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2004-02-25, 16:30
Thanks for the speedy response.

I think a simple note on the web interface would be sufficient. As I
said, now that I know it goes up to 100, it's really not an issue (just
wanted to find out if there's a reasoning behind it all).

Keep up the good work - planning on getting my 3rd unit in the summer.

kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote on 26.02.2004, 00:14:48:
> Quoting aynsley (AT) vicandaynsley (DOT) com:
>
> >
> > Sorry, didn't mean to sound abrupt. Just an observation really.
> >
> > I guess it could be a feature request, but it's not a problem now that I
> > know it works like that.
> >
> > Aynsley
> >
>
> ok :)
> Web Interface: 11, is a joke. Spinal Tap reference, but still fairly obvious
> what max and min is. Other skins show things linek 1-10 or a graphic scale.
>
> Player Interface: Its a 40 character display, so makes sense to handle it as
> 0-40. Again, pretty clear what is max and min.
>
> Alarm: Using the remote, is also 40, but web interface allows a value from
> 0-maxVolume (a server hardcoded value)
>
> Server: in the background, the volume is always handled as 0-100, or in fact can
> be negative for mute (stores the previous volume that way)
>
> So, one problem is clearly that while the alarm input on the web interface is
> the most direct correlation, its confusing because of all the other cases of
> obfuscation.
>
> Having fallen victim to this hole in user information, what would you think to
> be the best way to have prevented that from happening:
>
> 1) Alarm setting in web interface, having a note saying max 100.
>
> 2) Alarm setting assuming all users understand 0-40 is range and process the
> value accordingly. Bit of extra code needed, and still probably need a not to
> say 0-40
>
> 3) Have the player report 0-100 (clearly sitll in 40 steps). This gets a little
> odd as every step woudl be 2.5, or would step by 2 then 3 alternately.
>
> Is there another way to do this that you would like to see?
>
> cheers,
> kdf
>
> 4)
>

kdf
2004-02-25, 16:45
Quoting aynsley (AT) vicandaynsley (DOT) com:

>
> Thanks for the speedy response.
>
> I think a simple note on the web interface would be sufficient. As I
> said, now that I know it goes up to 100, it's really not an issue (just
> wanted to find out if there's a reasoning behind it all).
>
> Keep up the good work - planning on getting my 3rd unit in the summer.

Reasoning really was just me being lazy. I contributed the little section for
the alarm clock web setting. I never use it, but it was requested, so thought
I'd help. Simplest thing is just to take the raw value from the prefs file,
which is referenced 0-100. I couldn't think of a logical pattern to follow
given the other two ways volume is handled. You were the first to say anything,
so you get to be the ideaperson! I know, exciting but a heavy burden :)

Teh note should have been there, but I'd love to hear any ideas how it could be
done so that there is some consistency. A graphics bar didn't seem to really
fit there. In the meantime, I'll sumbit a patch to make a note on the valid range.

Thanks!
kdf

Neal Tucker
2004-02-25, 16:47
How about allowing users to keep the notion that the volume goes
from 0 to 40, and then add "%" on any UI which displays it as a
0 to 100 scale? Minimal code change.

No proposed solution for the 0-11 joke, but then again, I don't
exactly see it as a problem. You can't demand to know the units
on a scale that goes from 0 to 11. It just *isn't done*. :-)

-Neal

aynsley (AT) vicandaynsley (DOT) com says:
>
> Thanks for the speedy response.
>
> I think a simple note on the web interface would be sufficient. As I
> said, now that I know it goes up to 100, it's really not an issue (just
> wanted to find out if there's a reasoning behind it all).

Pat Farrell
2004-02-25, 18:56
At 08:05 PM 2/25/2004, fauxfrenchdeux wrote:
>Why not take a more technical approach? Most digital
>devices use max level as 0db and use negative db
>values for the amount of attenuation applied.

I say thumbs down to this. Even in the audio engineering communities,
made broader by things like Apple's GarageBand, too many folks have
no idea what a dB is. The best you could do is 0dBfs, meaning full scale.
dB is only meaningful relative. Relative to what, is the critical question.

Of course, in the spirit of skins, you could have a skin with labeling
in dB or any other obscure technical approach.

All IMHO, 'natch.

Pat

Roy M. Silvernail
2004-02-25, 20:19
On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 18:47, Neal Tucker wrote:

> No proposed solution for the 0-11 joke

No, no, no. 11 *is* the solution!

I mean, it's... one louder than 10, i'nit?
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