to look like this ;-)
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7

It's fully skinnable if you have the artistic talent. Sadly I struggle to draw a stickman, so I stick with one of the supplied UIs.

Nonreality
2008-05-04, 22:48
Jaffacake can't you get into the sonos forums. You have gone to great lengths to cut down everything Squeezebox even so far as fake reviews on amazon. I really don't know why you do it? Anywhere there is a question on Sonos vs Squeezebox there you are, acting like you are impartial and giving fake info. We know you love Sonos so why don't you leave us alone.

peter
2008-05-05, 04:21
stephanm wrote:
> I am looking into buying SD Duet or Sonos and I am still undecided. I
> will use a Time capsule as a storage device. I am the opposite of being
> an expert (still don t understand what DACs or FLACS are..., but i m
> sure i ll learn on those forums)
>
> It is really difficult to see how SD supports the time capsule and macs
> in general. Sonos has in its support page a "setting up time capsule
> using Mac or PC. I can t find anything here.
>
> Can i assume i can do the same on Duet and hence it shouldn t be a
> criteria of selection for me?
>

The main difference between Sonos and Squeezebox is that the Squeezebox
needs a server running. The Sonos can get by with just a networked disk,
like the timecapsule (if I understand it correctly). Some networked
disks (NAS) are able to run the Squeezebox server software, but the time
capsule probably isn't, Apple being Apple. You can run the Squeezebox
server software on any MAC, Windows or Linux PC. But it has to be on
when you play music unless you're content with using Squeeze Network.

Regards,
Peter