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Gibbo
2007-11-15, 05:05
I'm working for a company that in the next 6 months will move to a new lab (i'm a chemist) i'm trying to convince my boss that in a lab of around 8-10 people, around 700 sq ft at a vague guess, radio just will not do as not all the people will be happy listening to any station, and all will just get annoyed, and so we need a squeezebox set to random play, so people can just chuck their music on a NAS or computer upstairs and the SB downstairs can play from that. I'd like to know what people would do about speakers etc?

given the job of setting it up yourself, what would you buy? you have 200 to get everything after you've bought the SB. (not including the computer or wireless or anything) I need a good solution so I can convince people.

Any ideas are appreciated.

Robin Bowes
2007-11-15, 06:15
Gibbo wrote:
> I'm working for a company that in the next 6 months will move to a new
> lab (i'm a chemist) i'm trying to convince my boss that in a lab of
> around 8-10 people, around 70 sq ft at a vague guess, radio just will
> not do as not all the people will be happy listening to any station,
> and all will just get annoyed, and so we need a squeezebox set to
> random play, so people can just chuck their music on a NAS or computer
> upstairs and the SB downstairs can play from that. I'd like to know
> what people would do about speakers etc?
>
> given the job of setting it up yourself, what would you buy? you have
> 200 to get everything after you've bought the SB. (not including the
> computer or wireless or anything) I need a good solution so I can
> convince people.

I've got three pairs of AE Aego M active speakers in vaarious locations.
They're dirt cheap on ebay at the moment. Very good value.

R.

Gibbo
2007-11-15, 08:00
I've just got a set for home, I love em, they are my first choice already.

But wasn't sure about how many satellites I'd need, and if there was then the need for all of the sub's and how best to connect multiple sets to the SB.

Pale Blue Ego
2007-11-15, 13:21
You should look at the AudioEngine 2. Sweet little speakers which require no sub.

JJZolx
2007-11-15, 14:21
Do you really have 10 people in a _70_ square foot office?

Why any need for a Squeezebox? An old PC with a sound card would work just as well or better.

mvalera
2007-11-15, 17:05
The sound from the Squeezebox is superior to an "old computer" any day of the week. The sound out of a motherboard or sound card is horrible in the mean, and mediocre in all but the very high end.

JJZolx
2007-11-15, 17:12
The sound from the Squeezebox is superior to an "old computer" any day of the week. The sound out of a motherboard or sound card is horrible in the mean, and mediocre in all but the very high end.

Get a decent sound card if you think you can hear a difference playing background music in a chemistry lab with 10 people. An M-Audio Revolution for under $70 is very nice sounding card and probably overkill for this application.

mvalera
2007-11-15, 17:25
Go try and find any specs on the DAC in that card.

99% of them are cheapo garbage.

The only one I know of that even talks about the dac inside their card is the top if the line Creative X-fi, and that costs as much as a squeezebox.

I get your point about the noise in the lab, but any sound card that works as well or better than the Squeezbox for listening to audio is going to cost as much or more.

Mike

JJZolx
2007-11-15, 17:49
I get your point about the noise in the lab, but any sound card that works as well or better than the Squeezbox for listening to audio is going to cost as much or more.

I'm not saying it's as good, although Squeezebox's sound is really nothing to write home about. You're going to need to have a hard disk in one computer containing the music files and on which to run SlimServer. So throw a sound card into it for playing background music. I'm guessing the input files are going to be low to moderate bitrate mp3's as well, so even more reason why there should be no noticable difference in sound quality.

The Squeezebox serves a purpose. It's biggest reason for existing is for getting digital music stored on a PC in one location to play on a music system in another. If the lab setup fits this scenario, then by all means, spend the extra $230.

Gibbo
2007-11-16, 01:46
OOPS, small typo, erm, it was meant to say around 700 sq ft.

10 people in 70 sq ft would be a bit of a squeeze. no pun intended.

Looks like the audioengine 2's have just about hit the UK market, they may prove a bit pricey though as for the size of room i'd guess we'd need about 2-3 sets.

I like the idea of the SB as we don't really want a computer down in the lab, we have an office upstairs. even if it is just an old bits and bobs computer, it just seems like a far better idea to have a SB, much more user friendly etc.

mecouc
2007-11-16, 02:09
Personally I can't think of anything worse than being forced to listen to other people's choice of music for even part of the day - and I have worked in a lab. Make sure that people who don't want music on are allowed to work in peace!

Gibbo
2007-11-16, 02:33
The problem being, I hate working in silence, the lab will be far too open plan for people to have their own music on. I can understand that some people may not want any music at all, perhaps a system of randon play on the squeezebox, with certain genres / bands being banned from the system at peoples request / leisure?

Everyone who works with me at the moment I think will be happy enough with the setup as I intend to implement it, any future employees will be junior to me and I guess it'll be a part of the interview process seeing if they fit in with the team.

Robin Bowes
2007-11-16, 02:56
Gibbo wrote:
> The problem being, I hate working in silence, the lab will be far too
> open plan for people to have their own music on. I can understand that
> some people may not want any music at all, perhaps a system of randon
> play on the squeezebox, with certain genres / bands being banned from
> the system at peoples request / leisure?
>
> Everyone who works with me at the moment I think will be happy enough
> with the setup as I intend to implement it, any future employees will
> be junior to me and I guess it'll be a part of the interview process
> seeing if they fit in with the team.

Ever considered headphones? Perhaps wireless?

R.

Gibbo
2007-11-16, 04:18
Not too safe working in a chemistry lab wearing headphones, even wireless ones. need to be able to hear if something happens. and I'd find it a bit rude working in an open environment to wear headphones.

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-16, 09:07
The problem being, I hate working in silence, the lab will be far too open plan for people to have their own music on. I can understand that some people may not want any music at all, perhaps a system of randon play on the squeezebox, with certain genres / bands being banned from the system at peoples request / leisure?

Everyone who works with me at the moment I think will be happy enough with the setup as I intend to implement it, any future employees will be junior to me and I guess it'll be a part of the interview process seeing if they fit in with the team.

No offence but I'd expect a very high turnover.

I know I wouldn't be able to work in such an environment for more than 15 minutes. It would drive me crazy, even background music. I'd only survive by closing my head in the fume hood, and if there was anything toxic in there it would be sweet release...

Gibbo
2007-11-16, 09:16
I'm quite suprised by peoples responses tbh.

surely as music lovers none of you are limited to likeing only one genre? what would be so wrong about working in an environment with random play music on from a majority policed collection? you could eliminate anything that you hated, as could other people, i'm sure that would still leave a vast music collection to have playing.

I like most things other than general chart stuff, ie pop and RnB, oh and UK garage. everything else i'll happily enjoy.

Oh and only generally toxic stuff in the fumehood at the moment, nothing too specific, or lethal.

mecouc
2007-11-16, 09:23
I wouldn't want music on all day. What you suggest would probably be great for an hour or two. I'd have BBC radio 4 on all day quite happily but it might be more distracting. And sometimes you just need quiet.. ssshh!

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-16, 09:43
Sorry Gibbo, I told you I meant no offence.

It's me. I'm just extremely intolerant of it at work, even if it's stuff I like. I have had only slight exposure to it and it drove me bonkers.

I simply can't concentrate on anything else if there's music on - which may be why I like it so much.

Gibbo
2007-11-16, 09:52
Please don't think i'm offended in the slightest mark. I value peoples opinions and was just interested in more of an explanation. I missunderstood and thought you meant you wouldn't stand for anything other than your own music playing.


I hadn't really thought about people wanting it to be silent. I guess to be honest where people are doing computer work etc it will be without music, but downstairs is only practical stuff, and I think people will be less inclined to want it silent. Maybe its unfair both ways, I personally can't work at my fumehood for long without music, and I know others are the same, at the computer is different, I like music but often find it irritating and I get frustrated with it.

I think its a case of I need music when i'm doing practical stuff, so i'll be setting up a system, if the company are happy then i'll set up a SB system, if not maybe i'll do what I do now and have my ipod hooked up to some aego m's or something, and will have to arrange somtheing for everyone.

mecouc
2007-11-16, 11:23
How about setting it up but allowing "no music til lunchtime" to be as valid a choice as "let's listen to jazz"

Gibbo
2007-11-17, 05:50
I think it will have to be a general agreement thing hour by hour.

anyways, anyone actually got some ideas on how you would set this up? best way to connect several sets of speakers up to a SB? simply use phono splitters? we aren't looking for audiophile quality and I don't think the budget will allow for cat5.