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Bhavesh Patel
2004-02-14, 15:35
Hi,

I have been following Slimdevices for years, I think since the first
year in 2001. I have been drooling over them for a while now. Up until
now, I wasn't really sure exactly what I wanted in terms of setup.

But now, I'm ready. I want to poll the current users and pros for some
ideas based on my goals.

Here's my room setup
------------------------------

Living room
This is where my home theatre and high end audio is.

Master bedroom
Probably high end amp and speakers. May skip preamp here.

Guest bedroom/Computer room
I will probably just use the Monsoon computer speakers here. I don't
play games, so I don't necessarily need great output straight from the
computer.

Master bathroom (plus/minus on this one)
This is off the main bedroom, so I may not do anything. However, I do
have a steam shower and I can't hear anything in there. Considering in
wall speakers for it (but I may just get a waterproof cd player)



Here's the hardware I have
-------------------------------------

Dual G4/400 Mac. - considering using this in the Living Room as a home
theater PC. But I'm also thinking about hosting my website myself off
my broadband, so I was considering using this machine as my server.
Don't know if I can do both

Intel Pentium Celeron P4 1.8Ghz - I could also use this as a home PC
and it would probably work better than the Mac (unfortunate, but true)

Pentium II 300MHz - this is just sitting around

Single G4/450 - also kind of sitting around. was going to sell it, but
I let my brother borrow it. So its available if I need.

A AMD Duron 850 machine - this is loud. I'd prefer not to use it. It
has the advantage of having a RAID motherboard, but I don't know how
much I need that feature

m-Audio Transit USB audio interface - the audio quality out of this
thing is AMAZING! I just hook this up to the USB port of whatever
machine I want, and the sound that comes out of the Transit is just
awesome

iBook G4 - this is my main machine that I use. I would like to be able
to control whatever is playing remotely with this machine. I don't want
the actual output to come from the iBook, but I want to be able to
control the music played with it. It seems like this is easy to do with
the http interface


Goals/Projects
--------------------

1) Audio in every room, synchronized or independent
2) Central control of what's playing, as well as local control (mostly,
I want to be able to browse my music collection as easily as I do in
iTunes sitting at my iBook, and have the music play remotely at the
stereo. But if I don't have my iBook, I want to be able to easily play
music at the stereo.
3) Home theater PC (quiet if at all possible)
4) Web hosting, email hosting, etc.


My plan
-----------

So here is what I am thinking:

Living Room

A PC as the home theater using either Linux or Windows. There is just a
lot more software and work done out there for the PC than there is for
the Mac :(. The PC could be running iTunes that is subscribed to the
slimserver stream at all times. Whenever I tell the server to play
something, it will automatically start playing.

Disadvantages to this setup (vs squeezebox): 1) selecting music
without the ibook or another computer will require turning on the TV
monitor 2) windows crashes 3) Have to run a wire or buy a wireless card
Advantages: can be a TiVo, video player, web browser, HDTV recorder,
and I can use the 24bit/96Khz Transit audio device for quality

Computer room/Guest room

Just play the music straight from the Mac to the speakers via the
on-board sound output. I will use the mac as my webserver, and
slimserver. I can choose to play straight from iTunes, or via the
server

Master Bedroom

Squeezebox connected straight to amp and speakers. Is there volume
control via remote on the squeezebox? If so, does the volume control
work at the squeezebox, or is the command sent to the computer and the
computer lowers the output? I think this is the best method for sound
in the bedroom, and I think it would be better than a PC setup just to
play streams.


Questions
--------------

So what do you guys think? Am I thinking about this correctly? How
would you guys do this given the equipment I have and my goals? I can
see where it might be nice to have a squeezebox in the living room, but
only if I didn't do htpc. It would be a little redundant to have HTPC
and squeezebox in the living room, although the squeezebox is more
reliable and probably is easier to use if I'm not controlling remotely.

If I want to browse music on the slimserver via a PC/Mac (remotely),
is it only via http, or can I use iTunes?

If anyone has any creative setup's, or anything cool that they are
doing with multiple pc's/macs/and slimdevices, i would be very
interested in hearing about the setup.

Thanks,

Bhavesh

Bhavesh Patel
2004-02-15, 21:31
Hi,

I didn't get much of a response .. this message was probably too long.
I played around with the slim server web interface yesterday to get a
sense of how it worked. it seems nice, but it also seems as though it
may be slow.

how many songs can you comfortably have in your library for the slim
server http interface to work well before it starts being too slow?

i also noticed that it was slow to actually change the songs playing
remotely. is this everyone else experience?

bhavesh

On Feb 14, 2004, at 4:35 PM, Bhavesh Patel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been following Slimdevices for years, I think since the first
> year in 2001. I have been drooling over them for a while now. Up until
> now, I wasn't really sure exactly what I wanted in terms of setup.
>
> But now, I'm ready. I want to poll the current users and pros for some
> ideas based on my goals.
>
> Here's my room setup
> ------------------------------
>
> Living room
> This is where my home theatre and high end audio is.
>
> Master bedroom
> Probably high end amp and speakers. May skip preamp here.
>
> Guest bedroom/Computer room
> I will probably just use the Monsoon computer speakers here. I don't
> play games, so I don't necessarily need great output straight from the
> computer.
>
> Master bathroom (plus/minus on this one)
> This is off the main bedroom, so I may not do anything. However, I do
> have a steam shower and I can't hear anything in there. Considering in
> wall speakers for it (but I may just get a waterproof cd player)
>
>
>
> Here's the hardware I have
> -------------------------------------
>
> Dual G4/400 Mac. - considering using this in the Living Room as a home
> theater PC. But I'm also thinking about hosting my website myself off
> my broadband, so I was considering using this machine as my server.
> Don't know if I can do both
>
> Intel Pentium Celeron P4 1.8Ghz - I could also use this as a home PC
> and it would probably work better than the Mac (unfortunate, but true)
>
> Pentium II 300MHz - this is just sitting around
>
> Single G4/450 - also kind of sitting around. was going to sell it, but
> I let my brother borrow it. So its available if I need.
>
> A AMD Duron 850 machine - this is loud. I'd prefer not to use it. It
> has the advantage of having a RAID motherboard, but I don't know how
> much I need that feature
>
> m-Audio Transit USB audio interface - the audio quality out of this
> thing is AMAZING! I just hook this up to the USB port of whatever
> machine I want, and the sound that comes out of the Transit is just
> awesome
>
> iBook G4 - this is my main machine that I use. I would like to be able
> to control whatever is playing remotely with this machine. I don't
> want the actual output to come from the iBook, but I want to be able
> to control the music played with it. It seems like this is easy to do
> with the http interface
>
>
> Goals/Projects
> --------------------
>
> 1) Audio in every room, synchronized or independent
> 2) Central control of what's playing, as well as local control
> (mostly, I want to be able to browse my music collection as easily as
> I do in iTunes sitting at my iBook, and have the music play remotely
> at the stereo. But if I don't have my iBook, I want to be able to
> easily play music at the stereo.
> 3) Home theater PC (quiet if at all possible)
> 4) Web hosting, email hosting, etc.
>
>
> My plan
> -----------
>
> So here is what I am thinking:
>
> Living Room
>
> A PC as the home theater using either Linux or Windows. There is just
> a lot more software and work done out there for the PC than there is
> for the Mac :(. The PC could be running iTunes that is subscribed to
> the slimserver stream at all times. Whenever I tell the server to play
> something, it will automatically start playing.
>
> Disadvantages to this setup (vs squeezebox): 1) selecting music
> without the ibook or another computer will require turning on the TV
> monitor 2) windows crashes 3) Have to run a wire or buy a wireless
> card
> Advantages: can be a TiVo, video player, web browser, HDTV recorder,
> and I can use the 24bit/96Khz Transit audio device for quality
>
> Computer room/Guest room
>
> Just play the music straight from the Mac to the speakers via the
> on-board sound output. I will use the mac as my webserver, and
> slimserver. I can choose to play straight from iTunes, or via the
> server
>
> Master Bedroom
>
> Squeezebox connected straight to amp and speakers. Is there volume
> control via remote on the squeezebox? If so, does the volume control
> work at the squeezebox, or is the command sent to the computer and the
> computer lowers the output? I think this is the best method for sound
> in the bedroom, and I think it would be better than a PC setup just to
> play streams.
>
>
> Questions
> --------------
>
> So what do you guys think? Am I thinking about this correctly? How
> would you guys do this given the equipment I have and my goals? I can
> see where it might be nice to have a squeezebox in the living room,
> but only if I didn't do htpc. It would be a little redundant to have
> HTPC and squeezebox in the living room, although the squeezebox is
> more reliable and probably is easier to use if I'm not controlling
> remotely.
>
> If I want to browse music on the slimserver via a PC/Mac (remotely),
> is it only via http, or can I use iTunes?
>
> If anyone has any creative setup's, or anything cool that they are
> doing with multiple pc's/macs/and slimdevices, i would be very
> interested in hearing about the setup.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bhavesh
>
>

kdf
2004-02-15, 23:53
Quoting Bhavesh Patel <vesh (AT) veshman (DOT) com>:


> how many songs can you comfortably have in your library for the slim
> server http interface to work well before it starts being too slow?

it mainly depends on how many items you display per page. This is a server
setting. Otherwise, the sheer number shouldn't affect you too much after the
initial startup and first selection of some menu items. After this, much of it
will be cached into memory. More RAM the better, of course.

> i also noticed that it was slow to actually change the songs playing
> remotely. is this everyone else experience?

This would be due to teh buffer. This depends on bitrate, network lag, and
settings in your software client. In winamp, its a setting in the MPEG decoder
input plugin for streaming.

-kdf

Bhavesh Patel
2004-02-16, 09:35
> --- Bhavesh Patel <vesh (AT) veshman (DOT) com> wrote:
>> how many songs can you comfortably have in your library for the slim
>> server http interface to work well before it starts being too slow?
>>
>
> I have a little over 10,000 songs and the speed is fine.
>

ok, that's good to hear. I have about 20,000.


>> i also noticed that it was slow to actually change the songs playing
>> remotely. is this everyone else experience?
>
> Not here, although for both of your questions - what's acceptable for
> one person might not be acceptable for another.
>

i think it depends on the purpse...if I am just going to be listening to
stuff without thinking about it, it's probably fine. But if I am going to
be browsing music and checking out different music, it might be better for
me to use one of the "iTunes remote" to control iTunes anyway, and just
use the http for controlling a squeezebox.
does the squeezebox also have a delay?

Bhavesh