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sd2100
2007-11-16, 15:50
Does sb3 has a future?
I'm not sure.I think the problem with the sb3 is, that it doesn't know what it is! Is it a geek device or a life-stile product. The problem (as far as I see it) has become more obvious when logitech decided to ditch the white and silver versions (which by the way looked like a million).

Sb3 has the looks and feel of a realy nice life-stile product. So why isn't it sold in a large variety of colours? Is Logitech afraid that the will loose the geek community (many colours means it isn't "serious" enough)? A record player company like Project (http://www.project-audio.com/) can sell their entry level turntable Debut III in 8 different colours. It doesn't cost the world but would win a lot of female customers.
Sb3 will loose the battle against Sonos (and Roku/Noxon) if Logitech doesn't act up.

The Transporter does not have the same problem. It is a high end/hifi product and is sold in the to classic colours silver and black.

But what about distribution? Will it find it's customer? Sonos is sold through a specialist Hifi chain! The Transporter is sold (in Denmark) primarely through small internet based stores or IT-hardvare stores. Why isn't it sold next to a Rotel, Densen or Primare amp? Or even better next to an active ATC, Meridian etc. speaker?
Maybe there is something rotten in Denmark :-)?

utowana
2007-11-16, 18:33
Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away from my router - after a 2 minute set up, including insertion of my WEP key. It suits my life style just fine - sounds very sweet. (BTW: I have Aego M's controlled by my second SB in my kitchen and love them also. They suit my life style also! I used the forum to help me decide to give them a try...and then could not resist the equally positive reviews of the 5's.)

My wife looked at the first SB...a kludgey black and silver model, gave a puzzled look, listened to the sound, and was off and running creating play lists using SlimServer, loading up Squeezenetwork, and syncing between players. She doesn't care what color it is. She is listening to the music.

pfarrell
2007-11-16, 19:21
utowana wrote:
> She doesn't care what color it is. She is listening
> to the music.

its all about the music. The hardware is just to deliver music to our ears.

peter
2007-11-16, 23:25
sd2100 wrote:
> Does sb3 has a future?
> I'm not sure.I think the problem with the sb3 is, that it doesn't know
> what it is! Is it a geek device or a life-stile product. The problem
> (as far as I see it) has become more obvious when logitech decided to
> ditch the white and silver versions (which by the way looked like a
> million).
>
> Sb3 has the looks and feel of a realy nice life-stile product. So why
> isn't it sold in a large variety of colours? Is Logitech afraid that
> the will loose the geek community (many colours means it isn't
> "serious" enough)? A record player company like Project
> (http://www.project-audio.com/) can sell their entry level turntable
> Debut III in 8 different colours. It doesn't cost the world but would
> win a lot of female customers.
> Sb3 will loose the battle against Sonos (and Roku/Noxon) if Logitech
> doesn't act up.
>
> The Transporter does not have the same problem. It is a high end/hifi
> product and is sold in the to classic colours silver and black.
>

I'd like an invisible one.

regards,
Peter

peejay
2007-11-16, 23:43
Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away from my router - after a 2 minute set up, including insertion of my WEP key. It suits my life style just fine - sounds very sweet. (BTW: I have Aego M's controlled by my second SB in my kitchen and love them also. They suit my life style also! I used the forum to help me decide to give them a try...and then could not resist the equally positive reviews of the 5's.)

My wife looked at the first SB...a kludgey black and silver model, gave a puzzled look, listened to the sound, and was off and running creating play lists using SlimServer, loading up Squeezenetwork, and syncing between players. She doesn't care what color it is. She is listening to the music.

Your wife doesn't care what colour (note the colonial spelling) it is? Hats off to you my friend, you have a gem of a wife there.....And by the way I thought the black and silver model was their best styling effort...just my opinion.

peter
2007-11-16, 23:59
peejay wrote:
> utowana;243307 Wrote:
>
>> Ugh...Not even sure why I'm bothering to chime in, but I guess timing is
>> everything. I just took delivery of my third SB3 and paired it with
>> Audioengine 5's in my bedroom. Connected wirelessly two floors away
>> from my router - after a 2 minute set up, including insertion of my WEP
>> key. It suits my life style just fine - sounds very sweet. (BTW: I
>> have Aego M's controlled by my second SB in my kitchen and love them
>> also. They suit my life style also! I used the forum to help me
>> decide to give them a try...and then could not resist the equally
>> positive reviews of the 5's.)
>>
>> My wife looked at the first SB...a kludgey black and silver model, gave
>> a puzzled look, listened to the sound, and was off and running creating
>> play lists using SlimServer, loading up Squeezenetwork, and syncing
>> between players. She doesn't care what color it is. She is listening
>> to the music.
>>
>
> Your wife doesn't care what colour (note the colonial spelling) it is?
> Hats off to you my friend, you have a gem of a wife there.....And by
> the way I thought the black and silver model was their best styling
> effort...just my opinion.
>

I've never seen an all-black one in real life, but I think I agree. The
SD must've mistakenly thought the demand for a black face plate meant
everybody wanted one. Dropping the white one makes sense to me, but I
think the black/silver one just looked better.

Regards,
Peter

sd2100
2007-11-17, 04:00
I totally forgot the usual suspects. Ipod and Tivoli Audio. Greate products (I believe they are market leaders in theire business area) and the products they sell all comes in a greate variety of colours.
But, if SD wants to loose the battle, there isn't really much to do. Sad but true.

utowana
2007-11-17, 04:03
"My wife looked at the first SB...a kludgey black and silver model"

My "kludgey" reference was a lame attempt at mild sarcasm. I also prefer the silver/black over the all black. The white was, well for other households.

Back to the music. RadioIO Jazz is on right now...glad to have em back.

bpa
2007-11-17, 04:22
Squeezebox in different colours - so 2005
http://web.archive.org/web/20050127014514/http://www.slimdevices.com/

iPhone
2007-11-17, 09:02
I totally forgot the usual suspects. Ipod and Tivoli Audio. Greate products (I believe they are market leaders in theire business area) and the products they sell all comes in a greate variety of colours.
But, if SD wants to loose the battle, there isn't really much to do. Sad but true.

How in the world could anyone think that a retail powerhouse like Logitech is going to let Squeezebox fade away? They just spent half a Billion dollars. New products are going to be coming. New looks are going to be coming. But first, as with any acquisition, the process has to be streamlined and merged with the new parent company.

Logitech is already putting its retail distribution network behind the Squeezebox. My local Fry’s Electronic store has 4 on the shelf for $299.99 in the computer department. The biggest problem that I see for them is who is going to sell it. The Transporter is easy, HiFi Shops. The SB3 is a different animal in the big box store world. Does it belong in the computer department, the audio department, the video department, over in the separate section for MP3 players?

On to color and style, good thing my better half never saw a Rhapsody in Blue or Purple Haze SB2. I would have one of each color in every room of the house. Hey maybe she should have seen it now that I think about that! Anyway, Slim Devices has already tried the color/style thing and I am sure the results were pasted on to Logitech. What is at issue is whether it was to soon for that without enough word of mouth or market share. Now lets look at the white SB3. It must not have been selling or they would not have stopped making them and reduced the price on them to get them out of inventory.

With the price gap to Sonos, Logitech’s manufacturing and distribution (wait until it hits Best Buy), and the SB3’s market share growing, there is a long and diverse future for Squeezebox.

morris_minor
2007-11-17, 09:53
I think one of Logitech's problems is going to be educating the workforce of the stores that'll sell the SB to give proper advice and support to those attracted by the proposition but lacking the technical knowledge in computing terms to get it running.

The Transporter's fine, since proper hi-fi stores will sell these. But you can imagine the scenario in Currys (in the UK) with SBs stacked up alongside toasters and food mixers. It's hard enough to find anyone to ask even a simple question. Try "wireless networks" and "CD ripping" and there *may* be problems.

The SB has to find a mass-market identity. Lifestyle products have to work straight out of the box . . .

Gibbo
2007-11-17, 10:17
When I was looking into getting a wireless music player, and then hence decided on a SB I went around a lot of stereo etc stores trying to find someone that had a demo model etc of something anything. The problem was as said above, no-one would really be able to set it up, they don't have wireless networks and mp3 folders setup etc, I guess they could just have a computer setup with it plugged straight in but it wouldn't really be a benefit when you can just play around with squeezesoft to see how it acts yourself.

I had a conversation with some guys in a sony centre, they said sony used to do a wireless music player, but in store they could never get it working, so in the end sony never sold any of them and dropped it.

tyler_durden
2007-11-17, 10:23
What is a "life-style" product?

It conjures up visions of desperate consumers combing gadget magazines and Sharper-Image catalogs to find the latest over-priced junk that they must have in order to meet some advertising executive's definition of a complete life. Yuck. It sounds so slimy I want to take a shower every time I read the word.

Is that what an SB3 is? I just got mine to make it easier to access my music and get rid of the clutter of CD cases laying around everywhere.

Hmmmm.

TD

morris_minor
2007-11-17, 10:40
What is a "life-style" product?

It conjures up visions of desperate consumers combing gadget magazines and Sharper-Image catalogs to find the latest over-priced junk that they must have in order to meet some advertising executive's definition of a complete life. Yuck. It sounds so slimy I want to take a shower every time I read the word.

Is that what an SB3 is? I just got mine to make it easier to access my music and get rid of the clutter of CD cases laying around everywhere.

Hmmmm.

TD

I quite agree with this. My fear is that SB will be seen as a lifestyle product, and even worse marketed as such!

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-18, 13:04
So, let me get this straight - the SB3 has no future because it isn't available in gaudy colours?

And here I thought Holland was the place for wacky tabaccy, but I guess it's Denmark...

And yeah, those "lifestyle" products are typically all styling and no performance. No thanks on that one. Leave the lifestyle products to the trendies who have to have the latest thing and have no clue how to operate it, but are so pleased that it comes in <insert gaudy colour here> to match their <insert another lifestyle product here>.

sd2100
2007-11-19, 00:55
I've had my SB3 for just over a week and a must say - GREATE. The network was found very quikly and the SB3 was up and running within minuets. My concerns wasn't the hardware but the a little bit boring black looks compared to the fantastic sliver version!

Looks sells whatever you might think. A study just publish recently showed that womens influence in the buying process has increased significantly over the last years.
If money isn't the main buying criteria - what would most women buy if you put a SB3 next to a Sonos? You know the answer.
In hifi (and in other areas of the consumer market) designers a working with WAF (Wife Accentence Factor). That's just a FACT.

iPhone wrote "New products are going to be coming."
I hope so. I can justify a black box in the living room, but 3-4 (boring) boxes around the whole flat? That's a challenge.

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-19, 06:47
If money isn't the main buying criteria - what would most women buy if you put a SB3 next to a Sonos? You know the answer.

But Sonos isn't styled much differently. It's just a white box while the SB3 is black. In fact I believe the box is larger and less discreet.

I'm curious what you think of the SB2: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HardwareComparison which was restyled into the SB3. (Note most SB2s use the case pictured with the SB1 in that comparison).

I do agree with you and I'm more or less lamenting the deplorable state of the market that places looks over all else. It's like buying a car based on its cupholders, which sadly many stupid people do. I'm a function-over-form person and it just goes against my philosophy. I blame the iPod.

As much as I hate the audiophile market, at least there, looks are secondary.

sd2100
2007-11-19, 07:44
But Sonos isn't styled much differently. It's just a white box while the SB3 is black. In fact I believe the box is larger and less discreet.

I'm curious what you think of the SB2: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?HardwareComparison which was restyled into the SB3. (Note most SB2s use the case pictured with the SB1 in that comparison).

I do agree with you and I'm more or less lamenting the deplorable state of the market that places looks over all else. It's like buying a car based on its cupholders, which sadly many stupid people do. I'm a function-over-form person and it just goes against my philosophy. I blame the iPod.

As much as I hate the audiophile market, at least there, looks are secondary.

The SB2 looks awful. Absolutly awful! It has the looks of a extremly cheap clockradio :-(
And with the SB3 it's totally opposite. In black very good - in black/sliver best looking player on the market!

And it bothers me that they just needs to ad some colours and then could charge 5 - 10 $ extra, that would be pure profit + gain a lot more customers. IMHO it's very strange.

Your analogy to the car market is quite good. European cars makers were very slow to install cupholders in the cars due to fact that no one in Europe used to drink and drive. But Americans wanted cupholders so the got them at last.

slimkid
2007-11-19, 08:03
..
Your analogy to the car market is quite good. European cars makers were very slow to install cupholders in the cars due to fact that no one in Europe used to drink and drive. But Americans wanted cupholders so the got them at last...

That's very good example of how things work indeed. People sometimes don't even know they have an option, untill somebody else comes and shows what else is there.

James_B
2007-11-19, 08:41
My fear is that SB will be seen as a lifestyle product, and even worse marketed as such!

And it bothers me that they just needs to ad some colours and then could charge 5 - 10 $ extra, that would be pure profit + gain a lot more customers. IMHO it's very strange.

A pink SB3 might not sound any better, but would it sound any worse? And if you are scared your favourite toy might become this month's must have high-street thing, you might want to think about why that is really an off putting prospect..

Fifer
2007-11-19, 11:27
A pink SB3 might not sound any better, but would it sound any worse? And if you are scared your favourite toy might become this month's must have high-street thing, you might want to think about why that is really an off putting prospect..

Perhaps the concern is that (undoubtedly limited) resources expended on cosmetic developments are resources not being spent on sonic developments? Perhaps it's that focusing on a target market that values look over sound might change the priorities of the company? Perhaps these wouldn't be major issues (and perhaps they would), but they seems reasonably valid concerns to express.

mvalera
2007-11-19, 11:49
And it bothers me that they just needs to ad some colours and then could charge 5 - 10 $ extra, that would be pure profit + gain a lot more customers. IMHO it's very strange.


I'll take mine in a paisley pattern... no, no wait... how about a nice tweed!

Mike

peter
2007-11-19, 12:11
sd2100 wrote:
> I've had my SB3 for just over a week and a must say - GREATE. The
> network was found very quikly and the SB3 was up and running within
> minuets. My concerns wasn't the hardware but the a little bit boring
> black looks compared to the fantastic sliver version!
>
> Looks sells whatever you might think. A study just publish recently
> showed that womens influence in the buying process has increased
> significantly over the last years.
> If money isn't the main buying criteria - what would most women buy if
> you put a SB3 next to a Sonos? You know the answer.
> In hifi (and in other areas of the consumer market) designers a working
> with WAF (Wife Accentence Factor). That's just a FACT.
>
> iPhone wrote "New products are going to be coming."
> I hope so. I can justify a black box in the living room, but 3-4
> (boring) boxes around the whole flat? That's a challenge.
>

I said it before: My favorite sound system would be invisible. No SB, no
amp and no speakers in sight. With the Jive platform we're (slowly)
getting there I think. Just the speakers left. I believe in the US
in-wall speakers are popular. I haven't seen them here. Would be rather
difficult opening up the concrete walls though... ;)

Regards,
Peter (nobody's wife)

funkstar
2007-11-19, 12:52
I'll take mine in a paisley pattern... no, no wait... how about a nice tweed!

Mike
I vote for herring bone :)

Joking aside, have you seen the graphics on the back of the new Zunes? Very cool!

mvalera
2007-11-19, 14:11
All joking aside, colors are great but we're concentrating on a better user experience (try the SqueezeCenter 7.0 beta, it's great) and control (see the Jive beta).

Who knows what the future might bring, but new colors are not in our near future.

Mike

KoxxBoxx
2007-11-19, 14:49
I said it before: My favorite sound system would be invisible. No SB, no
amp and no speakers in sight. With the Jive platform we're (slowly)
getting there I think. Just the speakers left. I believe in the US
in-wall speakers are popular. I haven't seen them here. Would be rather
difficult opening up the concrete walls though... ;)

Regards,
Peter (nobody's wife)

For some odd reason women tend to like boxes, so how about this setup:

A box like this one form your local IKEA store: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/30115491
It comes with a transparent "window" and I guess it's large enough to hold both a SB and a small T-amp like the Trends TA-10. Cut a few holes in the back for power chord and speaker cables.

Then get a pair of bookshelf speakers, take them to someone who knows how to use an airbrush and have him paint them so they look like book covers on the sides and book spines on the front grilles.

Voila - a camouflage Squeezebox-in-a-box with audiobook speakers!

Paul_B
2007-11-19, 15:00
For me there are three main things about the SB3 that justify the cost:

1 - Sound quality; a FLAC CD from my NAS is exactly the same quality on my stero as playing the CD mid-priced Hi-Fi CD player.

2 - The accessibility of my music; not just being lazy and getting a CD out the drawer but hearing one tune and thinking of another then finding it instantly on the SqueezeCenter rather than emptying every CD to find it.

3 - The VFD Display; even when I am not listening to music the SB3 has a beautiful display which is very clear (even with my eye-site) and I can display time, weather ot integrate it into my HA system

sd2100
2007-11-20, 01:24
All joking aside, colors are great but we're concentrating on a better user experience (try the SqueezeCenter 7.0 beta, it's great) and control (see the Jive beta).

Who knows what the future might bring, but new colors are not in our near future.

Mike

I'm very sorry :-( but Mike your answer is the typical engineers answer. And that is not god enough.

If the buying process is cancelled after a quick view at the black box it doesn't matter how good it performs sonically (if I can say so) or how easy it is to operate/use.

Paul_B
2007-11-20, 01:40
But the tarket market of the Squeezebox is for people who appreciate good quality music. If colour is the guiding principle for your buying decision and outways the sound then why are you spending so much money? Plenty of other products on the market are much cheaper versions (cos they only play MP3) and come in lots of colours.

Surely Squeezebox is positioned as a product with a USP of the best quality network music player for the price point?

Fifer
2007-11-20, 01:40
I'm very sorry :-( but Mike your answer is the typical engineers answer. And that is not god enough.
I don't think he ever claimed to be a deity.


If the buying process is cancelled after a quick view at the black box it doesn't matter how good it performs sonically (if I can say so) or how easy it is to operate/use.

I'm far from convinced that the lack of colour choices is a factor here. How many home audio components offer anything other than a very limited (or no) choice of colours? I don't believe that's a decision driven by engineers. Most audio companies employ very proficient marketing people and rainbow schemes tend to be noticable only by their absence.

bpa
2007-11-20, 01:46
At the moment I think the main factors in sales win/lose are:
* price
* differentiation from competition

I think Logitech/Slimdevices are addressing these through Jive and a new model.

cliveb
2007-11-20, 04:53
I'm far from convinced that the lack of colour choices is a factor here. How many home audio components offer anything other than a very limited (or no) choice of colours?
As a lifestyle product, maybe sd2100 has a point. But I don't regard myself as having the aesthetic understanding to appreciate what is important in a lifestyle product.

As a serious audio component, the packaging just isn't right. The current "cute" styling makes it *look* like a lifestyle product, and a lot of people who are serious about sound quality will dismiss it for that reason. If it were packaged in a more traditional 19" box it would have a better chance of acceptance by the audio world.

Perhaps the SB3 is in danger of attempting to address two markets and missing out on both.

sd2100
2007-11-20, 05:01
Perhaps the SB3 is in danger of attempting to address two markets and missing out on both.

Exactly!
It is to beautyful designed to be taken serious and to boring (all black) to be lifestile. And there is some stiff competitors - Soundbridge/Sonos/Noxon/Teac WAP etc.

The Transporter doesn't have that problem - it knows what it is = pure hifi/(maybe even) high end. And alternatives to Transporter?
Linn DS at a insane price.

So to sum it up:
SB3 - expensive (relative) - lot of alternatives!
Transporter - cheap (relative) - no competion!

No future for the SB3 as it is right now.

Fifer
2007-11-20, 05:19
As a serious audio component, the packaging just isn't right. The current "cute" styling makes it *look* like a lifestyle product, and a lot of people who are serious about sound quality will dismiss it for that reason. If it were packaged in a more traditional 19" box it would have a better chance of acceptance by the audio world.

Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? Why would a manufacturer restrict the versatility of something which fits in the SB3 form factor by housing it in a casing more than ten times the volume it needs to be? The SB3 happily fits in nooks and spaces where a 19" box would be compeletely impractical. That (to me) is versatility, not 'lifestyle'.

I'm obviously just not getting this issue.

morris_minor
2007-11-20, 05:54
Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance? Why would a manufacturer restrict the versatility of something which fits in the SB3 form factor by housing it in a casing more than ten times the volume it needs to be? The SB3 happily fits in nooks and spaces where a 19" box would be compeletely impractical. That (to me) is versatility, not 'lifestyle'.

I'm obviously just not getting this issue.

I think the problem is that SB3 will be sold in places where "convenience" and "lifestyle" products are sold by the bucket load - and, guilty by association, it too will be perceived this way by a great many people.

Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get it running. It's not a plug and play device unless you already have your network configured, Slim Server running, and CDs ripped.

If SB3 is to have a future it has to either live in its current niche as a great product for those in the know with the ability to get it running, or be sold with the proper support from the retailer. A great many people I know would never think about trawling through this forum for the great advice that the SB3/TP community offer (or even want to). They need their High Street/Internet/Mall (whatever) retailer to support them properly.

This, IMO, is Logitech's greatest challenge in taking the SB3 forward.

cliveb
2007-11-20, 06:21
Isn't it even more bizarre for people who are serious about audio to dismiss something on aesthetic considerations? Don't serious audio enthuisiasts make decisions based on sound quality rather than appearance?
In principle, yes. But the world is full of "cute" lifestyle products, and as a general rule a lot of them are hopeless.

Therefore, when one is faced with something that looks like a lifestyle product, the psychological instinct is to start with an assumption that it's probably mainly form and not much function. It's just not possible to thoroughly research every option, so a lot of people will remove items from the shortlist based on the "it looks like a duck, so it's unlikely to be a swan" premise.

Fifer
2007-11-20, 06:34
Therefore, when one is faced with something that looks like a lifestyle product, the psychological instinct is to start with an assumption that it's probably mainly form and not much function. It's just not possible to thoroughly research every option, so a lot of people will remove items from the shortlist based on the "it looks like a duck, so it's unlikely to be a swan" premise.

Fair comment clive, but these days, there is the great leveller that is the internet. More and more people now begin their pre-purchasing research by googling for whatever it is they are looking for (particularly for technical purchases, including audio equipment) even if they intend to buy from a store. I think on that basis, anyone googling for 'music streamer' or 'wireless music player' is going to get a pretty strong nudge in the right direction.

msherman
2007-11-20, 07:07
morris_minor wrote:
>
> Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But
> if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I
> wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't
> persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not a
> plug and play device unless you already have your network configured,
> Slim Server running, and CDs ripped.

Wow, this is so missing the point. It _is_ a plug an play device with
squeeze _network_. The server is not the "everyman" solution, it's the
hacker solution. For the non-tech-savvy consumer market, they've got
squeeze network. As long as you've got a router that sees the internet,
it Just Works.

- Marc

morris_minor
2007-11-20, 08:33
morris_minor wrote:
>
> Us folks who've embraced the SB3 know what a quality device it is. But
> if you aren't too computer savvy, setting it up may be a problem. I
> wonder how many SB3s will be returned by customers who haven't
> persevered (or just couldn't be bothered) to get in running. It's not a
> plug and play device unless you already have your network configured,
> Slim Server running, and CDs ripped.

Wow, this is so missing the point. It _is_ a plug an play device with
squeeze _network_. The server is not the "everyman" solution, it's the
hacker solution. For the non-tech-savvy consumer market, they've got
squeeze network. As long as you've got a router that sees the internet,
it Just Works.

- Marc

Well, yes - if all you want is a "World Band" radio . . . and assuming our non-techy user even knows what a router is . . and can then set it up . . then it does Just Work :o)

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36061&highlight=poll

JimC
2007-11-20, 20:43
Well, yes - if all you want is a "World Band" radio . . . and assuming our non-techy user even knows what a router is . . and can then set it up . . then it does Just Work :o)

Actually, it is already far more than a world-band radio. It connects you to music services like Pandora, Rhapsody, Live365, RadioIO, and now Slacker Radio. It also allows you to store your personal music collection in an MP3tunes music locker*, for access whether or not your computer/server is available.

Basically, it's an IT-less, always-on, everyman version of SlimServer. About the only things you don't have are FLAC / ALAC support (*MP3tunes allows only compressed music files), and local plug-ins.

And we're doing a LOT of work in the SqueezeNetwork area, so you'll see it continue to improve and evolve.


-=> Jim

morris_minor
2007-11-21, 02:06
And we're doing a LOT of work in the SqueezeNetwork area, so you'll see it continue to improve and evolve.


-=> Jim

That's good to hear Jim, but I still think the levels of support for SB3 are crucial to its success in the wider marketplace.

I'll shut up now!

jeebers
2007-11-21, 02:47
Actually, it is already far more than a world-band radio. It connects you to music services like Pandora, Rhapsody, Live365, RadioIO, and now Slacker Radio. It also allows you to store your personal music collection in an MP3tunes music locker*, for access whether or not your computer/server is available.

Basically, it's an IT-less, always-on, everyman version of SlimServer. About the only things you don't have are FLAC / ALAC support (*MP3tunes allows only compressed music files), and local plug-ins.

And we're doing a LOT of work in the SqueezeNetwork area, so you'll see it continue to improve and evolve.


-=> Jim

I know you already know this, and it's not meant as a dig, but Pandora, Rhapsody and Slacker are US-only, therefore meaningless to the rest of us.
I understand the reasons why, and I know it's not Logitech / SD's fault, but I do hope that some of the SqueezeNetwork development is focused on providing alternative, comparable services for non US owners.

ChrisNY
2007-11-21, 13:55
Has any thought been given to setting up a training/certification process to have some of the very knowledgable folks around here act as installation helpers? This would help those prospective customers that would like to go beyond the Squeezenetwork option but just don't have the requisitite skills/confidence to work through the process? I've always offered to help friends set up their system if/when they decide to join the ranks of happy Squeezebox owners. No takers yet, but I'll be showing off the Squeezebox (including the new in-ceiling speakers I've hooked up in the bathroom!) to the guests during Thanksgiving so who knows???

JimC
2007-11-21, 14:31
I know you already know this, and it's not meant as a dig, but Pandora, Rhapsody and Slacker are US-only, therefore meaningless to the rest of us.
I understand the reasons why, and I know it's not Logitech / SD's fault, but I do hope that some of the SqueezeNetwork development is focused on providing alternative, comparable services for non US owners.

We're working with all of the serious players in the area of internet-based music and can support the appropriate ones, once the Byzantine licensing structures in Europe are fixed. The CRB here in the U.S might be a pain, and may not fully grasp the value of internet radio/music services, but at least it's a one-stop shop for broadcasters.

Did you know one of the redundant server farms for SqueezeNetwork is in Europe. We really do want to make it work, and work perfectly, for everyone.


-=> Jim

erland
2007-11-21, 17:21
I think the most of the current SqueezeBox owners fall in either of the following categories:
- Computer geek
- Audiophile

Both these categories needs a computer at home and thus also likes to setup a local SlimServer. The audiophiles because the internet radio sound quality is't good enough and the computer geeks because a SlimServer will results in an extra computer or a cool NAS box.

I think a probable future is that Logitech likes to target a third category of users, those that like music but really doesn't care as much about the sound quality as the audiophiles. The optimal solution for these users would probably be a setup with no local SlimServer. If/when the internet radio services get good enough you will be able to stream your choice of music and there are already sites like mp3tunes.com that allows you to play your own music through SqueezeNetwork. It won't work for the audiophiles because the quality when streaming over internet isn't good enough, it won't work for the computer geeks because they want their precious extra computer/NAS, but I think it will work for the third user category.

This will of course simplify the setup a lot, because all you have to do is plugin your SqueezeBox and connect to your router and register att SqueezeNetwork and your are done.

This third category of people are also not represented in any polls in the forum, which also results in that these polls that indicates that most SqueezeBox owners runs Linux and have a local SlimServer might not be representative of the future.

My guess is that SlimServer/SqueezeCenter will probably still be supported in the future for the audiophiles and computer geeks crowd. Especially since SqueezeNetwork as I understand basically is just a customized version of SlimServer running on a central place.

The thing that is going to make the really cool stuff happen is the Jive remote, if developed correctly. When the Jive remote will be able to play music directly to your ears, we won't even be needing the SqueezeBox. A Jive remote in the format of a portable device would mean that you will have access to all your music anywhere where you have wireless access. Of course, this would mean that the Jive remote needs to take the logical step from being a remote control to be a portable internet streaming device. I think we will probably see a intermediate step to reach this goal, where the Jive device is just a remote control to control your local SqueezeBox.

When getting into the portable device area colors will also start to matter. For a SqueezeBox standing in the living room you want it to fit the style/color of the other equipment in the room, so a blue or pink SqueezeBox doesn't make much sense to me. But for a portable Jive internet streaming device is certainly does, because then it's starting to be a "life style product" and Logitech is going to be in the competition with the iPod.

Even though I personally doesn't listen to internet radio at all, I think internet services will be the future. The number of people that feels it is important to have a nice record collection visible in the living room is probably going to decrease in the future. The strange thing is that the current main obstacle for internet services is the music industry itself. But it is probably just a matter of time until they will open their eyes and adapt their business models to streaming based solutions.

jeebers
2007-11-22, 04:29
We're working with all of the serious players in the area of internet-based music and can support the appropriate ones, once the Byzantine licensing structures in Europe are fixed. The CRB here in the U.S might be a pain, and may not fully grasp the value of internet radio/music services, but at least it's a one-stop shop for broadcasters.

Did you know one of the redundant server farms for SqueezeNetwork is in Europe. We really do want to make it work, and work perfectly, for everyone.


-=> Jim

Thanks for the reply - good to know the European capacity exists, now all we need to do is sort out the licensing. Can't see that being a problem... ;-)

moley6knipe
2007-11-22, 06:34
I bought my first SB3 a few months ago to replace a Netgear MP101, and I've just bought my second.

I use iTunes/iPod, so when I set it up (6.5.3 at the time) I ticked "use iTunes" and after the scan it was good to go. Dead easy. I think the default options are good; if you use
DHCP and all your music is either in one place or you use iTunes, then there's not a lot more you need to do to get it working. And the default transcoding options should mean that your SB doesn't care what audio you squirt in, which is what most casual buyers would want, I guess.

So I think, in that sense, it is a "lifestyle" product - of course, like many others, I couldn'r resist tinkering; but let's face it, you don't **need** to add plugins, and your own RSS feeds etc to listen to your music. That you can do this sort of thing if you want is brilliant, I think.

One area I think could be improved is tagging - like many other music playback products, SB and TP are as good as your tags. I think there's something to be said for a proper (either printed and with the product, or downloadable pdf) guide to ripping/tagging - by this I mean something that avoids some of the things that may not make sense to the new user, such as how to store compilations, why have some things got cover art and others haven't etc. I know there's stuf on the wiki, but for wider user acceptance pr'ps a couple of sheets of A4 would help?

Just my £0.02.