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ConsideringBuying
2008-02-02, 14:50
I know there is another poll about building an external amp. I would actually like to see something much simpler: A SlimBox Receiver with a built-in amp.

Just like the Sonos, I would like to have something I just plug-in, connect the speakers and go. I don't want to have to worry about connections, power switching, multiple wall warts, hissing while the music isn't playing, etc.

To go after the mass market, I really think they need this. The average person can probably pick out some speakers, but I don't think they want to mess with IR blasters, etc.

Zaragon
2008-02-02, 16:04
To be honest I think that you are asking exactly the same question as the other thread.

Almost all the same points apply irrespective of whether the amp is separate or included.

If you were to include one then the size would have to increase significantly, you would restrict choice as to the amp as in what power should it be, how much quality should it have, what speakers should it be designed to drive at what level and impedence etc.

If you take a look at other threads I believe you'll see one or two about boomboxes where a similar idea has been discussed.

In respect to the IR Blaster, that isn't necessary there are quite a few fixed gain amps on the market that will also drop into standby when the SB is turned off, I recall some discussion recent about the T-Amp and it doing just that.

Fifer
2008-02-02, 16:08
I really don't think the average Slim Devices customer would value a product with a built-in amp. I'm pretty sure that SD and Logitech undertake market research to determine what the market wants and what it doesn't. For me, the product offering appears to be developing in exactly the right direction.

iPhone
2008-02-02, 21:08
I know there is another poll about building an external amp. I would actually like to see something much simpler: A SlimBox Receiver with a built-in amp.

Just like the Sonos, I would like to have something I just plug-in, connect the speakers and go. I don't want to have to worry about connections, power switching, multiple wall warts, hissing while the music isn't playing, etc.

To go after the mass market, I really think they need this. The average person can probably pick out some speakers, but I don't think they want to mess with IR blasters, etc.

Not to Flame, but if you want a Sonos, buy the over priced piece of junk! Slim Devices is doing the right thing, no built in amp to jack up the price. They have a superior product at a price better for the consumer.
This is NOT an iPod or MP3 player. It is a Network Media Player that will play high-resolution music files (FLAC). If you want a cheap amp to go with any old speakers, buy one. Don't ask SD to waste time and money on bad ideas. If you just have to have an amp solution built into your SBR, buy a pair of AudioEngine2s and be done with it especially if you are just playing MP3s. If you are listening to FLAC, buy a Duet, nice amp, and a great pair of speakers being happy in the money you saved over the over priced Sonos.

pfarrell
2008-02-02, 21:18
iPhone wrote:
> If you are listening to FLAC, buy a Duet,
> nice amp, and a great pair of speakers being happy in the money you
> saved over the over priced Sonos.

Or some nice powered speakers.
One can spend from $10 up to many thousands of dollars (pounds, euros,
etc.) on powered speakers. They work great with SqueezeBoxen, Duets, etc.



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Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

EnochLight
2008-02-02, 22:27
I don't think he is asking the same as my poll was. In fact, I think an integrated amp into a later version of a Squeezebox Receiver probably *would* sell to select customers. Is it a good idea though?

I dunno, I'd just assume see a separate amp that could be used for all Slim products instead (Squeezebox, Receiver, or Transporter - though customers who have $2K to drop on a Transporter would unlikely be interested).

peter
2008-02-03, 00:58
Fifer wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
> results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43003
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Do you think a SlimBox Receiver with an integrated amp would
> sell?
>
> - Yes
> - No
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I really don't think the average Slim Devices customer would value a
> product with a built-in amp. I'm pretty sure that SD and Logitech
> undertake market research to determine what the market wants and what
> it doesn't. For me, the product offering appears to be developing in
> exactly the right direction.
>

I would. I guess many people who have multiple SB's and don't like to
own multiple amps would agree. From SD's POV I probably wouldn't add a
built in amp, because, unless it would be really top class (=expensive)
it would damage the company's audiophile credibility, which is one of
their important points. I already got my multiple amps anyway and
powered speakers are a good alternative.

Regards,
Peter

matthijskoopmans
2008-02-03, 02:19
The question is: "do you think it will sell", not "would you buy it".

I think it will sell. There are many things that sell, which I would not touch with a 20 ft pole...

So, I would not buy a squeezebox with an integrated amplifier. Unless... there are some ok speakers integrated with it as well, and it is battery operated, so you can have some music on the go, around your house within your wireless range... But.. that was also not the question (and I would not buy that as a replacement for my current slim devices in the house).

As for Branding... Logitech might consider using the same SqueezeCenter platform, but the device would not be sold under the Slim division (so not advertised under the Slim Devices website)... would keep us happy, right (i mean, do we care about the other Logitech audio gear in this forum?)

Cheers

Matt

Mushroom_3
2008-02-03, 03:57
I agree with Matt. The question was "would it sell?"

I think it would. Would I buy one? - no.

The Squeezebox/Duet is in a difficult place in the market. Many on this forum consider it an audiophile product. How many other audiophile products do you see on the shelves of PC World? (For our North American cousins this is a large UK chain)

Ian

rojah
2008-02-03, 10:52
I was told that you can sell dog crap if you package it (promote it) right. I don't think it would sell in any quantity to justify building one. I also would not purchase it.