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Robert Jennings
2004-01-27, 09:58
This list is getting harder to read all the time. I'm not aware of any
guidelines specific to the list so I'd like to _politely_ refer people
to the following clause in "RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines"[1].
Especially the bit about "simply replying" being bad form.

2.1 User Guidelines
2.1.1 For mail:
<snip>
- Be brief without being overly terse. When replying to a message,
include enough original material to be understood but no more. It
is extremely bad form to simply reply to a message by including
all the previous message: edit out all the irrelevant material.
<snip>

[1] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

andreas
2004-01-27, 13:08
Robert Jennings wrote:
> This list is getting harder to read all the time. I'm not aware of any
> guidelines specific to the list so I'd like to _politely_ refer people
> to the following clause in "RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines"[1].
> Especially the bit about "simply replying" being bad form.

Word! Couldn't have said it better myself... sometimes it's a pain trying
to find a relevant answer within a 100+ lines mail, especially if the
answer is just around 1-2 lines itself ;/

rgds
/andreas

Jason Snell
2004-01-27, 13:27
>This list is getting harder to read all the time.

In terms of subject matter, I wonder if there needs to be a list
between or below the two existing (discuss and developer) lists.

Hence this comment from Robin:

>It really is a pain to have to subscribe and deal with this high volume
>of email in order to ask one or two questions.

Perhaps there should be a "slimp3-help" list that's a helpful,
low-volume community to solve problems, but that's separate from
discussions of new feature requests, whether Slim Devices products
are doomed to failure due to the competition, etc.?

I'm not sure if that's the way to slice it, but it seems that there
are a couple of different audiences on this list and while members of
the one audience are happy to be in both, members of the other
audience seem to have no stomach for the other half. A list
separation might make some sense.

-jason
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Simon
2004-01-27, 14:34
On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:17:02PM -0800, Kilgore Trout wrote:
> I second this, though a message board would be the
> best.

You do realize that you just failed to follow the guidelines put forth
by the first poster in this thread, right? ;)

--
Simon

Jack Coates
2004-01-27, 14:43
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 13:34, Simon wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 01:17:02PM -0800, Kilgore Trout wrote:
> > I second this, though a message board would be the
> > best.
>
> You do realize that you just failed to follow the guidelines put forth
> by the first poster in this thread, right? ;)

he tells me that I do too, which I found puzzling. Perhaps a reference
to my signatures.... Anyway, I'm all for another list or a web forum as
an additional form of support for the newbie questions; the real
question is resources for such a thing on Slim Devices' part.
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Roy M. Silvernail
2004-01-27, 14:43
Kilgore Trout said:
> I second this, though a message board would be the
> best.

Take a look at http://www.mysqueezebox.com for a set of
Squeeze'n'Slimpy-oriented message boards.

(yoiks! I just realized how close that is to Ren and Stimpy! :D )
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Wayne Mery
2004-01-27, 14:51
Jason Snell wrote:

>> This list is getting harder to read all the time.
>
>
> In terms of subject matter, I wonder if there needs to be a list between
> or below the two existing (discuss and developer) lists.
>
> Hence this comment from Robin:
>
>> It really is a pain to have to subscribe and deal with this high volume
>> of email in order to ask one or two questions.
>
>
> Perhaps there should be a "slimp3-help" list that's a helpful,
> low-volume community to solve problems, but that's separate from
> discussions of new feature requests, whether Slim Devices products are
> doomed to failure due to the competition, etc.?

If strictly reducing current volume is the motivation, then it may be
premature given the relatively low volume of 15-30 messages/day
(including the blip increases accompanying new releases). BTW the
volume info for 'discuss' at http://www.slimp3.com/dev_resources.html
needs to be updated - we're no longer at 5/day.

If there's a desire to better help customers, especially new customers
whose volume can only be expected to increase substantially as slim
closes in on the millionth sale -:), then something clearly oriented to
first time users may be appropriate. slim-help, although descriptive,
doesn't seem quite restrictive enough. How about one of the following:

newbie
installationandconfiguration
firsttimers
setup

Simon
2004-01-27, 15:19
On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 02:06:53PM -0800, Kilgore Trout wrote:
>
> > You do realize that you just failed to follow the
> > guidelines put forth
> > by the first poster in this thread, right? ;)

[...]

> Oh really, and exactly what guidelines are stipluated
> in this post?

Err, try reading the message?
---
From: Robert Jennings <slim (AT) jennings (DOT) tv>
Subject: [slim] RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines
Message-Id: <1075222739.4170.47.camel@greedo>
---

No need to get snappy, my reply to you was atleast semi-joking.

--
Simon

Simon
2004-01-27, 16:05
On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 02:41:23PM -0800, Kilgore Trout wrote:
> > Err, try reading the message?
>
> Okay, I will yet again post the entirety of the
> message that I responded to. Please explain how I am
> violating the principles set forth by this message.

[lots of stuff snipped]

Try reading what i wrote in my initial respons to you again.

"You do realize that you just failed to follow the guidelines put forth
by the first poster in this thread, right? ;)"

_The first poster in this thread_ does not refer to the message that you
responded to, it refers to the first message in the thread. Try tracing
the In-Reply-To headers back through the mails. Or just take a look at
the mail with the Message-Id/Subject i referenced in a previous reply to
you.

--
Simon

Mark C. Langston
2004-01-27, 16:33
I've never understood, nor will I ever understand, people who complain
about receiving mail from mailing lists to which they've voluntarily
subscribed.

That's the point of mailing lists: To send mail. Not every email will
be relevant to any one individual and that individual's world. Yet,
inevitably, there's a subgroup of people on any mailing list that starts
complaining as soon as daily volume exceeds some very small number
(usually 1 or 2).

If you're unwilling or unable to filter your incoming mail into
subfolders to better handle the load, unsubscribe.

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