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earthbased
2007-11-25, 08:12
What's with the proprietary license agreement on the download page? Is SS no longer open source?

ceejay
2007-11-25, 08:13
Slimserver is still open source, but the firmware in the box isn't (never has been AFAIK)

Ceejay

funkstar
2007-11-25, 09:19
What's with the proprietary license agreement on the download page? Is SS no longer open source?
This has been covered before if i remember right.

It's the lawers justifying their retainer fees :)

Don't worry, SlimServer (now SqueezeCenter) is still open source. The new Jive platform is also completely open source. In fact, as the current Beta Jive hardware is based round a linus kernel, the whole platform is open source.

As Ceejay said, the only part that remains closed in the SqueezeBox and transporter firmwares. Although even if they were open source, i believe the SDK from Ubicom is something in the region of $10,000 :)

erland
2007-11-25, 11:00
The new Jive platform is also completely open source. In fact, as the current Beta Jive hardware is based round a linus kernel, the whole platform is open source.

Well, actually I don't think this is completely true. The Jive software is not open source as open source is normally defined. I believe the source is public and you can modify it for your own use, but you can't redistribute the original or modified code without permission from Logitech.

Previous Thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=199100#post199100

The Jive license:
http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/trunk/jive/src/pkg/jive/LICENSE

funkstar
2007-11-25, 22:55
Well, actually I don't think this is completely true. The Jive software is not open source as open source is normally defined. I believe the source is public and you can modify it for your own use, but you can't redistribute the original or modified code without permission from Logitech.

Previous Thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=199100#post199100

The Jive license:
http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/jive/trunk/jive/src/pkg/jive/LICENSE
OK, my mistake. These things always get me confused :)

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-26, 07:03
OK, my mistake. These things always get me confused :)

Whatever you do, don't get drawn into a free vs. free beer argument. Still can't figure that one out.

funkstar
2007-11-26, 12:53
free beer
Free beer? where?

No-one offered me free beer.

/me sulks

snarlydwarf
2007-11-26, 12:55
Whatever you do, don't get drawn into a free vs. free beer argument. Still can't figure that one out.

If you are less than 21, going to a party with "Free Beer" means that you don't have to pay cash for the beer, but you are still not allowed (ie, not "free") to drink it without legal ramifications. It is possible to drink, but you may also go to jail. Risk assessment is up to the drinker.

If you are over 21, going to a bar means the beer is not Free, but you are allowed (ie, free) to drink it. You may even go to a hosted bar at a party where drinks are free -and- you are free to drink them. There are still legal issues (ie, no drinking and driving), but they are more like "don't be a moron" rules instead of restricting real rights. Where the "don't be a moron" line falls is pretty much where the BSD vs GPL vs whatever license debate comes in.

I need a drink.

2007-11-26, 15:04
---- snarlydwarf <snarlydwarf.30o8m01196107202 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Mark Lanctot;245333 Wrote:
> > Whatever you do, don't get drawn into a free vs. free beer argument.
> > Still can't figure that one out.
>
> If you are less than 21, going to a party with "Free Beer" means that
> you don't have to pay cash for the beer, but you are still not allowed
> (ie, not "free") to drink it without legal ramifications. It is
> possible to drink, but you may also go to jail. Risk assessment is up
> to the drinker.
>
> If you are over 21, going to a bar means the beer is not Free, but you
> are allowed (ie, free) to drink it. You may even go to a hosted bar at
> a party where drinks are free -and- you are free to drink them. There
> are still legal issues (ie, no drinking and driving), but they are more
> like "don't be a moron" rules instead of restricting real rights. Where
> the "don't be a moron" line falls is pretty much where the BSD vs GPL vs
> whatever license debate comes in.
>
> I need a drink.

Have a free beer. :-)

Kevin