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Rob Funk
2004-02-13, 15:39
After being way behind reading these lists for the past six weeks, I think
I'm finally caught up...

I recently upgraded my Linux server to use SlimServer 5.1 (from 4.2.6),
added the 5.x version of the Shoutcast Browser plugin and the TV Listings
plugin, and am mostly happy.

One feature that I'm missing is the AlienStream plugin, to listen to
internet radio that uses Windows Media or RealAudio instead of MP3 for
streaming. (I don't care about playing local wma files.) I saw that Peter
Heslin and Dan Sully were working on adding this ability to the server,
but haven't seen anything about it lately.

So is it possible yet to do something with convert.conf so that I can play
remote wma/ra streams?

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Dan Sully
2004-02-13, 16:09
* Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to say...

>One feature that I'm missing is the AlienStream plugin, to listen to
>internet radio that uses Windows Media or RealAudio instead of MP3 for
>streaming. (I don't care about playing local wma files.) I saw that Peter
>Heslin and Dan Sully were working on adding this ability to the server,
>but haven't seen anything about it lately.
>
>So is it possible yet to do something with convert.conf so that I can play
>remote wma/ra streams?

Slow progress here, as life has been intruding into code.

A number of people here have suggested ways for doing Real Audio streaming.

http://awgn.antifork.org/pic/misc/real-buffering.jpg

It's unlikely to be integrated into the server anytime soon because of lack
of commandline tool or API.

WMA is more likely and doable with existing FFMPEG/avcodec/avformat code, but
has licensing problems, so SlimDevices themselves wouldn't be able to include
it in the standard distribution. But once that is finished however, it can be
easily pluggable via a separate download.

-D
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<iNoah> I won't be satisfied until I have a rectally-insertable laptop

Rob Funk
2004-02-13, 17:23
(Hey, let's give this newsgroup thang a try...)

Dan Sully wrote:
> Slow progress here, as life has been intruding into code.

I know the feeling.

> It's unlikely to be integrated into the server anytime soon because of
> lack of commandline tool or API.

AlienStream.pm used/uses trplayer, which requires the RealPlayer SDK.
http://www.linux-speakup.org/trplayer.html
.... along with vsound: http://www.xenoclast.org/vsound/

trplayer works well for me from the command line, and I've used the
trplayer/vsound combination to record programs when I'm not around, via
cron.

> WMA is more likely and doable with existing FFMPEG/avcodec/avformat code,
> but has licensing problems, so SlimDevices themselves wouldn't be able to
> include it in the standard distribution. But once that is finished
> however, it can be easily pluggable via a separate download.

Yeah, I don't expect either one to be built into the standard distribution.

Thanks.

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==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
http://www.funknet.net/rfunk | -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

Dan Sully
2004-02-13, 17:34
* Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to say...

>AlienStream.pm used/uses trplayer, which requires the RealPlayer SDK.
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/trplayer.html
>... along with vsound: http://www.xenoclast.org/vsound/

If there's an API, that's a lot better for me. Is it cross platform though?

-D
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The floggings will continue until morale improves.

Rob Funk
2004-02-13, 18:28
Dan Sully wrote:
> * Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> shaped the
electrons to say...
>>AlienStream.pm used/uses trplayer, which requires the RealPlayer SDK.
>> http://www.linux-speakup.org/trplayer.html
>>... along with vsound: http://www.xenoclast.org/vsound/
>
> If there's an API, that's a lot better for me. Is it cross platform
though?

No cross-platform, which is to be expected with these proprietary
technologies.

As for API, again with proprietary technologies we take what we can get.
And both Real and WMA are definitely proprietary. Personally I think the
existence of trplayer is miracle enough.

Basically I'm hoping to be able to add a few lines to convert.conf in order
to get at least the functionality of AlienStream.pm -- which is Linux-only
as I recall.

My understanding is that convert.conf removes the need for an API anyway,
and takes us back to the realm of pipes and external programs. (A
comfortable realm for us Linux people, though not as comfortable for
Windows people.)

--
==============================| "A slice of life isn't the whole cake
Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> | One tooth will never make a full grin"
http://www.funknet.net/rfunk | -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"

kdf
2004-02-13, 19:55
Quoting Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net>:

> Dan Sully wrote:
> > * Rob Funk <rfunk (AT) funknet (DOT) net> shaped the
> electrons to say...
> >>AlienStream.pm used/uses trplayer, which requires the RealPlayer SDK.
> >> http://www.linux-speakup.org/trplayer.html
> >>... along with vsound: http://www.xenoclast.org/vsound/
> >
> > If there's an API, that's a lot better for me. Is it cross platform
> though?
>
> No cross-platform, which is to be expected with these proprietary
> technologies.
>
> As for API, again with proprietary technologies we take what we can get.
> And both Real and WMA are definitely proprietary. Personally I think the
> existence of trplayer is miracle enough.
>
> Basically I'm hoping to be able to add a few lines to convert.conf in order
> to get at least the functionality of AlienStream.pm -- which is Linux-only
> as I recall.
>
> My understanding is that convert.conf removes the need for an API anyway,
> and takes us back to the realm of pipes and external programs. (A
> comfortable realm for us Linux people, though not as comfortable for
> Windows people.)
>
Look in the january archibe. There was some discussion about real audio and
linux. A couple people seemed to have a solution that worked for them.

-kdf