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martgadget
2008-04-17, 14:16
Having just finished setting up my Duet, I'm sat here thinking the following about the hardware:

1) How about some IR transmission cabability on the player unit?

- this would have allowed the player (when switched on by the remote), to control the amp it's attached to - perhaps powering it up (most amps are IR controlled), with maybe a capability to send 4-5 IR commands in sequence to select inputs etc.

- Also, direct volume control on the amp via the wireless controller.

2) Are my thumbs too big for the turney-wheel?

- My thumbs 'slip' on the wheel unless you press quite hard (un-natrual), I think this is due to the matt-slippery finish of the plastic - I keep thinking about fashioning a stick-on overlay for the scroll wheel to make it more 'sticky' -licking my thumb looks stoopid.

Mart.
(with his fat thumbs)

Sike
2008-04-18, 02:43
2) Are my thumbs too big for the turney-wheel?

- My thumbs 'slip' on the wheel unless you press quite hard (un-natrual), I think this is due to the matt-slippery finish of the plastic - I keep thinking about fashioning a stick-on overlay for the scroll wheel to make it more 'sticky' -licking my thumb looks stoopid.

The wheel is very fiddley and slightly dissapointing that it made it though the beta phase. I am hoping it will get better with age. I am still holding off buying a second duet or SBR in the hopes there will be a second edition. The SBR also scratches easily. See: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45139

egd
2008-04-18, 03:19
Reading posts like these makes me pleased that I've not been able to rush out and get one. The whole Duet availability issue in Australia has been so pathetic that I've cancelled the two units I had on backorder. Seems waiting for Controller v2 may be a good idea anyhow.

slimpy
2008-04-18, 03:57
Having just finished setting up my Duet, I'm sat here thinking the following about the hardware:

1) How about some IR transmission cabability on the player unit?

- this would have allowed the player (when switched on by the remote), to control the amp it's attached to - perhaps powering it up (most amps are IR controlled), with maybe a capability to send 4-5 IR commands in sequence to select inputs etc.

Also, direct volume control on the amp via the wireless controller.
There is a IR sender built into the controller.
Today it can be used to control a Squeezebox Classic or any of its predecessors.
Have a look in Settings - Advanced Settings - Factory Test.
I'm sure at some point in the future you can use the controller to control your amp but someone has to write the necessary code first.

2) Are my thumbs too big for the turney-wheel?

- My thumbs 'slip' on the wheel unless you press quite hard (un-natrual), I think this is due to the matt-slippery finish of the plastic - I keep thinking about fashioning a stick-on overlay for the scroll wheel to make it more 'sticky' -licking my thumb looks stoopid.

Not knowing your thumbs I can't give you a definitive answer if they are too big ;-)
I've been using the controller over the last couple of months almost daily and never had the feeling the scroll wheel was too slippery.
I never have dry hands so this could be a whole different story if you tend to have very dry hands.

-s.

MadScientist
2008-04-18, 04:14
Overall I'm pleased with the Controller and have no regret whatsoever in buying one. If I'm being fussy I would say that it is sometimes hard to move one line up or down with the control wheel but I'm getting used to the action. I would also like an improved wol capability which works even if the unit has been turned off for any reason.

With regard to scratches on the front face, I really don't know what people are doing with their units to get these - sliding it face down across the table? I'm not particulary careful with mine but I do ensure it's face up when I put it down. Not noticed a single scratch on the face after a months intensive use.

MS

mikeselectricstuff
2008-04-18, 05:16
I'd agree - the wheel works generally well when scrolling through lists but is not good at moving single steps - this is definitely something that needs some tweaks.

vrobin
2008-04-18, 05:45
If there would have been a poll in this thread... i would also vote "yes, the controller wheel needs enhancement"

FredFredrickson
2008-04-18, 06:16
yeah- i was noting this in a different thread:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46449

But I agree- some calibration would be good.

And despite the few concerns voiced here about little problems here and there- it needs to be said I don't regret purchasing my duet in any way and I have every intention of buying more when i have the money (and when the individuals are available for sale).

And I don't have any scratches on the front of mine (some on the back). Something I noticed today that kinda bugs me is there's a stuck pixel on the screen of my controller. Any ideas?

cliveb
2008-04-18, 07:05
There is a IR sender built into the controller.
Today it can be used to control a Squeezebox Classic or any of its predecessors.
Have a look in Settings - Advanced Settings - Factory Test.
I'm sure at some point in the future you can use the controller to control your amp but someone has to write the necessary code first.
But if the Receiver and Amp are bundled into a cupboard/basement/attic out of sight (as the design of the Receiver encourages), this doesn't help.

JimC has already acknowledged in another post that in hindsight the lack of IR blaster capability in the Receiver was probably a mistake. Had the Receiver been sent out to beta testers like the Controller was, I reckon that would have been spotted very quickly.

radish
2008-04-18, 07:20
Had the Receiver been sent out to beta testers like the Controller was, I reckon that would have been spotted very quickly.
It was, just a much smaller set of testers. Regardless, beta testing doesn't usually trigger design changes - by the time beta comes around the feature set & design are basically fixed. The decision to not have the IR control was taken way earlier.

SadieKate
2008-04-18, 07:52
Not knowing your thumbs I can't give you a definitive answer if they are too big ;-)
I've been using the controller over the last couple of months almost daily and never had the feeling the scroll wheel was too slippery.
I never have dry hands so this could be a whole different story if you tend to have very dry hands.

-s.I have small thumbs AND dry hands. The controller wheel is very difficult to control. Why it wasn't slightly rubberized or texturized is beyond me. The concavity to the wheel plus the slippery surface is erring on the side of aesthetics and forgetting function. Sort of a no brainer design flaw.

Moonloop
2008-04-18, 08:08
As well as aesthetics , Ive never looked forward to buying a component as much , and been so disappointed on receipt as the Duet :(

Plagued by wireless problems , wandering off in search of unfinished updates and losing sight of the rest of my system ( which , fortunately , includes an SB3 working perfectly ) and crashing the network any time its powered up , I really hope this improves and stabilises with future updates .

~M~

peter
2008-04-18, 11:31
egd wrote:
> Reading post like these makes me pleased that I've not been able to rush
> out and get one. The whole Duet availability issue in Australia has
> been so pathetic that I've cancelled the two units I had on backorder.
> Seems waiting for Controller v2 may be a good idea anyhow.
>

FWIW, I'm perfectly happy with my controller.
The wheel software could use a few improvements, but overall I'm pleased
with it.

Regards,
Peter

peter
2008-04-18, 11:36
FredFredrickson wrote:
> yeah- i was noting this in a different thread:
>
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46449
>
> But I agree- some calibration would be good.
>

Also check this thread
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44272 and the improvement
request it spawned:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7555

> And despite the few concerns voiced here about little problems here and
> there- it needs to be said I don't regret purchasing my duet in any way
> and I have every intention of buying more when i have the money (and
> when the individuals are available for sale).
>
> And I don't have any scratches on the front of mine (some on the back).
> Something I noticed today that kinda bugs me is there's a stuck pixel on
> the screen of my controller. Any ideas?
>

I have a beta unit that I've been using for months. No scratches on the
front. I carry it in my back jeans pocket regularly.


Regards,
Peter

craigf
2008-04-18, 20:22
FWIW, I'm perfectly happy with my controller.
The wheel software could use a few improvements, but overall I'm pleased
with it.

What he said. Except for it being fiddly when trying to move just one more tick down a menu, I find the Controller to be a joy to use. I'm *really* looking forward to being able to use it as a stand-alone client with the headphone jack (I'll actually look forward to mowing the yard!).

Millwood
2008-04-18, 20:37
I'm just guessing - but I suspect the knob response includes server communication. the only certain evidence is that it doesn't click when its not active - but even that's not definitive.

but - i think the knob click response should be implemented locally so it was rock solid reproducible in the amount of turn required to get on click. I think this would ease the single move problem that I've also experienced.

Zaragon
2008-04-19, 05:10
I believe that it is implemented locally in the controller. Much of what you see and do is handled locally.

Siduhe
2008-04-19, 05:46
The single click issue is an interesting one - I also find this difficult on occasions with the latest firmware (7.0.1 SC). It used to be a lot easier with some of the early beta firmwares, but those firmwares were impossibly slow when scrolling long lists of items.

My impression is that speeding up the long list scrolling acceleration has made it a bit harder to achieve a single click scroll. No doubt there's room for improvement, but it's a reasonable balance of functionality IMHO.