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ppmoore
2008-03-21, 10:28
Hello,

Over the past year, I've been converting my CD and LP collections to MP3 so that I can play them all through my SB3. I have my music organised on my PC's hard disk using a hierarchical a system of folders sorted by Genre \ Band Name \ Album Name. So far, I've been happy with the listening experience. One bugbear has been naming convention - as far as I can see, group/band names are extracted from the ID3 tag of the album, and not from the folder name. This means that SB can display two group entries for the same band, for example, "10cc" and "10 cc".

I was wondering if an ID3 editor tool exists that would allow me to recursively rename a specific ID3 field of all tracks located below a folder for a specific band. This would avoid the hassle of having to manually update the fields for all tracks.

I'm quite new to the world of ID3 tags!

Many thanks,
Paul

snarlydwarf
2008-03-21, 10:41
I was wondering if an ID3 editor tool exists that would allow me to recursively rename a specific ID3 field of all tracks located below a folder for a specific band. This would avoid the hassle of having to manually update the fields for all tracks.

Yes, most good ones should let you do that. I assume this is on Windows? Mp3tag at http://www.mp3tag.de/ is used by many people here.

You can have it change only one tag in the files and leave the others alone.

And, yes, getting metadata right is an art.

ceejay
2008-03-21, 10:41
Hi

Start by reading this ... http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToTagging

Then download mp3tag (link on that wiki page) and start playing with it. Its very flexible and very powerful. Use it to fix your tags!

Lastly - it may be a bit late but ... why not rip to FLAC or some other lossless format? It will sound better and is a lot more future-proof...

HTH

ppmoore
2008-03-21, 11:21
Many thanks for the quick replies! I will look at Mp3tag.

Since the original post, I've come up with another question. Is there a standardised way to classify albums by genre?

I use CDex to rip my CDs, and usually it (or rather CDDB) provides different genre classifications for different albums from the same artist. For example, the two CDs from Placebo that I have are classified as Rock and Alternative.

Does anyone know if there is a standard classification for this available somewhere?

Thanks again,
Paul

Zaragon
2008-03-21, 11:36
Personally for Genre I prefer to set it to what I consider the music to be rather than what the original submitter did. I find it cuts down on the number of genre in the library and makes it more relevant to me.

snarlydwarf
2008-03-21, 11:36
Since the original post, I've come up with another question. Is there a standardised way to classify albums by genre?

You wish...



I use CDex to rip my CDs, and usually it (or rather CDDB) provides different genre classifications for different albums from the same artist. For example, the two CDs from Placebo that I have are classified as Rock and Alternative.

FreeDB sucks at genres. Totally arbitrary. You should be glad it got close..



Does anyone know if there is a standard classification for this available somewhere?

Welcome to the world of Library Science. Genres are very much a black art.

How would you classify, say, Dylan? Singer-Songwriter? Folk? Rock? Is Singer-Songwriter correct when he is covering an old blues song? Is Folk correct for anything past the mid60s? Is Slow Train Coming a Gospel album? What about Saved?

This all gets to be very personal, and SC lets you have multiple genres (so you can have "Folk;Live;Bootleg" for a track) and you may want to set Genres at a track level, not an album or artist level...

That said, http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:p is at least an interesting classifacation scheme. Maybe it will give you ideas on how you want to structure yours.

Beware, consistent and coherent genres are a very difficult task, very much akin to Library Science. You will admire and respect librarians more for their work in classifying materials.

pfarrell
2008-03-21, 12:10
snarlydwarf wrote:
> ppmoore;282149 Wrote:
>> Since the original post, I've come up with another question. Is there a
>> standardised way to classify albums by genre?
>
> You wish...

Its even more impossble than snarly hints.

Think of the folklore that Eskimo's have 500 words for snow, while folks
in Atlanda GA have two.

If you look at the ID3 spec for genres, you can tell that the folks who
invented them were all in their early 20s and didn't listen to jazz or
"classical"



> Welcome to the world of Library Science. Genres are very much a black
> art.

The library guys talk about "faceted controlled vocabulary"
and still they argue for months.

> Beware, consistent and coherent genres are a very difficult task, very
> much akin to Library Science. You will admire and respect librarians
> more for their work in classifying materials.

And, using ID3 tags to implement this complex art is a sin.


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

th00ht
2008-03-21, 12:10
...For example, the two CDs from Placebo that I have are classified as Rock and Alternative.

That is not so strange. People, Bands, composers tend to change the style over time. Earlier work of Andrew Bird I would very easily classify as Folk, newer (since Leatherman) work certainly not. And even within an album different songs can have a different style. IMHO styles belong to songs/tracks not to albums/composers/performers

smc2911
2008-03-21, 14:23
Think of the folklore that Eskimo's have 500 words for snow, while folks
in Atlanda GA have two.While Pat has used the word "folklore", I can't resist pointing out that this well known story about Eskimos and snow is certainly overdone, as I learned by reading The Great Eskimo Hoax (http://tinyurl.com/ycocqp) some years ago. This site (http://www.putlearningfirst.com/language/research/eskimo.html) takes the same approach and estimates 15 Eskimo "words for snow" and 22 for English.

Anyway, none of this gets away from the central fact that there is no magic bullet for genre.

Mnyb
2008-03-21, 14:34
there is a separate forum for tagging etc

named Ripping / Encoding / Transcoding / Tagging

http://forums.slimdevices.com/forumdisplay.php?f=8

sorry to be such a "know all /besserwisser " (a***)
but no one seems to aknowledge the sub forums anymore, everything goes to general discussion :-/

ppmoore
2008-03-22, 05:36
Many thanks everyone for your help.

Lot's of work now with Mp3tag ;<)

Paul