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jonheal
2008-02-28, 10:19
Here's a rhetorical question...

How come AV Receivers don't include some kind of visualizer module so you can watch pretty colors on your TV jump around to your music? Or do they?

I don't know ... don't have one ...

SilverRS8
2008-02-28, 10:23
Would that be a unique selling point? Personally I don't see much use in turning my TV on when I want to listen to music. It just distracts from the actual 'music expierence'.

jonheal
2008-02-28, 10:31
Would that be a unique selling point? Personally I don't see much use in turning my TV on when I want to listen to music. It just distracts from the actual 'music expierence'.

Well ... I'd like it.

Mark Lanctot
2008-02-28, 11:03
AV receivers don't focus much on music playback.

The hardware is there, although I'm not sure about the CPU power (most of the brains is in the DSP).

SuperQ
2008-02-28, 12:05
I know more than one person that has asked why the squeezebox doesn't have TV output. My main answer is a lot of squeezebox owners put them in a room without a TV.

Personally I just wish there was a SqueezeVideo. I've been looking for something to front-end my video media and have found nothing but half-ass buggy interfaces. For now I've given up and just attached a PC to my TV for movie playback.

Ben Sandee
2008-02-28, 12:23
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:05 PM, SuperQ <
SuperQ.35i8yn1204225801 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> I know more than one person that has asked why the squeezebox doesn't
> have TV output. My main answer is a lot of squeezebox owners put them
> in a room without a TV.


The funny thing is, which video output would they choose? Composite? God
no. Component? Eek, *three* extra ports. DVI? HDMI? The truth is they
would need *all* of them. It ceases to be a simple change at that point.
If you go that far, you might as well turn it into a video squeezebox, which
you discuss in your next paragraph...


> Personally I just wish there was a SqueezeVideo. I've been looking for
> something to front-end my video media and have found nothing but
> half-ass buggy interfaces. For now I've given up and just attached a
> PC to my TV for movie playback.


Everyone is all a-ragin' about AppleTV. XBMC would be *great* if it could
decode mpeg4, but it's not powerful enough. The thing is, any device that
comes out right now is really still in the 'early adopter' phase. I'd say
that in 18-24 months you're going to see a serious uptick, spurred in large
part by AppleTV. The first device that plays all media from UPNP servers
and also integrates with Netflix will be a real winner, in my book.

Ben

jonheal
2008-02-28, 12:24
AV receivers don't focus much on music playback.

The hardware is there, although I'm not sure about the CPU power (most of the brains is in the DSP).

I can see how visualizations would require some hefty processing since iTunes on my Mac and WMP on the PC both heat up the processors a bit when running visualizations.

Does the iPhone do visualizations?

Kurt
2008-02-28, 12:27
Winamp does amazing visualizations. Isn't there a plugin that streams Slim to Winamp? This is kludge, but on the machine with Winamp couldn't you could enjoy the visualizations on that, or even hook that machine up to your TV?

I've hooked up a machine with Winamp running to a projector that casts the visualizations across a small dance floor in my basement.

Great fun eye candy and people love it.

pfarrell
2008-02-28, 12:50
jonheal wrote:
> I can see how visualizations would require some hefty processing since
> iTunes on my Mac and WMP on the PC both heat up the processors a bit
> when running visualizations.

I have a friend who back in the 60s hacked his Heathkit color TV, drove
the vertical with one channel, the horizontal with another, and drive
the color circuit with some part of the frequency/gain. It was cool,
altho very 60s/70s effect. There were no CPUs in use, this was long
before the Altar MITS systems were available.



--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

msherman
2008-02-28, 12:58
Ben Sandee wrote:
>
> The funny thing is, which video output would they choose? Composite? God
> no. Component? Eek, *three* extra ports. DVI? HDMI? The truth is they
> would need *all* of them. It ceases to be a simple change at that point.
> If you go that far, you might as well turn it into a video squeezebox, which
> you discuss in your next paragraph...

As stupid as I think the clamour for a "video squeezebox" is, given the
niche this product was designed for, I have to argue with this strawman.
DVI-I is the obvious choice for a single plug; it can be easily
converted to all the other formats with an appropriate cable.

- Marc

jonheal
2008-02-28, 13:08
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:05 PM, SuperQ <
SuperQ.35i8yn1204225801 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> I know more than one person that has asked why the squeezebox doesn't
> have TV output. My main answer is a lot of squeezebox owners put them
> in a room without a TV.


The funny thing is, which video output would they choose? Composite? God
no. Component? Eek, *three* extra ports. DVI? HDMI? The truth is they
would need *all* of them. It ceases to be a simple change at that point.
If you go that far, you might as well turn it into a video squeezebox, which
you discuss in your next paragraph...


> Personally I just wish there was a SqueezeVideo. I've been looking for
> something to front-end my video media and have found nothing but
> half-ass buggy interfaces. For now I've given up and just attached a
> PC to my TV for movie playback.


Everyone is all a-ragin' about AppleTV. XBMC would be *great* if it could
decode mpeg4, but it's not powerful enough. The thing is, any device that
comes out right now is really still in the 'early adopter' phase. I'd say
that in 18-24 months you're going to see a serious uptick, spurred in large
part by AppleTV. The first device that plays all media from UPNP servers
and also integrates with Netflix will be a real winner, in my book.

Ben

What I was imagining was "simply" an AV receiver that behaves the same way AV receivers behave now, which is they take a bunch of audio and video inputs and output them to your TV and speakers.

Only an option would exist to output to your TV, a video signal modulated by the audio signal from one of the receiver's audio inputs (fed by the Squeeze-thingy of your choice).

Ben Sandee
2008-02-28, 13:12
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Marc Sherman <msherman (AT) projectile (DOT) ca>
wrote:

> Ben Sandee wrote:
> >
> > The funny thing is, which video output would they choose? Composite?
> God
> > no. Component? Eek, *three* extra ports. DVI? HDMI? The truth is
> they
> > would need *all* of them. It ceases to be a simple change at that
> point.
> > If you go that far, you might as well turn it into a video squeezebox,
> which
> > you discuss in your next paragraph...
>
> As stupid as I think the clamour for a "video squeezebox" is, given the
> niche this product was designed for, I have to argue with this strawman.
> DVI-I is the obvious choice for a single plug; it can be easily
> converted to all the other formats with an appropriate cable.


That's cool, I didn't realize that. It boggles my mind that more products
don't use that technology if it's so easily available. My point still
stands, once you have the ability to output video you would quickly want to
use it for much more than visualizations and once you get to the point of
decoding video and all of the assorted audio encodings you have a much more
complicated box on your hands, not just a squeezebox with a handy 'video
out'.

Ben

Ben Sandee
2008-02-28, 13:17
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:08 PM, jonheal <
jonheal.35ibqn1204229401 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> What I was imagining was an AV reeciever that behaves the same way AV
> receivers behave now, which is they take a bunch of audio and video
> inputs and output them to your TV and speakers.


Your thread was inadvertantly hijacked by the 'video squeezebox' concept...

I see your point about an AV receiver doing this. I just bought a new
receiver that will aggregate all video signals into an HDMI connection to my
TV and I wonder if there's some sort of loopback video device that you could
hook into an existing receiver so that the audio is piped in from the SB,
processed for visualizations, and then the resulting video is generated and
sent back to the receiver and finally forwarded to the TV.

Ben

jonheal
2008-02-28, 13:25
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:08 PM, jonheal <
jonheal.35ibqn1204229401 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> What I was imagining was an AV reeciever that behaves the same way AV
> receivers behave now, which is they take a bunch of audio and video
> inputs and output them to your TV and speakers.


Your thread was inadvertantly hijacked by the 'video squeezebox' concept...

I see your point about an AV receiver doing this. I just bought a new
receiver that will aggregate all video signals into an HDMI connection to my
TV and I wonder if there's some sort of loopback video device that you could
hook into an existing receiver so that the audio is piped in from the SB,
processed for visualizations, and then the resulting video is generated and
sent back to the receiver and finally forwarded to the TV.

Ben

I definitely see a product there, if it doesn't exist already!!

bishopdonmiguel
2008-02-28, 13:58
Personally I just wish there was a SqueezeVideo. I've been looking for something to front-end my video media and have found nothing but half-ass buggy interfaces. For now I've given up and just attached a PC to my TV for movie playback.

I got one of these recently... http://www.popcornhour.com

Not flawless, but so far I'm impressed.

kkitts
2008-02-28, 14:09
I know more than one person that has asked why the squeezebox doesn't have TV output. My main answer is a lot of squeezebox owners put them in a room without a TV.

Personally I just wish there was a SqueezeVideo. I've been looking for something to front-end my video media and have found nothing but half-ass buggy interfaces. For now I've given up and just attached a PC to my TV for movie playback.

I'm using MythTV (from www.g-ding.tv) for this on one TV (an old Sony 32" Analog). I have a Mac mini on a newer Samsung LCD. The mac mini will do 1920x1080 - I picked it up off Craigs List for a bargain $200.00. I'd buy another one if I could find one for that price...

jonheal
2008-02-28, 14:58
I'm using MythTV (from www.g-ding.tv) for this on one TV (an old Sony 32" Analog). I have a Mac mini on a newer Samsung LCD. The mac mini will do 1920x1080 - I picked it up off Craigs List for a bargain $200.00. I'd buy another one if I could find one for that price...

I give up ... my thread has been hopelessly hijacked.

:-)