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Trevor Tern
2004-01-24, 19:22
The Netgear device in the list below seems to be equivalent and
is available for USD 150!

Robin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:52:07 -0700
To: "''Slim Devices Discussion''" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Subject: [slim] Is there future for squeezebox/slimp3 with the currentretail prices?

> If you can't afford a squeezebox or slimp3 (only $239) then don't buy one.
> You cannot build a comparable device for less money, others have tried.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
> brievenbus (AT) zonnet (DOT) nl
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:28 PM
> To: slimsever
> Subject: [slim] Is there future for squeezebox/slimp3 with the current
> retail prices?
>
> Hi, Before you start a flame session: I love my 'old' slimp3 but would like
> to
> make some remarks about the current prices.
>
> I tried to make my own cost estimate about what the price of a device should
> be in the current market. We see a lot of competition coming of similar
> devices:
> http://www.rokulabs.com/
> http://www.netgear.com/products/prod_details.asp?prodID=234
> http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1481&Langue_ID=7
> http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=dvd&v=users
>
> I think many of the owners in this group are the techies(like me) who like
> the
> opensource/multiplatform feature of a sqeezebox but the who cares about that
> outside this relative small community. In the retail channel this does not
> count (yet?!). When the competing devices hit retail stores their numbers
> grow
> and prices go down.
> Where does this leave Slimdevices?
>
> My personal cost estimate, I'll 'build' a device from another audio device:
> Compare a wired only Squeeze box with an external USB sound card, replace
> USB
> for Ethernet and add a display:
> External USB sound cards start now at 50$ and majority around 100-150. Add
> a
> display and you have a similar device. Both have remote controls, and
> software
> running on a PC.
>
> I started thinking about this because the kids would like to have a
> squeezebox
> as well in their room but the steep price keeps me from buying extra
> devices.
>
> Crazy Idea: for the 300$ of a squeeze box I can buy a Dell Axim with Wifi,
> stream MP3 to that and connect Powered external speakers. The kids would
> love
> it! (OK, not realistic, this would not live long in a kids room and the
> sound
> quality is different but the prices are comparable).
>
> Thanks for listening.
> Willem Oepkes
>
>
> --
>

jacobdp
2004-01-24, 19:45
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:22:58 -0500, you wrote:
>The Netgear device in the list below seems to be equivalent

I don't think so...
- VFD display
- Open-source server
- Linux, Macintosh support
- ogg, aac, flac, whatever
- Extensible (plugins, skins)
- Hackable hardware (Geek Connector)

Right?

- Jacob

--
"Terminak #3 has bad keyboard. Pkease fix."

Walter Williams
2004-01-24, 19:50
Well, only time will tell, but many of these "media boxes" from everyone
under the sun (Linksys, Netgear, Creative Labs, etc...) seem like big
companies putting their toe in the water.
I believe that many of them will be discontinued. This may seem like no big
deal, but from what I've read, many of them have unstable, half finished
software. I wouldn't count on many new features being added. Expect
perhaps 2-3 software releases before they either lose interest, or replace
them with a new product and discontinue development on the older model.

Consider it a strength or weakness, but SlimDevices is a one product
company, and seems very commited.
They have had their share of issues with the 5.01 software (and SqueezeBox)
but they are actively supporting the product.
Never minding the open source nature of the software, what other company do
you know that makes daily releases of software available?

I can happily say that as of today's nightly release all my open issues have
been resolved. That counts for a lot in my book.

Just my .02.

Walter...



----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Tern" <tern (AT) post (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 6:22 PM
Subject: [slim] Is there future for squeezebox/slimp3 with the
currentretail prices?


The Netgear device in the list below seems to be equivalent and
is available for USD 150!

Robin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:52:07 -0700
To: "''Slim Devices Discussion''" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Subject: [slim] Is there future for squeezebox/slimp3 with the
currentretail prices?

> If you can't afford a squeezebox or slimp3 (only $239) then don't buy one.
> You cannot build a comparable device for less money, others have tried.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
> brievenbus (AT) zonnet (DOT) nl
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:28 PM
> To: slimsever
> Subject: [slim] Is there future for squeezebox/slimp3 with the current
> retail prices?
>
> Hi, Before you start a flame session: I love my 'old' slimp3 but would
like
> to
> make some remarks about the current prices.
>
> I tried to make my own cost estimate about what the price of a device
should
> be in the current market. We see a lot of competition coming of similar
> devices:
> http://www.rokulabs.com/
> http://www.netgear.com/products/prod_details.asp?prodID=234
> http://www.pinnaclesys.com/ProductPage_n.asp?Product_ID=1481&Langue_ID=7
> http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=dvd&v=users
>
> I think many of the owners in this group are the techies(like me) who like
> the
> opensource/multiplatform feature of a sqeezebox but the who cares about
that
> outside this relative small community. In the retail channel this does not
> count (yet?!). When the competing devices hit retail stores their numbers
> grow
> and prices go down.
> Where does this leave Slimdevices?
>
> My personal cost estimate, I'll 'build' a device from another audio
device:
> Compare a wired only Squeeze box with an external USB sound card, replace
> USB
> for Ethernet and add a display:
> External USB sound cards start now at 50$ and majority around 100-150.
Add
> a
> display and you have a similar device. Both have remote controls, and
> software
> running on a PC.
>
> I started thinking about this because the kids would like to have a
> squeezebox
> as well in their room but the steep price keeps me from buying extra
> devices.
>
> Crazy Idea: for the 300$ of a squeeze box I can buy a Dell Axim with Wifi,
> stream MP3 to that and connect Powered external speakers. The kids would
> love
> it! (OK, not realistic, this would not live long in a kids room and the
> sound
> quality is different but the prices are comparable).
>
> Thanks for listening.
> Willem Oepkes
>
>
> --
>

Steve Baumgarten
2004-01-24, 21:32
>>The Netgear device in the list below seems to be equivalent
>
> I don't think so...
> - VFD display
> - Open-source server
> - Linux, Macintosh support
> - ogg, aac, flac, whatever
> - Extensible (plugins, skins)
> - Hackable hardware (Geek Connector)
>
> Right?

In addition, the Netgear unit doesn't have a digital out, only RCA stereo
jacks. Also there's one more minor point: it doesn't actually seem to be
available yet. (And what support Netgear will provide for it when it is
available may be indicated by the fact that it's almost impossible to find
if you start at www.netgear.com -- face it, this product isn't part of
their core business and as such it's likely to be treated that way once
they actually start selling it.)

Another plus for the Squeezebox: I love the fact that I can connect to the
SlimServer (and thereby control what I'm listening to) via a browser. The
Netgear server is almost certainly a Windows application; controllable to
some extent via the remote, of course, but not via a laptop you've got
with you in the same room, talking wirelessly back to the PC running the
server.

And then there's the tremendous developer community. That's worth a lot.

However, there's one thing in Netgear's favor: they seem to have cut a
deal with Rhapsody, so if you subscribe to their service (like iTunes, but
they have a subscription component that allows you to listen to an
unlimited amount of music via streaming audio) you can listen to it via
the Netgear box. I consider that a big advantage -- but again, only if
you're a Rhapsody subscriber.

Will prices for these sorts of devices in general drop from $300 to be
closer to $150? Probably; almost certainly if any of the major
electronics companies decide to produce similar products. Meanwhile,
every Slimp3 or Squeezebox owner is, to some extent, an early adopter, so
of course prices are going to be a little higher now than they will be for
equivalent (if slightly less functional) products in the future. (And
that Netgear unit definitely seems to be of the future, since none of the
online stores listed seem to have it in stock.)

Meanwhile I'm enjoying my Squeezebox, a polished and fairly mature product
that is well supported by the company and by an active user community. If
I had waited a while longer and was willing to give up all the time I've
enjoyed my Squeezebox, then yes, I could in the future get a slightly less
functional Netgear unit that would be a version 1.0 product and have (I
expect) exactly the kind of support Netgear provides for all their other
products (i.e., nothing great).

But it's not worth the wait, and it's not worth giving up the
functionality, just to save a little money -- at least in my opinion.

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