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EnochLight
2008-02-24, 10:24
It's truly a sad day, as Apple has just sent the Hym forums a C&D warning a few days ago forcing them to remove QTFaireUse and all files associated with it. Read the announcement here:

http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17241#17241

I will now no longer use the iTMS to purchase music as any DRM infected files cannot be played on my Squeezeboxes. It's a shame too - using QTFaireUse did nothing that couldn't be accomplished legally by burning to CD and then ripping back to your computer. It just made the whole process a lot simpler, plus watermarked the file with your email addy that you used to purchase the original file from iTMS anyway. In other words, they were losing NOTHING.

A travesty... DRM is evil and accomplishes nothing but irritating the very consumer that pays for their music.

ddewey
2008-02-24, 10:30
Quoting EnochLight (EnochLight.35apfn1203873901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com):

>
> It's truly a sad day, as Apple has just sent the Hym forums a C&D
> warning a few days ago forcing them to remove QTFaireUse and all files
> associated with it. Read the announcement here:
>
> http://hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17241#17241
>
> I will now no longer use the iTMS to purchase music as any DRM infected
> files cannot be played on my Squeezeboxes. It's a shame too - using
> QTFaireUse did nothing that couldn't be accomplished legally by burning
> to CD and then ripping back to your computer. It just made the whole
> process a lot simpler, plus watermarked the file with your email addy
> that you used to purchase the original file from iTMS anyway. In other
> words, they were losing NOTHING.
>

DVDJon (Jon Lech Johansen) has another solution that accomplishes
the same thing by another means - he's just launched DoubleTwist:
http://www.doubletwist.com

IIRC it was Jon that wrote the original Hymn project code....


dd

EnochLight
2008-02-24, 12:19
Good info dd; thanks!

One good quality about QTFaireUse that will be sorely missed was that it intercepted the audio prior to reaching your soundcard and re-encoded it bit-for-bit back into a duplicate .m4a file without any re-compression (minus the DRM).

DoubleTwist actually re-encodes the .m4p into an .mp3 - lossy re-compressing it (and compromising the already compromised sound quality).

That said, beggars can't be choosers and DoubeTwist at least saves one the lengthy steps of burning a purchased iTMS song onto a CD and then re-ripping it into another file one-by-one.

*sigh*

autopilot
2008-02-24, 13:36
Do people really go to the trouble of burning a CD, just to re-rip it? If you had to do that and actually like terrible sound quality, could you not at least use a virtual CD program?

andyg
2008-02-24, 13:37
Amazon MP3 store, who needs iTunes? :)

Pale Blue Ego
2008-02-24, 14:04
If nobody ever bought DRM'ed music, this would not be an issue.

gbruzzo
2008-02-24, 15:07
a) www.muvaudio.com

b) www.doubletwist.com / just noticed the previous post, sorry for repeating

EnochLight
2008-02-24, 16:35
Amazon MP3 store, who needs iTunes? :)

True - although it's clunky compared to iTunes (I do have an iPod that I sync any purchased music with), it's a far better choice than buying DRM-infected files from the iTMS.

I'm leaning towards Amazon at this point, with DoubelTwist as a last resort.

Itlan
2008-02-24, 21:23
TuneBite also removes the DRM from iTunes. Seems like a better solution because a.) it's local to your box, doubletwist you upload to their servers I think. b.) It has a a virtual sound driver to rip the DRM out of. So while not as good as what hymn did by taking it out of memory its not nearly as bad as analog removal.

Some techweenies did some high end comparison of ripped files versus the original and they were damn near identical. You can searhc on their forums and find it under reviews or something.

Im still amazed, pay Amazon $10 and get a DRM free higher bitrate sample or Apple $10 and get DRM'd lower bit rate. Just dont get how iTunes has legs.

I love iTunes Plus but buying DRM w/o hymn anymore is crazy!

autopilot
2008-02-25, 01:22
in 12-24 months, i dont think anyone will be using DRM anyway (apart from subscription services like Napster).

mflint
2008-02-25, 02:08
If nobody ever bought DRM'ed music, this would not be an issue.
Exactly!

I'm minded to think that Apple has a point though: if you buy stuff from iTunes, then you're entering into an agreement which involves DRM-crippled downloads. If people agree to the iTunes Terms & Conditions (which every user must do, even if they don't read the Ts & Cs) then they shouldn't complain if Apple tries to force the users to obey those Ts & Cs.


Im still amazed, pay Amazon $10 and get a DRM free higher bitrate sample or Apple $10 and get DRM'd lower bit rate. Just dont get how iTunes has legs.

I love iTunes Plus but buying DRM w/o hymn anymore is crazy!
I think one of the main reasons is laziness. Many folks can't be bothered doing through the buy CD/rip/tag process, so will settle for lower quality lossy tunes. Ironically, they'll happily perform the 'remove-DRM' task if possible, which is weird...

Another reason iTunes will win is because of tie-in. Buy and iPod? Use iTunes. Buy Apple TV? Use iTunes. Buy any Mac? Get iTunes

exile
2008-02-25, 08:28
I think one of the main reasons is laziness. Many folks can't be bothered doing through the buy CD/rip/tag process, so will settle for lower quality lossy tunes.

Personally I don't see it as a laziness issue. If given the option of driving to a cd store, finding parking, standing in line to buy the cd, driving back home, ripping it into my computer and then incorporating it into my music library OR turning on my laptop, doing one level of search on amazon mp3 download for the album i want and then clicking the download button and then just moving that folder of music files into my library, I will opt for the much simpler option.