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Musketeer
2007-11-30, 04:22
After a couple of months with it I can say I am extremely satisfied with my Squeezebox 3. Probably more so than with any other piece of electronics I have bought for a long time. It does what it does really well.

What is the best video equivalent to the squeezebox? I mean one that is not in beta version 0.9, one that is second or third gen and stable. I want one that streams most common video files (like divx) from network storage and does it really well. It doesn't need to have a million other features, like music streaming and web streaming etc.

I don't suppose you slim guys are working on a video squeezebox by any chance??

What do the rest of you use?

PS: I hope it's not too inappropriate posting this here, I just figured that the kind of people that buy a Squeezebox and are in here reading the forums are likely to be good people to ask about video streaming!

Gibbo
2007-11-30, 05:09
apple tv?

http://www.apple.com/appletv/

barcar
2007-11-30, 05:10
What do the rest of you use?

After a lot of research (and getting fed up waiting for a SlingCatcher - http://us.slingmedia.com/object/io_1168286861787.html) I went for the "Freecom Mediaplayer-350 WLAN Drive-In kit" (http://www.freecom.com/ecproduct_detail.asp?ID=3406&CatID=8060&sCatID=1147633&ssCatID=1147633).

It connects to your TV via HMDI or composite and streams lots of video formats wirelessly, from an internal hard disk or USB media.

The Freecom device appears to be a rebranded Mediagate MG-350HD (http://www.mediagateusa.com/html/mg350.html) or maybe they are both rebranded versions of something else. In any case they are the same hardware but Mediagate is US only.

I haven't found much it can't play back yet - it takes DivX/XVid, HD Transport Streams, DVD images, etc. Of course, like the Squeezebox, there is no support for DRM'd files but, like the Squeezebox, that's not a problem.

Regarding the Freecom "drive in kit" - this is the playback hardware without an internal drive (cheaper). My intention was to stream remotely from my PC (like my SqueezeBoxen) which works fine but I ended up buying a PATA hard drive to mount inside it. It now works as a NAS and my video can easily be transferred via FTP or SAMBA file sharing.

With hindsight I should have bought one of the models with a drive pre-installed - that would have been cheaper.

Hope that helps.

Musketeer
2007-11-30, 05:15
Unfortunately the Apple TV is really crippled in terms of what type of video files it plays. In fact, it wouldn't play most of mine unless I converted them one-by-one.

The Freecom looks promising though! What is the user interface like?

barcar
2007-11-30, 05:27
The Freecom looks promising though! What is the user interface like?

UI is pretty usable - it's not up there with Tivo or the like - you select your media location (hd, usb, lan, wlan) and media type (all, video, music, photos) then you browse the targets which can contain folders and long file names. Once you've selected your media, the playback controls are just like any PVR/VCR.

In my opinion the only thing it's missing is the ability to mark files as played or to move them into some sort of archive.

It also supports internet audio (from ShoutCast if I recall) but with Squeezeboxen in the house I can't see why you would use that feature.

PaulR
2007-11-30, 05:33
If you're into DIY and like tinkering with PCs, MythTV might be worth a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV

I've not yet tried it myself but the thing that appeals is that it's continuously being developed.

barcar
2007-11-30, 05:39
If you're into DIY and like tinkering with PCs, MythTV might be worth a look.

The advantage of the Freecom solution - like SqueezeBox - is that you don't need a PC where you want to play back the media.

But if you went that route there is also the Mac Mini with EyeTV (http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products.en.html).

Musketeer
2007-11-30, 05:43
The advantage of the Freecom solution - like SqueezeBox - is that you don't need a PC where you want to play back the media.



Yeah, thats what I'm aiming for. A simple, small, quiet device that starts up quickly and streams my video rather than a full featured PVR device.

That said, MythTV looks heaps interesting to have a tinker with :)

peter
2007-11-30, 05:53
Musketeer wrote:
> After a couple of months with it I can say I am extremely satisfied with
> my Squeezebox 3. Probably more so than with any other piece of
> electronics I have bought for a long time. It does what it does really
> well.
>
> What is the best video equivalent to the squeezebox? I mean one that is
> not in beta version 0.9, one that is second or third gen and stable. I
> want one that streams most common video files (like divx) from network
> storage and does it really well. It doesn't need to have a million
> other features, like music streaming and web streaming etc.
>
> I don't suppose you slim guys are working on a video squeezebox by any
> chance??
>

Well, I wrote a videobox program for Windows once... ;)

http://videobox.sourceforge.net/

> What do the rest of you use?
>

I'm already running a home (linux) server anyway (for slimserver etc.)
so I prefer to use that for my video solution as well. The big
disadvantage of using a server is that it's big and noisy (if it's a
good one). This can be solved by confining it to it's own space, I have
a small utility room that's well suited for that. The audio/video signal
from the server is broadcast thru the house over the TV cable system
(with an AV modulator). That gets the picture and audio to the TV sets.

For software I use MythTV as well as mplayer and vlc. To control the
MythTV/mplayer/vlc software I use my own slimserver lirc plugin. That
way any squeezebox remotes keypresses are sent to the MythTV/mplayer
application (whenever the SqueezeBox itself is in standby). Since I have
a SqueezeBox near every TV, that completes the puzzle.

It may not be a turn-key solution (MythTV is a bit of a hassle to set
up) but it works very well for me in practice and I don't have all kinds
of unsightly and noisy boxes around the house. In fact, I don't even
have a DVD-player. ;)

Regards,
Peter

bpa
2007-11-30, 06:15
This site is pretty good at reviewing current hardware and also technical info.

http://www.mpcclub.com/

MillmoorRon
2007-11-30, 06:16
UI is pretty usable - it's not up there with Tivo or the like - you select your media location (hd, usb, lan, wlan) and media type (all, video, music, photos) then you browse the targets which can contain folders and long file names. Once you've selected your media, the playback controls are just like any PVR/VCR.

Can you select a folder and have it play randomly from its contents?

barcar
2007-11-30, 06:22
Can you select a folder and have it play randomly from its contents?

Not something I've used... but following a quick test - you can select all the files in a folder, add them to a playlist and then shuffle the playlist before playback. A bit clunky but it seems to work.

SuperQ
2007-11-30, 08:42
If you're into DIY and like tinkering with PCs, MythTV might be worth a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV

I've not yet tried it myself but the thing that appeals is that it's continuously being developed.

What I've been looking for is a hardware mythfrontend box. Some of the media streamers support some kind of UPNP protocol that may work for doing mythfrontend stuff.

Right now my TV is close enough that a 3m HDMI cable works.

patrija
2007-11-30, 09:10
check out the d-link hd media lounge offerings. it is very slick with video streaming, active tv integration, plus does a pretty damn good job with music streaming. I have a few friends that have switched from sonos or SB3 to this solution and are very happy with it. in particular, they love single box solution, tv-driven control for all media, and ability to control their entire library through the latest version of windows media server.

i've been tempted to go this way myself, but have spent a lot of money on slimdevices technology, including several SB's plus a transporter. I love the high end audio and technical focus, and am hoping that the logitech acquisition helps us "catch up" with family friendly usability.

bpa
2007-11-30, 09:16
What I've been looking for is a hardware mythfrontend box. Some of the media streamers support some kind of UPNP protocol that may work for doing mythfrontend stuff.

How the the Hauppauge MediaMVP with custom s/w - it has a MythTV and Slimserver client - not HD however.

http://mvpmc.wikispaces.com/?token=aad815d41dac0e093e1e8231f42e8a49&responseToken=174cde7e6d25dafbfe0ff07a7d7678b0

peter
2007-11-30, 10:10
bpa wrote:
>> What I've been looking for is a hardware mythfrontend box. Some of the
>> media streamers support some kind of UPNP protocol that may work for
>> doing mythfrontend stuff.
>>
>>
> How the the Hauppauge MediaMVP with custom s/w - it has a MythTV and
> Slimserver client - not HD however.
>
> http://mvpmc.wikispaces.com/?token=aad815d41dac0e093e1e8231f42e8a49&responseToken=174cde7e6d25dafbfe0ff07a7d7678b0
>

Word is that it's very underpowered for playing video.

Regards,
Peter

bpa
2007-11-30, 10:50
Word is that it's very underpowered for playing video.

I found it OK to play normal SD Video off a server using NFS. It is important to ensure video is in best format to play on MVP.

peter
2007-11-30, 11:22
bpa wrote:
>> Word is that it's very underpowered for playing video.
>>
>>
> I found it OK to play normal SD Video off a server using NFS. It is
> important to ensure video is in best format to play on MVP.
>

That's a bit fatal for me. I don't want to have to convert before I play.

Other than that a thin client for MythTV sounds good. It's built as a
client-server setup, but I have the feeling hardly anyone uses it that
way. There wasn't even a working Windows client last I looked.

Regards,
Peter

ob_kook
2007-11-30, 11:36
If you're into DIY and like tinkering with PCs, MythTV might be worth a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV

I've not yet tried it myself but the thing that appeals is that it's continuously being developed.

Or you could try Media Portal (http://www.team-mediaportal.com/)

It would also be a PC based DIY solution, and you could build a small form factor silent PC for it.

jaysung
2007-11-30, 12:51
Anyone tried the Eva 8000 of Netgear? From what I read it has good interfaces and plays videos and stuff just using smb/cifs indexing the library itself. That looks like a good solution if you already have a server box sitting somewhere remote.

Nickolay V
2007-11-30, 14:10
Dear Friends our discussion not full correct.

If compare wishful hypothetical VIDEO media player with Slimdevices audio systems, that means IT WILL BE pure UPnP-DLNA system : With MediaSERVER- With MediaRENDERER(= PLAYER) - And with intermediate CONTROL POINT (!!! With WEB interface, but NOT ONLY with player OSD GUI )

I also wish such player for to have great potential video multiroom system.

Musketeer
2007-11-30, 18:09
Good news:

I just read that next week's dashboard update for the xbox 360 will give "improved video codec support". Allegedly this includes divx/xvid support.

Its no video squeezebox, but if you already have a 360 - I do - it becomes a quick and costless option. I wish it wasn't so noisy though!

Bad news:

I use the Readynas NV+ to store my media. I don't have the latest firmware installed, but it is needed to use UPnP with the 360. Unfortunately there are reports of problems using the Readynas with the Squeezebox after the upgrade.

Damn it, I don't want to mess up the sweet Squeezebox + Readynas combo I have working here, but I would like to be able to stream my divx files to my xbox!

EDIT: The link for those who might be interested: http://tinyurl.com/yp5hkh

ceejay
2007-12-01, 00:51
As it happens, I'm in the market for such a device (video equivalent to SB) at the moment. I'm planning to build a new media server which, as well as storing my music library and running slimserver, will contain my DVD collection and a bunch of other video material. This is of course only feasible now that 750GB+ discs are a reasonable price.

The impetus for doing this was that - having cleared my living room of CDs some time ago - I'm getting annoyed by having a pile of DVDs build up instead!

Candidate devices include:

Netgear EVA8000
Linksys KISS 1600 (also includes DVD player)
DViCO TViX M5100SH/M4100SH
Popcornhour Network Media Tank

Of course none of these are exactly equivalent to the SB, this is very much an immature market. I wouldn't be at all surprised if I end up dumping the first device I buy for something better in a year or so's time - but the main investment is going to be in the server, and in my time setting up the content, so I'm not too bothered about that.

It should also be pointed out that all of these devices also play music, so are in a sense competitors to the SB: audio quality is obviously not a priority, so I guess many current users will be happy to keep both, but I am sure that the mass market will only want one such device in their living room. There's yet another direction for Logitech to be looking at...... (lets say, start with a Netgear EVA8000, add a small display, add Slimserver support, put a half-decent DAC in - $500 anyone?)

avforums (UK bias) covers this sort of thing, amongst many others.

Ceejay

TurnipMan
2007-12-01, 17:16
Get an old XBOX and softmod it. Put XBMC on it. You can play just about any video format out there. I think it uses mplayer.
It is not quiet but does work very well and makes me want to look into a proper streaming video solution when funds allow. A second hand XBOX is £40 on the high street.

sander
2007-12-02, 15:42
I would put forth in the current environment there will never be anything equivalent in the video world due to the differences in digital video, opposite digital audio.

Companies like Apple and Slim/Logitech piggy backed on the success of the whole digital audio ecosystem, which grew out of an environment that no longer exists.

The biggest problem I see is the lack of anything remotely similar to the ubiquity of MP3, and now that the content producers are intent on DRM, it will be a long time (maybe never) that you can buy movies in a decent format like Divx/Xvid or H.264/mkv. Instead they will shoehorn you into some proprietary junk, that will likely only play with extensive trans coding or some constant checking with their server.

So we're stuck with the tower of babel, both incoming (file format) and outgoing (HDMI 1.3 and beyond). I think the issue comes down to where you're getting your video and how you want to play it, and what your server is.

If you want to play anything you need a beefy CPU on either end (client or server), from what I've seen the best on the client would be some sort of hacked PC (xbmc, hacked appletv) but you're talking a great amount of prep time with the chance of bricking the device. On the back end there are a number of servers each with their own set of drawbacks, generally ranging from freedom/anonymity on one end to the ability to play protected media/corporate tracking on the other.

More common are UPnP devices which have custom chip sets (usually Sigma Designs) which can trans code on the server end if you run their PC software.

I have the buffalo LinkTheater DVD player, and for what I use it for, streaming Divx/xvid/Mpeg 2/4 it works pretty well, but most other things it sucks. What I like is I can stream from my NAS and all the video is done on the device which means I don't need a real server. But without transcoding it will never play my Sony SD 550 movies or any newer codecs, which I can live with for now.

My feeling is Asian companies will take the lead on this as they're less worried about DRM, and don't have to deal with media companies coming after them, like American companies do. Most of the units mentioned in this thread are Asian units rebranded for a small US distribution company. So there won't be a quirky Slim type start-ups coming down the pike more like TVIX (check out the TVIX forums to see what I'm talking about http://forum.tvixbox.com/ ).

The best forum/information source I've found on this is the AVS Forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=39

Good luck!

hoosier
2007-12-02, 21:33
Hands down, the best video solution is a TViX (www.dvico.com). It does for video what the Squeezebox does for audio.

They are still working on new and better hardware, so at this point, it reminds me a lot of the original Squeezebox with the crappy VFD (before it went bitmapped). The box aint that pretty either.

Of all of the video solutions out there, the reason the TViX stands out is that it plays ripped DVDs (in single file .ISO or multi file IFO/VOBs) as if they were actual DVDs (menus and all).

The TViX also makes a lame attempt at playing mp3/flac/ogg files, but it really shines with DVDs and video.

They all play high def and newer models will also play h.264 files, but it chokes on high bandwidth HD files encoded as VC1 or h.264 (ie Blue Ray or HDDVD). No problems with mpeg2 (over the air high def is fine).

I own 5 Squeezeboxen and 2 TViX players (a 5000 and a 4100). They complement each other well.

Musketeer
2007-12-03, 05:51
Hands down, the best video solution is a TViX (www.dvico.com). It does for video what the Squeezebox does for audio.



Doesn't look too bad actually. Feature set looks nice on paper (or LCD!), but what are the interface and usability like? Is it stable (i.e. does it tend to crash or freeze up)?

I like the look of the 5100SH - just under $500.

xio
2007-12-03, 06:02
I use a mac mini - it's as quiet as any pvr I've owned and has spdif connection for multi channel audio and you can pretty much connect it to anything for a display (one way or another). As it comes with a remote and front-row built in, it's pretty much good to go out of the box. All I did was rip the dvd's and store them on a linux server in another room (where slimserver runs) and share the folders.

davidcotton
2007-12-03, 06:07
Hi

Was just wondering what programs you used on the mini to achieve this?

Looking at something similar.

xio
2007-12-03, 13:50
I use mac the ripper to rip stuff and dvd assist to get it to play through front row. Other than that a couple of scripts I hacked together to make sure the network connections reconnect at startup and wakeup and that's about it.

dvd assist puts a trailer of a few seconds on the front of your movie (pre menu) which isn't a big problem. (OK, I know that's not exactly how it works, but it is how it appears). It is basically a quicktime lead in that fools the mac into playing from a folder instead of an actual dvd. The only functionality you lose is that you can't go back to a movie that you've watched previously and carry on where you left it. All the disc menus etc still work though. As the whole setup is small, quiet and largely childproof (in as much as these things can be) the WAF is quite high too.

hoosier
2007-12-03, 20:13
Doesn't look too bad actually. Feature set looks nice on paper (or LCD!), but what are the interface and usability like? Is it stable (i.e. does it tend to crash or freeze up)?

I like the look of the 5100SH - just under $500.

The interface is nothing special - the TViX is a small Linux box in reality. The display is just the directory structure, but a well conceived directory structure makes navigation easy. You can assign jpg images in place of directories though, and if you look through threads on www.avsforum.com, you will find where somebody wrote a real nice program to make the interface more apealing.

As far as stability, I have not had any problems with DVD .iso files. I think there are fastforward/rewind issues when playing various file types like xvid/wmv, but all in all a pretty stable device.

Let me just finish by saying my wife thinks the TViX is aeasier to navigate through than the squeezebox.

Smiley Dan
2007-12-04, 02:14
MythTV works very nicely for me. The machine running the frontend (the equivalent of a Squuezebox) is silent. The key advantage over just another 'video player' is that it captures television broadcasts too so that you can watch them later, like Tivo. It really does change the way you think about TV.

dcote
2007-12-04, 06:18
hi!

in case no body has suggested them yet:

-> Linksys/KISS DP 600/1600
-> FujitsuSiemensComputers Activy mediaplayers

good luck searching!

Musketeer
2007-12-04, 07:18
Ok, I can see a number of options out there. I get the strong feeling that this is a bad time to buy though. The video streamers out there look like yesterday's tech in many respects.

With this much demand out there, I get the feeling that a killer device must be around the corner.

I wonder if the Slim/Logi guys might be tempted to take a sniff at something like this? Logitech Squeezebox Video? ;)

For now a quiet as possible, small form factor media pc is starting to look like the best option. I'll wait and see.

Kaizen28
2007-12-05, 06:49
Candidate devices include:

Netgear EVA8000
Linksys KISS 1600 (also includes DVD player)
DViCO TViX M5100SH/M4100SH
Popcornhour Network Media Tank
Ceejay

Hi

Yes, this market is significantly underdeveloped when compared to audio streaming. I'm not aware of anything that works in the same way that the SB runs today.

I have both a TViX and a Popcornhour. My needs are HDMI 1080P and the ability to stream practically any format under the sun. None of these boxes are good when it comes to audio so I see them as pure video playback devices.

I see them as beta release products which I'm used to. If you work within their parameters of operation though they are excellent.

I highly recommend both of the devices I have!

Musketeer
2007-12-05, 07:12
Hi

I have both a TViX and a Popcornhour. My needs are HDMI 1080P and the ability to stream practically any format under the sun. None of these boxes are good when it comes to audio so I see them as pure video playback devices.

I see them as beta release products which I'm used to. If you work within their parameters of operation though they are excellent.

I highly recommend both of the devices I have!

Hi, just out of interest which Tvix have you got and do you have a lot of stability issues with the popcornhour? Thanks!

sander
2007-12-05, 09:11
I have both a TViX and a Popcornhour.

How do they compare?

My concerns with each are:
Popcorn Hour, unproven, low availability.
TViX, price, reported firmware problems, ugly UI, inconsistent HD playback.

That said they seem like the players to beat going forward.
What I really want to know, is do you think Popcorn Hour will be as good as Tvix over time? That is when they start manufacturing in lots larger than 50. :)

Kaizen28
2007-12-05, 09:38
Hi All

I have the TViX 5000U which means no end-to-end HDMI and no support for H.264. This is why I'm testing the Popcornhour at the moment. It's actually destined for a relative as a gift and I want to ensure it's stable.

You all raise very valid points about both products and I'll try to address them. Keep in mind I'm streaming my content from an Infrant ReadyNAS across a wired network. Wirelss and HD content don't mix IMHO.

TViX
====
- I have had this for over a year and it has changed the way I watch TV.
- I absolutely love it.
- It's rock solid in its performance and delivers what it needs to.
- Yes, the interface could be so much better (Apple is always wins this) but the breadth of formats supported make it a clear winner to me.

Popcornhour
===========
- This has a better user interface than the TViX but that's not saying much.
- The feature list is staggering but I'm unlikely to use a fraction of them.
- The whole HD thing works perfectly (up to 1080P) but I've not pushed this very hard yet.
- Software still needs a few firmware releases to be completely stable.
- For now I'm very impressed with this streamer and given the $200 price mark I'm in no position to complain.

I'm in a position to give the TViX as a gift and keep the more feature-laden Popcornhour.....It pains me but I'm keeping the TViX.

tern
2008-07-26, 15:03
What is the latest situation with regard to video streaming? There must be some new and improved products out since the discussion above.

Hurry up and come out with something Slim Devices, the market is crying out for it!

Robin.

aubuti
2008-07-27, 06:51
What is the latest situation with regard to video streaming? There must be some new and improved products out since the discussion above.
Apple TV, or the Roku player for NetFlix

music_addict
2008-07-27, 07:53
Apple TV is a very very poor choice if you want to play the different video formats available. You can hack it but that shouldnt be the way to go...

queequeg99
2008-08-06, 10:38
I would add the SageTV HD Extender to the list. You need the SageTV server running on your PC but Sage offers a bundle for $250. The advantages I see over some of the other HD extenders I see is that you get full PVR functionality as well as a GUI that can be easily reskinned (I have read terrible things about the GUIs for some other extenders). I personally hate the default SageTV GUI but the SageMC skin (free download) is excellent.

I have an HD extender and it is perfect for viewing ripped dvds. PVR functionality is also excellent. I never use it to listen to music. I have a fundamental problem with having to have my television on in order to listen to music so no "video" extender will work for me in this regard until someone decides to make one that includes its own VFC display like the SB3.

PRGeno
2008-08-06, 15:19
The new DivX Connected devices have a great UI with customizable themes, plays more than the DivX video format, supports user community generated plugins (sound familiar?), and is now finally available in the USA.

I've had a pre-release version for about 6 months, and it is the closest thing to a video Squeezebox I've found yet (and I've tried plenty). It also supports viewing pictures, plays music (but I use my Squeezeboxes for that), and has some plugins for accessing Web content. It has a server component similar to SqueezeCenter, but requires a little heftier hardware platform if you're planning on streaming HD video, or on the fly trans-coding from other formats.

http://www.divx.com/connected/explore/

(I think the DivX Connected web site assumes you have the DivX web browser plug in installed to be able to see the videos of the UI in action. Might be worth the install.)


http://labs.divx.com/Connected

This is the community site with a forum, and downloads for the latest version of the server (not open source), plugins, and themes.


DLink has currently the only device available, but there is a promise of more to come.

http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Connected-Media-Player-DSM-330/dp/B000X4F7RO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1218060527&sr=8-1
http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=1&pid=653


The device works very well for my purposes, and has a very easy to navigate UI which the family loves.

tamanaco
2008-12-05, 12:00
Anyone in the community using a Neuros OSD/Link? I'd like to hear your comments about it.

Thanks...

http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Neuros_OSD
http://www.neurostechnology.com/

SoftPhill
2008-12-05, 14:58
Anyone tried the Eva 8000 of Netgear? From what I read it has good interfaces and plays videos and stuff just using smb/cifs indexing the library itself. That looks like a good solution if you already have a server box sitting somewhere remote.

I have 2 of these and was on the beta forum, they did tonnes on the firmware over the last year and it plays loads of formats. The updates dried up about 2 months ago because the EVA9000 is coming out. I have high hopes for this machine when it comes to market. I have attached a jpeg with the formats it states it can do. Basically, the shortfall of the 8000 is that the memory was too small and the processor too slow. This should improve that situation as it updates the tech.
Hope this helps

sgmlaw
2008-12-05, 19:57
The MediaMVP running GBPVR costs next to nothing (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116008&Tpk=mediamvp)(GBPVR is FREE) and can play standard resolution video over LAN with no problems whatsoever. With a decent tuner/capture card, you've got a solid PVR. The trick is having a strong server system.

I run ours through a modulator into our TV distribution system. With an RF remote kit (http://www.nextgenerationhomeproducts.com/), we have a private HDD-based video library that you access and watch on every TV in the house over Ch 123.

epoch1970
2008-12-07, 21:38
After a couple of months with it I can say I am extremely satisfied with my Squeezebox 3. Probably more so than with any other piece of electronics I have bought for a long time. It does what it does really well.

What is the best video equivalent to the squeezebox? I mean one that is not in beta version 0.9, one that is second or third gen and stable. I want one that streams most common video files (like divx) from network storage and does it really well.
AppleTV, but don't look for an equivalent of SqueezeCenter or its dev community. You'll need to cope with hacking and "unofficial" plugins if you want to avoid synching with iTunes, or keeping a computer with iTunes up. I wish Apple had created an SDK for ATV plugins but it has not happened.

Over the years, I've used pcs single and client/server, a dvico box and today I have 2 apple TVs. For ripped DVDs/720p it is matchless. Mine are rigged with an NFS automounter and a background WOL service. Don't try this on DVico-class hardware.
Generally speaking I'd say PC frontends are just too noisy and messy; unless you have extensive budget and outstanding hardware integration skills.

gorman
2008-12-08, 03:21
I'm using an XBMC enabled HTPC, which is what I would suggest if money was not a problem.
Otherwise, my friend's Popcorn Hour does a great job.

MikeekiM
2008-12-08, 11:10
The equivalent for me is the SlingBox...

I love it... I can stream the content from my 3 DVRs to any wired or wireless client in my local area network, and can also access the content from anywhere in the world (I love watching my local newscasts while on international travel)...

Not an apples-to-apples equivalent...I know...

agillis
2008-12-08, 15:08
Some of the new TVs coming out now are DLNA complaint. That means you can stream video or audio from your network without any additional boxes. This seems to be the best solution. No extra boxes to buy, extra power, or extra remotes. This is an example.

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN46A750R1FXZA

I have been working on making VortexBox DLNA complaint for use with xbox 360 or windows media center. I should work with a DLNA TV as well but I haven't tested it yet.

86atc250r
2008-12-08, 21:37
The MediaMVP running GBPVR costs next to nothing (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116008&Tpk=mediamvp)(GBPVR is FREE) and can play standard resolution video over LAN with no problems whatsoever. With a decent tuner/capture card, you've got a solid PVR. The trick is having a strong server system.

I run ours through a modulator into our TV distribution system. With an RF remote kit (http://www.nextgenerationhomeproducts.com/), we have a private HDD-based video library that you access and watch on every TV in the house over Ch 123.

I've been running GBPVR for 3 years now - excellent software & great WAF. The commercial skip abilities alone are worth the price of admission.

We have two MVP's running MVPMC for distribution to other TVs in the house (in fact, one of them is getting ready to be a client bridge off a SB2 to see how well that works).

The MVP does great with SD playback - it's got a hardware MPEG2 decoder. The menus with GBPVR are a touch laggy, but it's mostly related to the server PC because w/GBPVR the menus are actually an MPEG stream from the server. For whoever was saying formats were a problem, I believe GBPVR can transcode, but I've never done it, all my video is either recorded or live TV from my hardware encoder.

There's a pretty active community of GBPVR users with Popcorn Hour devices - may be worth checking out the forum if you're needing more than the MVP will do.

I've heard that MythTV is a bear to get & keep working, even for seasoned *nix guys - be aware of that if you decide to try that route.

epoch1970
2008-12-09, 04:04
Some of the new TVs coming out now are DLNA complaint.
Having a little fun here, Agillis will excuse me.

Personally I have a lot to complain over DNLA-compliant stuff.

(Well, I didn't try too hard. But let's say that over the 1 or 2 yrs this "standard" was out I tried connecting various software servers to software or hardware client to see how the transport protocol was working. I still don't know: I've never succeeded making a connection. Sometimes, discovery worked.)

I'd suggest using caution when DLNA compliance is advertised.

peter
2008-12-09, 04:47
86atc250r wrote:
> I've been running GBPVR for 3 years now - excellent software & great
> WAF. The commercial skip abilities alone are worth the price of
> admission.
>
> We have two MVP's running MVPMC for distribution to other TVs in the
> house (in fact, one of them is getting ready to be a client bridge off
> a SB2 to see how well that works).
>
> The MVP does great with SD playback - it's got a hardware MPEG2
> decoder. The menus with GBPVR are a touch laggy, but it's mostly
> related to the server PC because w/GBPVR the menus are actually an MPEG
> stream from the server. For whoever was saying formats were a problem,
> I believe GBPVR can transcode, but I've never done it, all my video is
> either recorded or live TV from my hardware encoder.
>
> There's a pretty active community of GBPVR users with Popcorn Hour
> devices - may be worth checking out the forum if you're needing more
> than the MVP will do.
>
> I've heard that MythTV is a bear to get & keep working, even for
> seasoned *nix guys - be aware of that if you decide to try that route.
>


It was quite a hassle when I last did it. That's why I'm still running
that original installation.

I also bought a Popcorn Hour (actually a HDX-1000) recently and that's
my favourite. It plays MythTV recordings, so I don't really need the
Myth frontend anymore. I hardly watch live TV anyway.

I keep thinking a HDX-1000 with a built in Squeeze-client (SoftSqueeze?)
would be a killer device. Plays al your video's and music from one small
box. Use the controller for the music. I would reduce my living room
setup to three devices. TV, active speakers and HDX-1000. As simple as
can be.

Regards,
Peter

ShutterShock
2008-12-09, 12:04
As it happens, I'm in the market for such a device (video equivalent to SB) at the moment. I'm planning to build a new media server which, as well as storing my music library and running slimserver, will contain my DVD collection and a bunch of other video material. This is of course only feasible now that 750GB+ discs are a reasonable price.

The impetus for doing this was that - having cleared my living room of CDs some time ago - I'm getting annoyed by having a pile of DVDs build up instead!

Candidate devices include:

Netgear EVA8000
Linksys KISS 1600 (also includes DVD player)
DViCO TViX M5100SH/M4100SH
Popcornhour Network Media Tank

Ceejay

I'm planning to get a Popcorn Hour A-110 early in the new year. CNET Review here: http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/accessories/0,39100115,49298605,00.htm

BiT
2008-12-10, 09:34
You want a TVIX, Popcorn or HDX...

Or run XBMC on a machine of your choice...

claypole
2008-12-20, 05:10
I use a PS3 with Twonkmedia (http://www.twonkyvision.de) as the DNLA server, I use Ubuntu as the server (an old 1.8Ghz Compaq Evo), which is also the Squeezecenter. Windows works well too. It supports most video formats (I haven't had a problem with any recently) and streams HD video very reliably over 802.11g WIFI!

I have been using this solution for over a year with no problems.

And of course the PS3 makes a great games box and blu-ray player.

This replaced my MVIX-760HD, which is a capable little box and is now used in the kids room to stream movies.

And slightly off topic, but then you can play Little Big Planet too, which is the most addictive game I have ever played :D

tamanaco
2008-12-24, 16:39
Just ordered a Vudu box for $150. $100 for the box and $50 worth of content ($50 credit). Does not require a local server and it's not an open-source solution, but I could not pass up the bargain. I needed something to play with during the holidays. Hopefully Vudu will still be around after the new year. The video specs looked impressive... anyone in the community using one of these? Care comment. Happy Holidays!

nicktf
2008-12-30, 13:26
I bought a Popcorn Hour A110 which I just point to my NAS - after a few months, it's played pretty much everything that I've thrown at it ISO, MKV, AVI and etc. I'm really impressed with it, though I only use a fraction of its functionality. Don't expect fancy menus, unless you use one of the jukebox skins (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/). The key selling point for me was that it wasn't another PC cluttering up a room and consuming unnecessary power. You can put a hard drive in it if you want, I haven't bothered. I would recommend you keep track of your ripped media with a sensible naming scheme that reflects resolution and fps, though. And don't use it for music playback, but why would you, with a Squeezebox :-)

Pale Blue Ego
2008-12-30, 14:57
This TVIX looks interesting:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/products/video/tvixM6500A.asp

fango
2009-01-04, 02:04
I bought a Popcorn Hour A110 which I just point to my NAS - after a few months, it's played pretty much everything that I've thrown at it ISO, MKV, AVI and etc. I'm really impressed with it, though I only use a fraction of its functionality. Don't expect fancy menus, unless you use one of the jukebox skins (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/). The key selling point for me was that it wasn't another PC cluttering up a room and consuming unnecessary power. You can put a hard drive in it if you want, I haven't bothered. I would recommend you keep track of your ripped media with a sensible naming scheme that reflects resolution and fps, though. And don't use it for music playback, but why would you, with a Squeezebox :-)

.. functionality of Popcorn Hour A110? .. hm, there's only "little" problem with functionality - wireless wont work thru walls, I guess that piece of hardware is out-of-date, cables arround my flat, on two-three places .. I dont think so .. people, do you have any (other) suggestion how to easy transfer PC files (divx,xvid,mp3,progdvb-sat.program,internet radio) without cables?

thanks!

agillis
2009-01-04, 19:29
After years of people asking for a simple way to play video content on their TV the consumer electronics industry is finally listening. The DLNA protocol is supposed to allow you play any content on any device over a network without any configuration.

There are a few TVs that came out last summer that support DLNA. This means you can simply click "play content" on your remote and your content on your PC or media server will show up. No external box for your TV required.

Not all devices support DLNA yet. If fact most don't for now you still need a media server like VortexBox that supports many different protocols.

Pale Blue Ego
2009-01-11, 10:34
This looks interesting, a $120 NON-NETWORKED media player that plays all kinds of files up to 1080p HD. I don't really like the idea of having a spinning hard drive in the media room, but this might be useful for a kind of sneaker-net using USB thumb drives. A 16GB drive could hold a whole season of divx shows or several full-length movies. It can also play captured HD transport streams from the HD tuner in my PC. This would save me a LOT of time and trouble because I currently have to encode the HD files to standard-def DVD format and burn them to DVD-R in order to watch them on the big HDTV in the media room. With this I could just move the raw files onto a thumb drive and play them on the WD in full resolution.

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-WD-Media-Player/dp/B001JZFQU4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231695212&sr=1-8

tern
2009-06-21, 13:51
Any updates on the 'Video Squeezebox' situation?

Popcorn Hour have a new version out in July:
http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=aboutus&type=news&id=20090617

Anything else out there?

Robin.

grum
2009-06-21, 15:11
Hi, long term SB user here. Like many others I love what it does for your lifestyle and wanted to do the same for video. After lots of research and watching the video streamer scene slowly develop, I recently bought the EGreat EG-M34A:
http://www.egreatworld.com/en/ProductShow.asp?ID=168

It's a Popcorn Hour look alike except cheaper and possibly better built. After a bit of fun getting it working with my existing kit (I run a Mac household, most in the PH scene are PC oriented) I'd have to say that for the price it's fantastic. Very basic user interface compared to SB, but because video tends to be "select one and watch for ages" rather than the extensive browsing, playlist building, etc that SB encourages, I don't need a fancy interface.

What it does excel at is streaming almost any video format over the network and playing it beautifully. It also allows streaming direct from youtube which is lots of fun.

Highly recommended.
grum

autopilot
2009-06-22, 12:01
This might be worth a look - http://redirectingat.com/?id=223X354&url=http%3A//www.xtreamer.net/

shake-the-disease
2009-06-22, 15:21
QNAP have just released a NMT: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=117

It's got some nice extra features like gigabit ethernet and BT downloader and the ability to be a NAS (not a huge surprise considering it's put out by a NAS company). Following QNAP tradition, I suspect it will be a very nice product that carries a decent price premium.

crooksy
2009-07-20, 10:44
I recently discovered a new Java app called PS3 Media Server http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/downloads/list . This software is fantastic I can throw anything at this software in any format and it'll recognize it and stream it to my PS3 including FLAC music files and even DVD ISO's. It runs perfectly on my media server with no problems, was easy to setup and it is FREE.

It is so good that I am considering just getting a Sony PSP to use as a controller for my music collection without needing to have the TV on all the time and would replace my long term plan on having a Squeeze Box Duet or Touch (once released).

The software can even stream to multiple PS3's within your network.

Ozz
2009-08-19, 19:21
They dropped the price of the PS3 to $299US and PMS (PS3mediaserver) is free. I find it works pretty good IF you rip your content in acceptable formats. PMS will transcode on the fly, you need to have a decent server to do a good job but now days that is not hard to come by. I use the same server to run SqueezeCenter and PMS and they seem to work fine together. If you are going to stream 1080P movies you need to run it wired at 1GB and not wireless. I have 40 movies ripped in .mkv files along with MPeg4 files. It works great and looks good. It also streams FLAC and transcodes it albeit not as well as my Transporter, but it does support DTS and other 5.1/6.1/7.1 audio streams.

It is early in the development phase but at this point I could not be happier for the cost.

stevecross
2009-08-20, 23:01
I use a popcornhour and it is one of the best items i have purchased,Great for movies. I have fitted a internal hardrive and it takes only around 15 watts and plays back nearly all video formats, so good i shall buy the new one when it comes out in a few weeks.Wireless is all well and good but it is not a perfect solution,in all the movies i have played back using a wired network i have never had a problem with stuttering and freezing etc. I guess if you want hasstle then go wireless to stream movies, because that is what you will get on high def streams in my opinion.

Sike
2009-08-21, 00:56
QNAP have just released a NMT: http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=117

It's got some nice extra features like gigabit ethernet and BT downloader and the ability to be a NAS (not a huge surprise considering it's put out by a NAS company). Following QNAP tradition, I suspect it will be a very nice product that carries a decent price premium.

Is it realy a NMT (Networked Media Tank) or is it a new product?

arztde
2009-08-21, 01:30
I use a popcornhour and it is one of the best items i have purchased,Great for movies.

I have also a Popcorn hour but its one of the worst solutions i have purchased in my live. Additional quality and prize is not in a good relation by this company. Maybee was ok some years ago. But the behaviour (also in Service) of the company let me keep in a big distance before to buy again a product of them. I do not see any important change in their new product they try to push on the market. The products go as beta (or alpha) on the market and it takes a lot of time consumption to read in the forums how to solve problems.
If you compare just usability with a Squeezebox than you know what i mean.
Ok maybee not the topic exact but the worse audio section was the reason to find the squeezebox at least. :-)
Reasonable is the HDI Dune Center.
I suggest to wait some time. Maybee Squueze start a slowly movie solution. Maybee with a partnership somehow.
Otherwise the market is full in move. If there is a waiting possability its good to wait, what happen in one year.

pski
2009-08-27, 14:23
I use the same PC that's running SC to play video (from one of the Buffalo TeraStation Pro's that also contain my music.)

The PC has an inexpensive ATI card (2600XT) with HDMI out.

CyberLink PowerDVD8 (not cheap) plays ISO's mounted with Virtual CloneDrive (free.) This software has library functions (that I don't use.)

Because the 2600XT won't use HW acceleration while driving two monitors, I have used ATI Catalyst Control to make two desktop icons that switch from the PC's "regular" monitor to the Samsung DLP TV.

Of course, you can use the DLP TV to browse and play. (I use Adesso wkb-4000us keyboard with touch-pad. It works up to 30 or so feet away from the CPU.)

P

MikeWynneDub
2009-08-29, 10:47
Anyone tried the Eva 8000 of Netgear? From what I read it has good interfaces and plays videos and stuff just using smb/cifs indexing the library itself. That looks like a good solution if you already have a server box sitting somewhere remote.

Yeah, I have one of these. I bought it specifically for video playback (.avi mostly in my case ;-))

It handles loads of video codecs and also audio and photos. I picked up a Euro version very cheaply (€140) at www.pixmania.com.

I'm very happy with it, it does what it's supposed to do and co-exists very happily with my (mainly) Linux setup...

adamslim
2009-08-30, 12:59
This might be worth a look - http://redirectingat.com/?id=223X354&url=http%3A//www.xtreamer.net/

Cool, just ordered one of those. I shall blame you if anything bad happens :)

ModelCitizen
2009-08-30, 23:43
Cool, just ordered one of those. I shall blame you if anything bad happens :)
http://redirectingat.com/?id=223X354&url=http%3A//www.xtreamer.net/

This looks very interesting and so very cheap. Currently I connect my laptop to my tv via the vdu and headphone socket. I also transfer movie files from my main machine to the laptop before viewing as I don't trust that a movie will stream smoothly over my wireless network. If this xstreamer works and I can connect it to my tv via the hdmi socket and movies (even blu-ray?) stream successfuly then it's a steal.

I'd very much appreciate it if you'd report back Adam. Also am I right to think that 5.1 sound is not supported?

Cheers, MC.

Archer_11
2009-08-31, 02:38
Second the call on PS3 with PS3 Media Server. If you've got a decent computer you can get anything you want up on the big screen - anything your PC supports inc. IPTV - for $300. Pretty reliable solution too, at least for me.

There are a million options and a lot of them are great. But the part I was worred about is that there is so much focus on this space now - and the rewards so huge for the company that nails it - that I reckon in four or five years there could be only 2 or 3 players that are head and shoulders above everyone else with options we haven't even heard about. So i think cost is important when buying something now.

The other key factor is reliability - I love tweaking stuff but I've decided that one thing I never, ever want to have to optimise or fix is a media unit that goes funny when sitting down to watch a movie.

iPhone
2009-08-31, 08:45
I'd very much appreciate it if you'd report back Adam. Also am I right to think that 5.1 sound is not supported?

Cheers, MC.

Hey MC. From the spec sheet it says it has digital optical (Toslink) which supports Stereo, 5.1 Dolby, and DTS. And of course it has HDMI which is going to cover a bunch more formats. So basically no analog 5.1 as it only has stereo RCAs.

From the Spec Sheet: "The HDMI has been configured to the 1.3a spec, allowing full support of HD Audio pass-through for DTS HD-HR, DTS HD-MA, Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD. The ports on the device have also been configured, with a USB port placed at the rear panel,next to the optical S/PDIF."

Lewis Moon
2009-08-31, 08:53
This thread is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. I just got a V3 and now really want the same type of control for video. I'm looking at the Popcorn Hour but would love to have the ability to record. Is there any type of work around for that?

JeffHart
2009-08-31, 13:30
I'm using a Samsung BD-P4600 Blu-Ray player that has built in DivX support. It's not quite ready for prime time - it has a habit of forgetting the server information. When I take the time to set it up it streams DVD quality over wireless fine, will need to go wired to stream HD; unfortunately my server and blu-ray player are on different circuits so homeplug doesn't work.

The UI is basically a folder browser, pretty low tech and not great for large collections. Hoping that future firmware releases will at least fix the server information retention if not provide a better UI.

I do like the approach of supporting streaming from a Blu-Ray player and would hazard a guess that this will be the way the market goes over the next few years, until the market goes streaming entirely and we stop buying and renting discs.

Cheers,
Jeff

Archer_11
2009-08-31, 20:24
This thread is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. I just got a V3 and now really want the same type of control for video. I'm looking at the Popcorn Hour but would love to have the ability to record. Is there any type of work around for that?

Popcorn Hour with record function would have been my exact purchase if it was available. Considering the great reviews it gets there's definitely an opportunity for them here imo.

FredFredrickson
2009-09-01, 07:19
I have to add to the discussion- network video players are only useful if they also play web content.

My favorite so far has been the xbox 360 media center, since you can play your own files, but also netflix. If you buy playon media server (for like $40ish), you can also stream hulu to your tv. Pretty sweet.

*I do not work for xbox or playon. I use playon daily, however.

Pale Blue Ego
2009-09-01, 08:52
I have to add to the discussion- network video players are only useful if they also play web content.

Yeah, because a 320 x 240 pixel web video looks so great on my HDTV.

JeffHart
2009-09-01, 19:20
Web content isn't limited to 320x240. Streaming Netflix HD content from the Samsung BD-P4600 to HDTV isn't so bad, even over DSL. Unfortunately it's limited to stereo - surround sound.

Cheers,
Jeff

micah
2009-09-01, 21:09
Since the small form factor (SFF) PC has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, I was wondering what all the other ~$150-$250 units have in terms of hardware.

Does anyone have an idea what the processor requirements would be for a linux based SFF MythTV solution? How much $$$ are we talking?

I'm sure the MythTV forums have countless threads on this topic and I have lots of reading to do if I decide to go this route. I'd like to be able to run SC and Squeezeplay, the MythTV frontend and backend, play AVCHD files & blu-ray movies and attach it directly to my TV/stereo. Would an atom processor (e.g. msi wind=$300) cut it?

FredFredrickson
2009-09-02, 08:08
Yeah, because a 320 x 240 pixel web video looks so great on my HDTV.

My My! You've missed a lot. The internet's changed a bit since 1999.

epoch1970
2009-09-02, 10:44
... blu-ray movies ... Would an atom processor (e.g. msi wind=$300) cut it?
No way.
Normally you'd look at the GPU power instead of the CPU. Since hardware acceleration is not always available under linux, you'll have to check carefully for the brand/type of graphics card to buy for a linux based mythtv box.
Then again hardware acceleration will work with some limitations in terms of formats (mpeg2, mpeg4) and bandwidth.

In case you want to decode about any format in high-def, you'll need to use software decoders in the CPU. I think a Core 2 is ok for anything 720p and a big quad is necessary for 1080p @ very high bitrates as found on a blu ray movie.
(A big quad won't do for a nice htpc, imho: power = heat = noise.)

lrossouw
2009-09-07, 19:20
Since the small form factor (SFF) PC has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, I was wondering what all the other ~$150-$250 units have in terms of hardware.

Does anyone have an idea what the processor requirements would be for a linux based SFF MythTV solution? How much $$$ are we talking?

I'm sure the MythTV forums have countless threads on this topic and I have lots of reading to do if I decide to go this route. I'd like to be able to run SC and Squeezeplay, the MythTV frontend and backend, play AVCHD files & blu-ray movies and attach it directly to my TV/stereo. Would an atom processor (e.g. msi wind=$300) cut it?

I've been looking at the ASRock Ion 330BD. Atom based, with blu-ray drive small pc. Thinking about getting this for the lounge. It gets good reviews on HD playback, has HDMI out (and optical audio). Handles 1080. The only setback is that it doesn't work 100% on flash based (i.e. youtube) HD content, because the flash players aren't (yet?) using GPU hardware.

EDIT: Oh and this seems to run HD content well on linux too although I think linux doesn't work well with playing off a blu-ray I understand. You could then get the non blu-ray version and rip your blu-rays using another pc?

EowynCarter
2009-09-08, 04:34
I have to add to the discussion- network video players are only useful if they also play web content.

My favorite so far has been the xbox 360 media center, since you can play your own files, but also netflix. If you buy playon media server (for like $40ish), you can also stream hulu to your tv. Pretty sweet.

*I do not work for xbox or playon. I use playon daily, however.

hulu and netflix are not availible where i live :(. Silly us only stuf.

xbmc also have a windows, linux, and mac version ;)

cooppw02
2009-09-08, 15:22
In case you want to decode about any format in high-def, you'll need to use software decoders in the CPU. I think a Core 2 is ok for anything 720p and a big quad is necessary for 1080p @ very high bitrates as found on a blu ray movie.
(A big quad won't do for a nice htpc, imho: power = heat = noise.)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't video playback single-threaded, making a big quad a little bit of overkill? Dollar for dollar, I think you're probably better off getting a dual core with a fast clock than a quad, especially when you also consider power consumption.

I built a MythTV box about a year ago with a e8400 (3GHz C2D) and it's more than fast enough to handle all of the high-bitrate, hi-res video that I've thrown at it.

nolan
2009-09-08, 16:02
I have 2 of these and was on the beta forum, they did tonnes on the firmware over the last year and it plays loads of formats. The updates dried up about 2 months ago because the EVA9000 is coming out. I have high hopes for this machine when it comes to market. I have attached a jpeg with the formats it states it can do. Basically, the shortfall of the 8000 is that the memory was too small and the processor too slow. This should improve that situation as it updates the tech.
Hope this helps

I have one of these and I use it for pretty much all of my recorded media now. Mainly 720p video but some 1080p as well. I'm not sure I'd have paid the full price when new but at the price I bought mine for (GB £150 from play.com) I think it's pretty good value.

The interface isn't perfect but it's quite useable and it will play most things that are thrown at it.

Mine is cabled as I had problem running 1080p wireless.

The main issue is that it can't downmix DTS to stereo (codec licencing issues I believe) like it can with AC3 so depending on the file you are playing you may need to convert the audio. There are utils to do this so it's no big deal.

A good solution if you already have a server for your Squeezecenter (or a ReadyNAS or similar)

adamslim
2009-09-09, 23:06
http://redirectingat.com/?id=223X354&url=http%3A//www.xtreamer.net/

This looks very interesting and so very cheap. Currently I connect my laptop to my tv via the vdu and headphone socket. I also transfer movie files from my main machine to the laptop before viewing as I don't trust that a movie will stream smoothly over my wireless network. If this xstreamer works and I can connect it to my tv via the hdmi socket and movies (even blu-ray?) stream successfuly then it's a steal.

I'd very much appreciate it if you'd report back Adam. Also am I right to think that 5.1 sound is not supported?

Cheers, MC.

Hi there Simon (and all)

This arrived yesterday. The purchase process was easy; they sent an email saying they would despatch on the 15th, but then I got a tracking email saying it had been sent, and it arrived yesterday. It came from Germany, so no problems with customs.

I currently comes with a free wifi antenna; this is just stuffed into the outer box. The general feel of the product is really good - it's solid and seems well built.

Setup is dead easy - plug into TV, reasonable on-screen system that is easy to navigate, tell it my wifi settings and it was running in seconds. Go onto network and it browses my windows network and happily plays the video files therefrom.

Considering that my alternative is to have a 10m VGA cable from the computer and use Windows' multiple monitor settings, and take a split from the audio out again with a 10m cable - or get a little PC, this is a much nicer solution and a real keeper for me. It does exactly what I wanted.

Downsides:
No HDMI cable; currently using composite and the menus are blurry a bit. Will report back when I have the HDMA cable
Wifi is fine for SD stuff but HD is jerky. So I will have a cable from the computer to the TV after all! My wifi is G and not the greatest; the Xtreamer is N, so if you have N then you may be able to stream HD, unsure.

I'll check if these are overcome with the extra cables I need.

Quality seems fine, but again I'll report more when I've tried more files.

BTW it appears to pass through 5.1, so if you're HDMI to the AV amp you should be fine. Not tried as I'm not 5.1.

I think this is a great bargain and I'm really happy. Seems to do what it says it does.

SlimChances
2009-09-26, 16:20
Not sure how this would work as an HTPC and PVR but this looks interesting.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=41924&vpn=PT.SCA0X.073&manufacture=Acer
Fits behind an flat screen TV with wall mounting bracket
Wireless mouse and keyboard
wifi
Win 7 upgrade available
etc

davidh
2009-09-27, 10:16
I would add the SageTV HD Extender to the list. You need the SageTV server running on your PC but Sage offers a bundle for $250....
The newest extender (hd200?) can run standalone and pull video from anywhere.

RichardEvans
2009-11-05, 19:37
For software I use MythTV as well as mplayer and vlc. To control the
MythTV/mplayer/vlc software I use my own slimserver lirc plugin. That
way any squeezebox remotes keypresses are sent to the MythTV/mplayer
application (whenever the SqueezeBox itself is in standby). Since I have
a SqueezeBox near every TV, that completes the puzzle.


This seems like a good thread to ask about MythTV, rather than starting a brand new thread.

I've started looking into the idea of using MythTV, to set up a PVR, and I'm wondering whether I could run the back end on my music server (to avoid running an extra server).

I'm currently running VortexBox, on a Tranquil PC, with a 1.6 Ghz Dual Core Intel Atom processor, 1Gb RAM & 1Tb Hard drive. I'd obviously have to use USB tuner modules, but I can't see that being a major problem.

The question would be how to get VortexBox and MythTV running on the same machine. As far as I understand VortexBox runs on top of Fedora (version 11), and MythTV can also run on Fedora. So would it be possible to simply add the mythTV application to Fedora, so that it runs alongside Vortexbox.

Hopefully somebody here may have some idea about whether this is possible and how to go about it.

Thanks for any help.

Richard.

bossanova808
2009-11-06, 03:45
The ASRock Ion 330 + XBMC Live is the squeezebox for video. It's not far being the squeezebox for audio for that matter.

Totally awesome and if anything easier to set up than a SB.

It rocks, plays damn near anything, and is very very very pretty.

cooppw02
2009-11-06, 07:49
This seems like a good thread to ask about MythTV, rather than starting a brand new thread.

I've started looking into the idea of using MythTV, to set up a PVR, and I'm wondering whether I could run the back end on my music server (to avoid running an extra server).

I'm currently running VortexBox, on a Tranquil PC, with a 1.6 Ghz Dual Core Intel Atom processor, 1Gb RAM & 1Tb Hard drive. I'd obviously have to use USB tuner modules, but I can't see that being a major problem.

The question would be how to get VortexBox and MythTV running on the same machine. As far as I understand VortexBox runs on top of Fedora (version 11), and MythTV can also run on Fedora. So would it be possible to simply add the mythTV application to Fedora, so that it runs alongside Vortexbox.

Hopefully somebody here may have some idea about whether this is possible and how to go about it.

Thanks for any help.

Richard.

I haven't used it, but Vortexbox seems like a decent way to turn a PC into something of a music-serving appliance without much Linux knowledge or tweaking required.

MythTV isn't really in the same category. I've got it installed on a beefy 3Ghz Core 2 Duo, and my installation has required a lot of tweaks and Linux knowledge.

Since MythTV is much harder to get installed and properly configured than Squeezeboxserver, I'd recommend using a MythTV-oriented distro like Mythbuntu instead of Vortexbox.

As for tuners, in addition to USB models, I'd look into the HDHomeRun, which is an HDTV tuner that sits on your network. It's got 2 tuners built-in and works well with Linux. The only difficulty is that the network utilization is really high, so you'd probably need to have both it and your backend using wired ethernet, and preferably the frontend too. A good 802.11n connection might suffice for the frontend, but a g connection would create too much network congestion if you're doing HD. Especially since the Atom probably isn't that great for transcoding.

RichardEvans
2009-11-06, 17:42
MythTV isn't really in the same category. I've got it installed on a beefy 3Ghz Core 2 Duo, and my installation has required a lot of tweaks and Linux knowledge.

Since MythTV is much harder to get installed and properly configured than Squeezeboxserver, I'd recommend using a MythTV-oriented distro like Mythbuntu instead of Vortexbox.


Thanks cooppw.

Looks like it is all a bit more complicated than I'd hoped, and I need to do a bit more research/thinking. If I do go ahead with it I think I'll have to get a new machine to run it on, as I want to keep using Vortexbox on my music server.

As far as processing power, I was under the impression that about 1Ghz should be find for standard definition TV, I'm assuming that the extra processing power you are using is for HDTV. I don't yet have any HDTV televisions, and doubt I will get any, at least until HDTV becomes available on Freeview. That will be 2012 here in London. So I think for now I'd be looking at only SDTV, and if I want HDTV in a few years, well hardware will be cheaper by then.

I would like to try and keep it fanless, so I would hope to use something similar to my Tranquil PC, so I hope that a 1.6 Ghz processor would be fine for SDTV. I will have a look at those networked tuners, it may well be a better option than USB tuners. Everything will be using cabled networking, as my wireless is not reliable enough, due to interference from neighbours wireless networks. (It sometimes even struggles with FLAC). These days I only use wireless for my Laptop.

Well I think I have plenty to investigate and think about over the next few weeks. Thanks for you help.

Oh and does anybody have any experience of what sort of processing power required for SDTV.

Oh and another idea, does anybody know if there is a plugin to used BBC Iplayer with MythTV, and how much processing power that requires.

Richard.

MelonMonkey
2009-11-09, 12:30
With Myth you are either running the server in place of a client or you're running another PC as a client. Both solutions require a PC capable of decoding the streams you're sending to it. A decent spec CPU for HD unless you have a chipset or discrete GPU capable of offloading the decode or assist. NVIDIA's ION platform has a lot of promise, but it's (currently) over-priced and all solutions with it in a small form factor are currently extremely costly, completely obliterating the promise it has as a viable extender platform earlier this year (it was easy to predict).

The most cost effective and highest performance will come from dedicated silicon with built-in decoders such as those from Sigma Designs. These Systems on a Chip can do pretty much everything you need for your TV-based video playback.

SageTV and Sage's HD Theater (HD200) have been mentioned earlier in the thread. They're currently not only the best solution for video streaming, they're the only solution with an integrated PVR server. This is the direction MythTV has supposedly been moving in, but there's currently no stand-alone SoC (absolutely quiet) extenders for Myth.

cooppw02
2009-11-09, 14:57
With Myth you are either running the server in place of a client or you're running another PC as a client. Both solutions require a PC capable of decoding the streams you're sending to it.

A lot of the capture cards do MPEG encoding, so the backend just has to be capable of dumping the stream to disk, doing commercial flagging, and running the database. Just about any PC with a lot of storage would work.


NVIDIA's ION platform has a lot of promise, but it's (currently) over-priced and all solutions with it in a small form factor are currently extremely costly, completely obliterating the promise it has as a viable extender platform earlier this year (it was easy to predict).

Newegg has a fanless ION mobo/Atom CPU combo for less than $120. You could put together a near-silent (or possibly even totally silent) front-end for well under $500.

MelonMonkey
2009-11-09, 17:01
A lot of the capture cards do MPEG encoding, so the backend just has to be capable of dumping the stream to disk, doing commercial flagging, and running the database. Just about any PC with a lot of storage would work.

I was talking about the front end, that's why I said "decode" - analog capture cards or tuner sticks that don't have built-in MPEG2 or H.264 encoders should not be considered by anyone at any price for any reason. For digital there's no encoding necessary as the cards are just recording what they're receiving (clear-QAM, ATSC, DVB, etc..)



Newegg has a fanless ION mobo/Atom CPU combo for less than $120. You could put together a near-silent (or possibly even totally silent) front-end for well under $500.

$500 is a ton of cash to spend on a front end, especially when you may want 3 or 4 of them. The ION platform was promising this for under $200 and that's what all the Myth fans were raving about. Solutions using a SoC offer sub $200 completely fanless ability today.

The "free" solutions (Myth) actually cost more than the commercial in many setups.

lrossouw
2009-11-10, 19:52
The ASRock Ion 330 + XBMC Live is the squeezebox for video. It's not far being the squeezebox for audio for that matter.

Totally awesome and if anything easier to set up than a SB.

It rocks, plays damn near anything, and is very very very pretty.

Ordering mine soon!

bossanova808
2009-11-11, 01:24
Ordering mine soon!

Follow this guide, it's all you need and everything works perfectly out of the box http://a8t8.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2518DD508BB713E8!804.entry

david_f1976
2009-11-11, 04:43
I was talking about the front end, that's why I said "decode" - analog capture cards or tuner sticks that don't have built-in MPEG2 or H.264 encoders should not be considered by anyone at any price for any reason. For digital there's no encoding necessary as the cards are just recording what they're receiving (clear-QAM, ATSC, DVB, etc..)



$500 is a ton of cash to spend on a front end, especially when you may want 3 or 4 of them. The ION platform was promising this for under $200 and that's what all the Myth fans were raving about. Solutions using a SoC offer sub $200 completely fanless ability today.

The "free" solutions (Myth) actually cost more than the commercial in many setups.

As long as your not fussed about live TV, it is possible to integrate your MythTV backend server with the Sigma chip layers acting as frontends via the likes of Samba, NFS and UPNP. You get the best of both worlds then: the flexibility of MythTV, with cheap, low power and reliable frontends.

The Hauppauge MVP is another option for a very cheap frontend for SDTV, but a bit more challenging to set up and more limiting with video formats.

autopilot
2009-11-12, 03:04
Does anyone know which, if any, video streamers do Wake-On-LAN and support DVD .iso menus?

pjzzz
2009-11-13, 08:02
Does anyone know which, if any, video streamers do Wake-On-LAN and support DVD .iso menus?

Xtreamer does support DVD iso menu and will play BR iso as well but no WOL yet but according to Xtreamer R&D it will. They will also try to get Squeezecenter running on the Xtreamer and/or etrayz NAS.

sheppy124
2009-11-14, 01:29
Xtreamer does support DVD iso menu and will play BR iso as well but no WOL yet but according to Xtreamer R&D it will. They will also try to get Squeezecenter running on the Xtreamer and/or etrayz NAS.

God, I hate coming on these forums, this is going to be an expensive year of gadgets in my household if they do this, as I quite fancy the xtreamer.

Wirrunna
2009-11-14, 02:03
Here's another "how to build" using the Asrock Ion330 and XBMC
http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/2810841

autopilot
2009-11-14, 08:09
Rather than a fully featured streamer, is there any product on the market that would act as a basic Wifi video/audio sender to my TV's HDMI port, which would display whatever was on my laptop screen (with audio)? Kind of like using my TV as a secondary monitor for my laptop?

signor_rossi
2009-11-14, 16:56
I have seen that Blue Ray players are going to become networked media players too, does anyone already have first hand experience with models like the Samsung BD-P3600 and playback of computer media files (mkv, h264, xvid)?

lrossouw
2009-11-17, 04:25
Here's another "how to build" using the Asrock Ion330 and XBMC
http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/2810841

Does XMBC do BluRay playback (i.e. off the disc directly)?

Cheers
Louis

signor_rossi
2009-11-18, 05:08
Does XMBC do BluRay playback (i.e. off the disc directly)?

Cheers
Louis

No. It does play Blue Rays ripped to the hard drive, though.

Btw, the (streaming) media player capabilities of Blue Ray players like the BD-P3600 or the LG-390 seem still to fall far behind the capabilities of dedicated devices like the Xtreamer, O!Play or WD TV Live.

signorRossi.

exile
2009-11-18, 08:31
Fo those contemplating what to buy...I would steer anyone and everyone away from any bluray player. Bluray is already a dying medium that will very quickly go the way of the regular dvd.

signor_rossi
2009-11-18, 08:44
Fo those contemplating what to buy...I would steer anyone and everyone away from any bluray player. Bluray is already a dying medium that will very quickly go the way of the regular dvd.

What will be the next media then?
Will we get super fast and cheap downloads from satellite within 1 year? I don't see any other way I could get enough bandwidth for HD video streaming for the location I live... ;)

gorman
2009-11-18, 09:16
Fo those contemplating what to buy...I would steer anyone and everyone away from any bluray player. Bluray is already a dying medium that will very quickly go the way of the regular dvd.Don't see it happening that quickly on a worldwide scale, honestly.

And to those asking, XBMC is capable of playing .m2ts files off a Bluray drive if you have AnyDVD HD installed.

exile
2009-11-18, 09:24
on a worldwide scale, yes, it'll take awhile to get rid of discs.

I would much rather spend money on a fast pc that can be used as a media server and also as a fully functional computer than on a device that does very little other than spin a disc.

lrossouw
2009-11-18, 20:05
No. It does play Blue Rays ripped to the hard drive, though.


XBMC looked good to be used with the ASRock with the Blu Ray drive. Will have to put Windows instead as Windows seems to be the best for playing directly off the disc. I'm not really in the mood for ripping movies which I watch only once or twice.

dave77
2009-11-19, 03:01
Fo those contemplating what to buy...I would steer anyone and everyone away from any bluray player. Bluray is already a dying medium that will very quickly go the way of the regular dvd.

Where has the regular DVD gone? I can't comment about the US but over here DVD's are still going strong!

signor_rossi
2010-01-08, 13:52
Stumbled upon an interesting device that D-link will bring to market this year, the Boxee Box, rumors say for less than 200$. It is based on the Nvidia Tegra2 platform and will do 1080p and Flash. The interesting thing is that it should be able to run a full browser (I really hope it will) and that the UI should be much, much better than what other NMT offer atm. Expandability should also be very good.
http://www.boxee.tv/box

CES Handson:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10429585-269.html?tag=mncol

exile
2010-01-08, 14:04
I currently use Boxee on a mac mini and it's quite a brilliant interface so the dedicated box should be quite slick as well.

apn
2010-01-11, 19:17
I picked up a WDTV-live from Amazon ($119) back in November.

It's the 2nd generation device (1st had no networking). It's on wired ethernet and I had some challenges getting it to see XP shares. It seems a lot better w/ WHS, and plays everything I can throw at it; Audio, Video, Photo formats. Amazing 1080p picture quality via HMDI, but it won't be replacing my SB's though ;)

My father in law just got the Asus O!Play, so I'll be checking that out, but I wasn't overly impressed with a friends' Patriot Box Office.

Boxee looks interesting if one can muster up the courage to buy D-Link hardware.

jbraveman
2010-01-11, 19:45
If it works I'd get this:

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10426722-269.html

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20100106/popbox.jpg

trotsky10
2010-01-12, 10:34
I've got an egreat which is a network media tank (from the syabas family)

Others are the Popcorn hour C-200, the BD-Prime etc

You can add plugins etc much like you can with the squeezebox. I use one of the movie jukebox menu systems with it to give very nice cover art menus with info from the internet on movies.

These all are well reviewed in a site a use mpcclub.com

arztde
2010-01-12, 17:12
For the moment i do not care much for any Syabas products or that mpcclub does have some private dissonations with the xtreamer company (Xtreamer was in 2009 editors choice and in 2010 he decide no more to give any review or something related to the Xtreamer). But the Squeezeboxserver is running on the Xtreamer NAS eTRAYz was done with help of Flip and he gave this project the name SSOEZ.

And we have some success to get squeezeslave running directly on the Xtreamer. For the moment it works and its testet with a USB Soundcard. Not all codecs are working. For example ORG is not working. But FLAC and MP3 we got to work on this 99.-$ Unit.
Will see what brings the future. :-)

We decide not to use the make a loop for pass through the HDMI or optical output for the moment until we get it better to run. If someone have Audio Developement skills and like to help can give me a PM...

arztde
2010-01-12, 17:30
If it works I'd get this:

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10426722-269.html



Hmm its a demo and also its known now it have some DRM restrictions inside, will work only for the US market and needs a monthly service for 9.- $ each month to work. This they hide a litle bit this all. Anyways i think this is more a good advertisement threat for any Multimediaplayer what gomes to the market

jcowling
2010-01-18, 16:20
Nice little boxes for playing video.
ROKU is primarily for Netflix or Amazon steaming. Very easy to set up and use.
WD TV Live is great for playing content off of a USB hard drive or your network. Supports most audio and video formats. Has HDMI, ethernet, optical audio, component and composite connections. Also works fairly well for Netflix or Hulu if you use Playon on a PC on the network.


John Cowling
Duets, Boom, Speakercraft BB2125, Arcam A65, Rotel RCD-855, Usher S-520s; Thorens TD 166 MKII, Linkwitz Plutos; Onkyo AV Receiver, Sanyo Projector, DA-Lite Cinema Contour screen, and Paradigms speakers for HT.

jimbo45
2010-01-20, 09:27
Hi all

try the Slingbox.
http://www.slingbox.com/

cheers
jimbo

lrossouw
2010-01-20, 18:42
Boxee looks interesting if one can muster up the courage to buy D-Link hardware.

Just got an ASRock ION 330 which comes with blu ray drive, remote and Win 7 (Home Premium which includes media centre). Working quite well. Running it with audio over spdif out as my HT receiver is not HDMI capable and it works very well. TV is connected via HDMI. Audio over HDMI also works (tested on tv).

Downloaded Boxee and XMBC to compare with MC. Think I'll probably end up using Boxee most often as it seems most intuitive and also links up with internet services etc. However it is beta. Seems to crash a bit. Think it doesn't like some of my older files. It does play flac music though. But the interface is not great.


Haven't tried the blu ray yet as I have not discs yet.

Blisteringblue
2010-01-22, 07:50
Personally I use my Playstation 3 for all my video streaming. It plays most formats natively and for those it doesn't (mainly MKV) I use Playstation Media Server (http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/) running on my PC to transcode on the fly.

My PC is on all the time (well it powers down with WOL) for Squeezecenter (SBS) so I find they all compliment each other.

tern
2010-07-06, 23:21
Any new products for Video streaming to my television?

Robin.

exile
2010-07-07, 09:51
boxee expects to have its video streaming box (in partnership with d-link) ready for the market at the end of this year. Boxee is a fantastic software program that's already available in beta form for free and I think their box will be a good choice in the soon to be very crowded video streaming box marketplace.

bdcook01
2010-07-07, 13:03
Any word on whether the revue will enable video streaming as well?

toby10
2010-07-07, 14:07
Any word on whether the revue will enable video streaming as well?

Ummm....that's what the Revue is, a video streaming device. ;)

bdcook01
2010-07-07, 15:24
Ummm....that's what the Revue is, a video streaming device. ;)
Not yet, at least. I looked into this after posting and the consensus seems to be that someone will likely write an app to stream from ur hard drive. If u have another source i am definitely interested in reading. Im excited about this after reading that it'll integrate harmony and squeezebox tech and hopefully a killer hard drive streaming app that supports all codecs.

sander
2010-07-07, 16:16
Not yet, at least. I looked into this after posting and the consensus seems to be that someone will likely write an app to stream from ur hard drive. If u have another source i am definitely interested in reading. Im excited about this after reading that it'll integrate harmony and squeezebox tech and hopefully a killer hard drive streaming app that supports all codecs.

Has there been any promise it will integrate Squeezebox tech? I thought only harmony had been confirmed so far.

To me the major question for any video device at this point is where you will be getting your videos. There seem to be two flavors Roku type subscription boxes and video playback boxes for people who have acquired videos by other means. That looks to be the fork in the road to me.

bdcook01
2010-07-07, 19:19
I think this statement confirms squeeze tech:

Logitech Revue does everything we’re known for and more. So it couldn’t just be the Harmony Box or Squeezebox TV or, even worse, the Logitech TV Hub (although believe me, we’ve discussed them all). http://blog.logitech.com/2010/06/16/logitech-revue-with-google-tv/

toby10
2010-07-08, 02:03
Not yet, at least. I looked into this after posting and the consensus seems to be that someone will likely write an app to stream from ur hard drive. If u have another source i am definitely interested in reading. Im excited about this after reading that it'll integrate harmony and squeezebox tech and hopefully a killer hard drive streaming app that supports all codecs.

OIC. That I don't know. You asked if the Revue would enable video streaming which is the whole point of the Revue.
It streams video from the internet, you are asking if it can stream from your computer.
My bad, I did not understand your question. :)

tedfroop
2010-07-08, 06:02
Does anyone know which, if any, video streamers do Wake-On-LAN and support DVD .iso menus?
WD Live boxes will play iso's as will the Asus O!Play. Both are kind of inexpensive and work quite well for streaming video. The box boots in a few seconds and navigation is fairly simple. I don't think either supports WOL though.

I have all my video ripped to iso or mpg and stored on a NAS. The only thing that bothers me is that the O!Play lacks a Menu button for going to the menu of the ISO. It won't be long though until someone fixes that - the box runs linux and thus the firmware is subject to public licence. Alternate firmware is already showing up

bdcook01
2010-07-08, 09:10
OIC. That I don't know. You asked if the Revue would enable video streaming which is the whole point of the Revue.
It streams video from the internet, you are asking if it can stream from your computer.
My bad, I did not understand your question. :)

No worries. My question wasnt clear
At all.

tern
2010-10-19, 19:27
I'm still looking for something as good and easy as a 'Video Squeezebox'.

Robin.

adamslim
2010-10-20, 11:13
I'm still looking for something as good and easy as a 'Video Squeezebox'.

Really? Looking back on this very thread, I see that I've been using my Xtreamer for a year. It gets used every day, and is very popular in my household! It's totally changed our TV watching habits, and is about as close as you can get (the way I use it) to a video Squeezebox. Quite a lot cheaper than SBs too...

MillmoorRon
2010-10-20, 12:45
Yeah, despite some iffy early feedback on the forums my Xtreamer is pretty good. Not found anything it won't play yet. Picture quality is excellent on a HD TV.