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Mark McIntyre
2004-02-06, 09:56
I cannot get the slim device to work prroperly.

Here is the set-up:

Cable modem connected to router. Router is connected via ethernet
cables to dual 800 Quicksilver (OS 10.3.2) and Airport base.
Qucksilver and TiBook both have airport cards and are connected to
Airport network.

Slimdevice is about 25-30 feet away from Airport base.

Both Quicksilver and Tibook have the slimserver installed. Music is
in AIFF or AAC (not purchased from Apple store) format, and resides
on a separate hard drive (120 g, 7200 rpm) in the Quicksilver.

Essentially, I want to control the player through the Tibook to avoid
tying up the CPU of the Quicksilver.

Have installed iTunes-LAME on both machines. Have run the usual
permissions, sudo's and Disk warrior.

Prior to installing 5.1, the server worked well on the Quicksilver
with AAC files, but not with AIFF files...very broken reception.
Radio stations through iTunes work fine. Running the server on the
Tibook was entirely different. Nothing worked except the radio
stations. iTunes on theTibook did play music from the hard drive in
the Quicksilver without problem.

Last night I upgraded to the 5.1 server. Now I cannot even play AAC
files from the Qucksilver without choppy cut-off reception. Radio
keeps jumping from channel to channel. Impossible to play anything on
the TiBook as it churns away trying to connect to "localHost." I am
not running both servers at once.

Please help. This was very expensive and i cannot afford a piece of
non-functioning hardware.

Thanks very much,

Mark Mcintyre


--
http:www.macofallarts.com

dean
2004-02-06, 10:22
Hi Mark,

The 5.1 release changed the support for AAC to stop recompressing the
AAC files with LAME and stream them uncompressed. This works great
over ethernet and with wireless if you have a strong enough wireless
network. It sounds like your wireless setup isn't quite up to
streaming the uncompressed audio.

If you can improve the strength of your wireless connection by moving
or reorienting your access point and/or player, that might do the trick
for you.

You can change the settings to enable conversion to MP3 to reduce the
network requirements by editing the convert.conf file that is part of
the SlimServer software.

To do this, from the Finder, choose Go To Folder from the Go menu.

Type in this path:

~/Library/PreferencePanes/SlimServer.prefPane/Contents/server

(if that doesn't work try removing the ~ from the front.)

Then open the file convert.conf with TextEdit or your favorite text
editor. Look for the lines that contain the word "squeezebox" and
comment them out by putting a # symbol at the beginning of
each line. This will force SlimServer to convert all the files to MP3
before streaming them to your player.

-dean



On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:56 AM, Mark McIntyre wrote:

> I cannot get the slim device to work prroperly.
>
> Here is the set-up:
>
> Cable modem connected to router. Router is connected via ethernet
> cables to dual 800 Quicksilver (OS 10.3.2) and Airport base.
> Qucksilver and TiBook both have airport cards and are connected to
> Airport network.
>
> Slimdevice is about 25-30 feet away from Airport base.
>
> Both Quicksilver and Tibook have the slimserver installed. Music is in
> AIFF or AAC (not purchased from Apple store) format, and resides on a
> separate hard drive (120 g, 7200 rpm) in the Quicksilver.
>
> Essentially, I want to control the player through the Tibook to avoid
> tying up the CPU of the Quicksilver.
>
> Have installed iTunes-LAME on both machines. Have run the usual
> permissions, sudo's and Disk warrior.
>
> Prior to installing 5.1, the server worked well on the Quicksilver
> with AAC files, but not with AIFF files...very broken reception. Radio
> stations through iTunes work fine. Running the server on the Tibook
> was entirely different. Nothing worked except the radio stations.
> iTunes on theTibook did play music from the hard drive in the
> Quicksilver without problem.
>
> Last night I upgraded to the 5.1 server. Now I cannot even play AAC
> files from the Qucksilver without choppy cut-off reception. Radio
> keeps jumping from channel to channel. Impossible to play anything on
> the TiBook as it churns away trying to connect to "localHost." I am
> not running both servers at once.
>
> Please help. This was very expensive and i cannot afford a piece of
> non-functioning hardware.
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> Mark Mcintyre
>
>
> --
> http:www.macofallarts.com
>

Mark McIntyre
2004-02-06, 14:08
Hi Dean,
Thanks for the response.

I made the change to the convert file and now both AIFF and AAC files
are playing through the Quicksilver server. Thank you for that
work-around. However, they are playing as compressed files and the
combined CPU usage of the server and Lame often equals 59% of my
CPU...no doubt due to compression. This is a problem as I often work
on extremely large Photoshop files and need the CPU.....and it also
the reason I bought the slim device in the first place...so I could
use it wirelesly with the TiBook, as advertised.

Even with the new convert file, the server on the TiBook can only
play radio, and that very intermittently. The html interface is only
partially visible and has the following text under "Music Player":
http://205.188.234.36:8018/.

TheTiBook is on the Airport network. When I use iTunes on the TBook,
it's library is pointed to a hard drive that is connected to
theQuicksilver. It has no problem playing those AAC or AIFF files.
The SlimServer, though, seems incapable of doing the same.

I tried an experiment and brought the TiBook (which is notorious for
poor Airport reception) to the spot where the SlimDevice is located.
I then tried playing AAC music files through iTunes...whose library
was pointed to the files on the hard drive of the Quicksilver, itself
on the Airport network. No problem...played fine. When I tried AIFF
files, they were very skippy.

Shouldn't the slim device be capable of at least the same playback?

I suppose I will need to connect the slim device to the router via
ethernet cable for it to work properly..which will mean drilling
through floors etc.

Your product has great potential, But it is now advertised as being
able to stream uncompressed AIFF files wirelessly (including via
Airport) to a stereo receiver. That simply is not the case, although
I am more than willing to be proven wrong since functionality is my
goal, and not any criticism of your product or the honesty of your
marketing. It is a lot of money to spend for a device that does not
live up to its promises or the glowing reviews that seem more based
on expectation than actual usage.

I'd be more than happy to tweak this any which way possible to help
it do its job, but for now am very frustrated.

Thanks for giving this your consideration.
Best,
Mark





>Hi Mark,
>
>The 5.1 release changed the support for AAC to stop recompressing
>the AAC files with LAME and stream them uncompressed. This works
>great over ethernet and with wireless if you have a strong enough
>wireless network. It sounds like your wireless setup isn't quite up
>to streaming the uncompressed audio.
>
>If you can improve the strength of your wireless connection by
>moving or reorienting your access point and/or player, that might do
>the trick for you.
>
>You can change the settings to enable conversion to MP3 to reduce
>the network requirements by editing the convert.conf file that is
>part of the SlimServer software.
>
>To do this, from the Finder, choose Go To Folder from the Go menu.
>
>Type in this path:
>
>~/Library/PreferencePanes/SlimServer.prefPane/Contents/server
>
>(if that doesn't work try removing the ~ from the front.)
>
>Then open the file convert.conf with TextEdit or your favorite text
>editor. Look for the lines that contain the word "squeezebox" and
>comment them out by putting a # symbol at the beginning of
>each line. This will force SlimServer to convert all the files to
>MP3 before streaming them to your player.
>
>-dean
>
>
>
>On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:56 AM, Mark McIntyre wrote:
>
>>I cannot get the slim device to work prroperly.
>>
>>Here is the set-up:
>>
>>Cable modem connected to router. Router is connected via ethernet
>>cables to dual 800 Quicksilver (OS 10.3.2) and Airport base.
>>Qucksilver and TiBook both have airport cards and are connected to
>>Airport network.
>>
>>Slimdevice is about 25-30 feet away from Airport base.
>>
>>Both Quicksilver and Tibook have the slimserver installed. Music is
>>in AIFF or AAC (not purchased from Apple store) format, and resides
>>on a separate hard drive (120 g, 7200 rpm) in the Quicksilver.
>>
>>Essentially, I want to control the player through the Tibook to
>>avoid tying up the CPU of the Quicksilver.
>>
>>Have installed iTunes-LAME on both machines. Have run the usual
>>permissions, sudo's and Disk warrior.
>>
>>Prior to installing 5.1, the server worked well on the Quicksilver
>>with AAC files, but not with AIFF files...very broken reception.
>>Radio stations through iTunes work fine. Running the server on the
>>Tibook was entirely different. Nothing worked except the radio
>>stations. iTunes on theTibook did play music from the hard drive in
>>the Quicksilver without problem.
>>
>>Last night I upgraded to the 5.1 server. Now I cannot even play AAC
>>files from the Qucksilver without choppy cut-off reception. Radio
>>keeps jumping from channel to channel. Impossible to play anything
>>on the TiBook as it churns away trying to connect to "localHost." I
>>am not running both servers at once.
>>
>>Please help. This was very expensive and i cannot afford a piece of
>>non-functioning hardware.
>>
>>Thanks very much,
>>
>>Mark Mcintyre
>>
>>
>>--
>>http:www.macofallarts.com
>>

Mark McIntyre
2004-02-07, 00:29
Follow-up.

Got a tip from a helpful guy on DealMac that the Airport base is set
up by default to be a DCHP server, which would conflict with the
router, also a DCHP server. So I changed that setting...and checked
the seting making the Airport station a bridge between ethernet and
Airport. Also changed the density (to HIGH from LOW) and multicast
rate (from 2 to 11)

Now both AAC and AIFF files play from the Quicksilver via ethernet to
the airport base station, and beamed thence to the SlimDevice. Only
very infrequent hiccups when playing AIFF. The wireless network seems
plenty robust.

However, still unable to play from the Tibook. Once the SlimServer
starts up, the perl app takes forever (5-6 hours at last count) to go
through the playlist (files on hardrive in Quicksilver). Again,
iTunes has no problem with playing these same files located on a hard
disk in the Quicksilver.

This all leads me to believe that the SlimDevice is capable of
advertised powers....unfortunately the documentation for Mac users,
esp Panther, is slim.

I will try to continue to troubleshoot as time allows.

Thanks, Mark


--
Mark McIntyre
http://www.macofallarts.com

kdf
2004-02-07, 00:48
Quoting Mark McIntyre <squeeze (AT) markmcintyre (DOT) com>:


> This all leads me to believe that the SlimDevice is capable of
> advertised powers....unfortunately the documentation for Mac users,
> esp Panther, is >slim. <----

jeez, I feel for you, but subjecting us to that is just not nice :)
-kdf

Mark McIntyre
2004-02-07, 00:53
BTW, Anyone else notice that the sound level from 3 to 4 is a big
jump, and that the sound levels get louder or softer on their own.

Could also be old age. Mine, not the server software.

Mark McIntyre
2004-02-07, 00:55
As someone once said, "Nice is different than good." ; }


>jeez, I feel for you, but subjecting us to that is just not nice -kdf
>