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lreinstein
2008-03-31, 10:44
I would like to use my new Apple Macbook Pro for ripping my CD's and performing some basic music file management. I will be ripping in Lossless format (FLAC? Apple?) for the SB3. I normally use iTunes but would like to consider a different software...if a good one exists for the Mac OSX.

Can you help?


Larry

Eric Seaberg
2008-03-31, 10:55
If you want to stick to FLAC as your format of choice, that's OK, but iTunes won't know what it is if you ever want to convert to something else for your iPod! As far as I'm concerned, lossless is lossless, whether it's Apple Lossless (ALAC) or FLAC. I prefer to use ALAC because of the options I mentioned, i.e. iPod access.

BTW, just because they call it APPLE LOSSLESS doesn't mean they're the only guys that designed it! The format has MAJOR influence from Dolby Labs and others, attempting to make it a universal multi-channel codec (capable of 5.1 surround) that will work into the future. It's not a codec to skip over "just because" it's from Apple!!

Now, that being said, you can use MAX (freeware available at http://sbooth.org/Max/) which also does FLAC and others, but the BEST thing about iTunes is the EASE OF USE for dealing with tags! I've had NO issues ripping my library as ALAC for use with Slim and converting ALAC to a 'lesser format' for iPod playback. It really keeps things simple.

Kevin Lepard
2008-03-31, 10:59
Larry

I use Max from http://sbooth.org. It's free and works well on my MBP
under first 10.4 and now 10.5. To use it under 10.5, get the latest
beta. It's under "unstable" but has been very stable for me.

I recommend ripping to FLAC for lossless, as its better supported
cross-platform and is natively decoded in the Squeezebox.

I use either Tag or iTunes to edit tags, as necessary.

HTH

Kevin

On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:44 , lreinstein wrote:
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> I would like to use my new Apple Macbook Pro for ripping my CD's and
> performing some basic music file management. I will be ripping in
> Lossless format (FLAC? Apple?) for the SB3. I normally use iTunes
> but would like to consider a different software...if a good one exists
> for the Mac OSX.
>
> Can you help?
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>
> Larry
>
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radish
2008-03-31, 11:15
If you want to stick to FLAC as your format of choice, that's OK, but iTunes won't know what it is if you ever want to convert to something else for your iPod! As far as I'm concerned, lossless is lossless, whether it's Apple Lossless (ALAC) or FLAC. I prefer to use ALAC because of the options I mentioned, i.e. iPod access.

BTW, just because they call it APPLE LOSSLESS doesn't mean they're the only guys that designed it! The format has MAJOR influence from Dolby Labs and others, attempting to make it a universal multi-channel codec (capable of 5.1 surround) that will work into the future. It's not a codec to skip over "just because" it's from Apple!!

Now, that being said, you can use MAX (freeware available at http://sbooth.org/Max/) which also does FLAC and others, but the BEST thing about iTunes is the EASE OF USE for dealing with tags! I've had NO issues ripping my library as ALAC for use with Slim and converting ALAC to a 'lesser format' for iPod playback. It really keeps things simple.

There's nothing wrong with ALAC as a format, and if you like iTunes then more power to you :) The problem with ALAC is that the format is closed, and Apple aren't licensing the decoder. That means that anyone who wants to play the files (other than Apple) is on shaky legal and technical ground. Witness the problems reported with people who recently updated QT on their Mac - now all of a sudden they can't play ALAC on the SB. That kind of thing isn't going to happen with an open (or at least openly documented) format.

Eric Seaberg
2008-03-31, 11:16
I use either Tag or iTunes to edit tags, as necessary.


HOW do you do this in iTunes since it doesn't know what FLAC files are? I'd be glad to learn this!!

lreinstein
2008-03-31, 11:19
Thanks for your quick reply Eric.

The only reason I was thinking about going to FLAC is that I understand that all other Formats have to be converted on-the-fly by the SB3...and that FLAC is a native format. I didn't know if this would introduce any issues with large lossless files and the wireless network.

Another thing--- I will be storing very large music files on a central hard drive which will be on the network connected to the Apple Time Capsule. I want to keep a seperate smaller library of compressed (MP3) files direcly on my Macbook...to synch with my IPOD through ITUNES. Can I use iTunes for both libraries from the same Mac? Or will it get confused? THat is why i thought i should use different software.

Larry





If you want to stick to FLAC as your format of choice, that's OK, but iTunes won't know what it is if you ever want to convert to something else for your iPod! As far as I'm concerned, lossless is lossless, whether it's Apple Lossless (ALAC) or FLAC. I prefer to use ALAC because of the options I mentioned, i.e. iPod access.

BTW, just because they call it APPLE LOSSLESS doesn't mean they're the only guys that designed it! The format has MAJOR influence from Dolby Labs and others, attempting to make it a universal multi-channel codec (capable of 5.1 surround) that will work into the future. It's not a codec to skip over "just because" it's from Apple!!

Now, that being said, you can use MAX (freeware available at http://sbooth.org/Max/) which also does FLAC and others, but the BEST thing about iTunes is the EASE OF USE for dealing with tags! I've had NO issues ripping my library as ALAC for use with Slim and converting ALAC to a 'lesser format' for iPod playback. It really keeps things simple.

Eric Seaberg
2008-03-31, 11:20
Witness the problems reported with people who recently updated QT on their Mac - now all of a sudden they can't play ALAC on the SB. That kind of thing isn't going to happen with an open (or at least openly documented) format.

I'm the FIRST guy to upgrade my Macs (I'm administrator for over 16 of them in a ProTools/AVID post-production facility) and have NEVER had problems with Slim playing anything.

Again, my biggest reason for doing iTunes is the ease of tagging. As far as I know, iTunes has no idea what a FLAC file is and won't even see it if you scan your library. This makes tagging a bit difficult.

Eric Seaberg
2008-03-31, 11:28
Another thing--- I will be storing very large music files on a central hard drive which will be on the network connected to the Apple Time Capsule. I want to keep a seperate smaller library of compressed (MP3) files direcly on my Macbook...to synch with my IPOD through ITUNES. Can I use iTunes for both libraries from the same Mac? Or will it get confused? THat is why i thought i should use different software.

Larry

I have all of my Apple lossless files on an external 500GB drive connected to my server (Mac MINI). When I rip new material, I mount that drive over the network to my G5 (exactly how you'd do it) and rip using iTunes looking at that LIBRARY. I have an iTunes plug-in called MultiTunes which allows for multiple libraries. Ripping to lossless iTunes looks at the Mac MINI drive. When I want to re-encode to a lossy format for my iPod I have created a library on the G5 that does the syncing.

I import tunes from the LOSSLESS library and re-encode them, basically doing what you want, but this allows me to pick the tunes I want to re-encode without having to keep two separate libararies of EVERYTHING, whether I want it or not.

Again, I don't have any issues with Slim playing Apple's format. I'm all for the 'open-sourceness' of FLAC, but it wasn't built with the Mac in mind, and MAX just doesn't handle tagging as easily as iTunes does.

Try them both...YMMV.

Kevin Lepard
2008-03-31, 11:51
Eric

That statement was unclear. I use iTunes to edit tags in mp3s, not
FLAC. Tag will edit tags from FLAC.

Sorry about the confusion.

Kevin

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> Kevin Lepard;285795 Wrote:
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>> I use either Tag or iTunes to edit tags, as necessary.
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> HOW do you do this in iTunes since it doesn't know what FLAC files
> are?
> I'd be glad to learn this!!
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lreinstein
2008-04-01, 14:28
eric

i am a real novice. where do i get and how do i use the itunes plugin multilibrary?

can i see both libraries from itunes on the same computer?

My other question--- since the apple lossless is not natively recognized by the SB3....it means that the slimserver must be converting "on the fly". does this make ANY difference in the quality of the music delivered to my System???

Eric Seaberg
2008-04-01, 15:28
Multitunes is available here http://www.porkrind.org/multitunes/ and does allow ALL libraries to be seen on the same Mac.

ALAC files are converted on-the-fly using QuickTime and FLAC (at least, that's how I do it). I also have it convert to LAME MP3s for streaming over the internet to my office. There is no quality loss, from what I can tell, at least the FLAC versions.

Again, I prefer using iTunes because the tagging and management of my libraries remains EXTREMELY simple.

Husted
2008-04-02, 01:44
Use http://www.chaoticsoftware.com/ProductPages/MediaRage.html to edit flac tags. It's well worth the $30.
I also use Max to rip to mp3 and flac at the same time, the flac's are for SB3 and the mp3 goes to my iPhone.
It would be great if iTunes could handle flac, we could all try to use http://www.apple.com/feedback/ and see if it helps.