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joergonaut
2004-02-11, 16:48
Hello,

i'd like to stream music in a LAN with Winamp or an other player on a Windows
machine and receive it in real time with my Slimp3. The streaming server should
run under Linux. I tryed Shoutcast, but it's far away from real time. I read
about Shoutcast version 1.7.0 and 1.7.1. There wasn't a buffer implemented, so
this should nearly provide real time. But i didn't found one of these versions
for Linux. Has anyone this version or can tell me a solution for my issue?

thanks in advance, joerg.

Mike Beranek
2004-02-13, 10:26
Joerg -
You may want to try using icecast for your streaming server. I have not
used it but I it's fairly popular.

I am using both winamp and shoutcast (both on same windows box). It's a
nice way to provide a regular radio station/TV Audio (or any analog signal)
to your S3 or Squeezebox.

I have seen, but have not purchased one yet, AM/FM tuner cards for your PC
that you can control via a standard UI. This would be an ideal item to add
to the winamp server machine. Is this what you're thinking? Be nice to
compare solutioning notes, etc.

Regards,
Mike Beranek


"joergonaut" <joergonaut (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote in message
news:1666016126.20040212004852 (AT) gmx (DOT) de...
> Hello,
>
> i'd like to stream music in a LAN with Winamp or an other player on a
Windows
> machine and receive it in real time with my Slimp3. The streaming server
should
> run under Linux. I tryed Shoutcast, but it's far away from real time. I
read
> about Shoutcast version 1.7.0 and 1.7.1. There wasn't a buffer
implemented, so
> this should nearly provide real time. But i didn't found one of these
versions
> for Linux. Has anyone this version or can tell me a solution for my issue?
>
> thanks in advance, joerg.

Joerg Kuester
2004-02-13, 18:32
Hello,

> Joerg -
> You may want to try using icecast for your streaming server. I have not
> used it but I it's fairly popular.

i just tried it. Icecast server and Winamp with Oddcast DSP plugin are running
on my Windows computer. Works very well. The delay between sender (Winamp) and
receiver (Slimp3) is much lesser than before when using Shoutcast. It's now
round about 3 seconds.

> I am using both winamp and shoutcast (both on same windows box). It's a
> nice way to provide a regular radio station/TV Audio (or any analog signal)
> to your S3 or Squeezebox.

> I have seen, but have not purchased one yet, AM/FM tuner cards for your PC
> that you can control via a standard UI. This would be an ideal item to add
> to the winamp server machine. Is this what you're thinking? Be nice to
> compare solutioning notes, etc.

For listening music Icecast is most suitable. But i hoped, that i can watch
video or tv on my computer and listen the audio over my stero system trough
Slimp3. But therefore i need real time streaming without delay. Streaming
client/server without compression and therewith no buffering/delay would be
ideal. The LAN would be fast enough. But up to now i found no solution.


Regards, Joerg.


> "joergonaut" <joergonaut (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote in message
> news:1666016126.20040212004852 (AT) gmx (DOT) de...
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'd like to stream music in a LAN with Winamp or an other player on a Windows
>> machine and receive it in real time with my Slimp3. The streaming server
>> should run under Linux. I tryed Shoutcast, but it's far away from real time.
>> I read about Shoutcast version 1.7.0 and 1.7.1. There wasn't a buffer
>> implemented, so this should nearly provide real time. But i didn't found one
>> of these versions for Linux. Has anyone this version or can tell me a
>> solution for my issue?
>>
>> thanks in advance, joerg.

Daniel Cohen
2004-02-14, 00:07
Is there any way of playing CDs through my SlimServer (to my
Squeezebox) without either ripping them as MP3s or copying them to my
hard drive?

Mostly when I want to listen to a CD, I just play it on my stereo
system. But some computer-created CDs don't play well on my CD
player, and I pretty much have to play them on my computer, which
ties me down to the room where my computer is (which isn't where the
stereo is).

I wouldn't object to making a temporary change in my SlimServer
settings, to make the CD my music folder - that would only be a few
seconds work to change and change back. But this doesn't seem
possible, I had thought that a Unix path such as /Volumes/Audio\ CD
would work, but it's not accepted as valid by the SlimServer.

If it's not currently possible to play CDs directly, would it make
sense for the developers to add the possibility of using such Unix
paths in a future release?

I just got my Squeezebox a few days ago, and like it a lot, but
haven't yet been able to do all I want of it. I think I've just found
a way of doing one of the things I needed, but haven't had time to
try it yet.

I'm using a G4 Mac under OS10.3.2.
--
Daniel Cohen

mherger
2004-02-14, 01:30
> Mostly when I want to listen to a CD, I just play it on my stereo
> system. But some computer-created CDs don't play well on my CD player,

Hmm... if they're computer-created, why don't you just play the original
files?

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Joerg Kuester
2004-02-14, 02:46
Hello Daniel,

> Is there any way of playing CDs through my SlimServer (to my Squeezebox)
> without either ripping them as MP3s or copying them to my hard drive?

> Mostly when I want to listen to a CD, I just play it on my stereo
> system. But some computer-created CDs don't play well on my CD
> player, and I pretty much have to play them on my computer, which
> ties me down to the room where my computer is (which isn't where the
> stereo is).

> I wouldn't object to making a temporary change in my SlimServer
> settings, to make the CD my music folder - that would only be a few
> seconds work to change and change back. But this doesn't seem
> possible, I had thought that a Unix path such as /Volumes/Audio\ CD
> would work, but it's not accepted as valid by the SlimServer.

> If it's not currently possible to play CDs directly, would it make
> sense for the developers to add the possibility of using such Unix
> paths in a future release?

> I just got my Squeezebox a few days ago, and like it a lot, but
> haven't yet been able to do all I want of it. I think I've just found
> a way of doing one of the things I needed, but haven't had time to
> try it yet.

> I'm using a G4 Mac under OS10.3.2.

I think the best solution for you will be streaming, the way i described in my
previous mail in this tread.

It is very simple. What you need is Winamp with installed CD play functionality,
the Shoutcast DSP plugin and the Shoutcast server (all available for MAC OS).
(May be you can use other players/servers, but i'm not versed with MAC OS and
don't know what is available for MAC and compatible with the Squeezebox.) You
can run the Server also anywhere in your LAN with a different OS. Create a
playlist file in your music directory (music directory of Slimserver) containing
the URL of your streaming server. Then configure and start the server, configure
the plugin and play the CD with Winamp (or other player) and play the playlist
file with your Squeezebox by searching the music library. Now you can listen
your CD.


Regards, Joerg

Daniel Cohen
2004-02-14, 02:49
On 14/2/04 at 9:30 am +0100, Michael Herger wrote
>>Mostly when I want to listen to a CD, I just play it on my stereo
>>system. But some computer-created CDs don't play well on my CD
>>player,
>
>Hmm... if they're computer-created, why don't you just play the
>original files?
>
Because they weren't created on *my* computer.

A friend is a musician, and I have several CDs of his that he burned
on his machine. Also, some of the very small circulation traditional
folk music CDs are computer-produced.

--
Daniel Cohen

Daniel Cohen
2004-02-14, 14:23
On 14/2/04 at 10:46 am +0100, Joerg Kuester wrote
>Hello Daniel,
>
>> Is there any way of playing CDs through my SlimServer (to my Squeezebox)
> > without either ripping them as MP3s or copying them to my hard drive?
>
>
>> I wouldn't object to making a temporary change in my SlimServer
>> settings, to make the CD my music folder - that would only be a few
>> seconds work to change and change back. But this doesn't seem
>> possible, I had thought that a Unix path such as /Volumes/Audio\ CD
>> would work, but it's not accepted as valid by the SlimServer.
>
>> If it's not currently possible to play CDs directly, would it make
>> sense for the developers to add the possibility of using such Unix
> > paths in a future release?
>
>I think the best solution for you will be streaming, the way i described in my
>previous mail in this tread.

I had realised that was a possibility. Costs extra money, and I found
that I had to up the multicast rate on my Airpor Base Station, which
reduces the signal level.

It certainly works - the relevant program is called Nicecast.

In another thread Tim Marino is saying that he was unable to access a
music folder on a network drive. That seems somewhat similar to my
inability to select an audio CD as my music folder using a Unix
description of it. Perhaps my suggestion that developers should look
at this isn't just one person being eccentric in the way he wants to
use Squeezebox. In fact, is it even possible to access a Music folder
that is on a different drive from the main one, or even a different
partition?
--
Daniel Cohen