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Stephen R Ward
2004-01-21, 07:05
Hi!

Just a quick update for anyone that's interested: I installed the D-Link
DWL-M60AT 6dBi Directional Antenna on my Squeezebox, today -- and, even
after only playing with positioning it (somewhere out of sight, for SAF
reasons ;-) for a few minutes, have boosted the signal strength to over 50%
(from 30%)!

Not so sure if it makes a difference to quality, reliability, etc. -- it
certainly makes me feel better, though!

Two quick questions: my Mac shows traffic out of around 25-30 KB/s (using
Guy Meyer's Net Monitor) when the Squeezebox is playing. This seems low for
MP3s sampled at 192 kbps... -- but I'm probably missing something obvious
when asking if this is typical?

If I stick to using MP3s, apart from improving quality, what impact on my
network would sample rates of 320 kbps make (i.e. would it cope okay :-)?

Thanks...!
--
- $.

Stephen R Ward
<srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>


On 13/01/2004 3:02 pm, "Stephen R Ward" <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm in a similar situation -- with a signal that usually hovers around the
> 30% mark (after much aerial tweaking!). Although I've only suffered one
> sound dropout so far (that I've noticed...), I'm going to have a play with
> replacing the default antenna on the Squeezebox with one of these (and,
> almost certainly, locating it _outside_ the cabinet where the Squeezebox
> lives with all my hi-fi and telly kit...):
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/27ag5>
>
> If you wish, email me, and I'll let you know how I get on. Otherwise, I'll
> either have to move my trusty old original Airport base station somewhere
> else... -- as I'm not keen on dropping an Ethernet cable from the loft to
> the ground floor (...which will instantly cancel-out the Spouse Approval
> Factor that the Squeezebox gained instantly!) -- or replace it with a base
> station with a replaceable antenna.
>
> Other than that, you could always have a go at making your own antenna... --
> as suggested by Kevin at Slim support:
>
>> If you're feeling adventurous, you could also make a cantennawave-guide
>> antenna. There are several pages on the net on how to make them, including:
>>
>> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
>
> Good luck...!
>
> - $.
>
>
> On 13/01/2004 1:01 pm, "Shah, Milan BGI UK" <Milan.Shah (AT) barclaysglobal (DOT) com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I know off them, having bought 2 routers from them in the past.
>> In speaking to tehm, they suggested that if possible I should run an Ethernet
>> cable.
>> Wireless is over-rated. At least with a string you can follow and know where
>> it's broken.
>>
>> ....so, I have managed to cable it and I get amazing responses. NO stutters,
>> glitches or loss.
>> All I need know is a 20" masonary bit to drill though my wall !
>>
>> Milan Shah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com]On Behalf Of Gordon
>> BulkMail
>> Sent: 05 January 2004 10:09
>> To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>> Subject: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
>>
>>
>> You could try solwise.co.uk they sell a fair amount of kit. I don't own a
>> squeezebox but I presume that is has a reverse-sma connector or something
>> similar, in which case it should not be a great problem adding an external
>> ariel.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shah, Milan BGI UK [mailto:Milan.Shah (AT) barclaysglobal (DOT) com]
>> Sent: 05 January 2004 09:53
>> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> Subject: [slim] Improving Wireless Strength on the Squeezebox
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am a lucky owner of a squeezebox. My wife was good enough to allow me to
>> get one for X-mas.
>> Easy to set up and working relatively ok.
>> I have a issue with the wireless strength. Unfortunately I am restricted on
>> the placement of my squeezebox and my router.
>> Where it currently is, I am getting less that 20% signal strength. I have
>> tested the squeezebox elsewhere and notice a higher strength.
>> Q: Is there a higher gain antenna that I can replace the current one to get
>> me a better signal.
>> If not available from slimdevices, can anyone suggest a site or shop where I
>> may purchase one.
>> I am based in the U.K.
>> Thanks
>> Milan
>>
>>
>>

Recoveryone
2017-08-05, 18:35
This was the only thread I could find concerning wifi traffic, so I am posting this little info here.

My Verizon/Frontier router took a dump recently and I order a new one. With the growing number of wifi devices in my home (30 +) I needed to start dividing up the devices to cut down on the strain on the 2 G signal. My router like most newer ones put out a dual signal, 2.4 G and 5 G, So I made sure all the devices I had that support 5 G would be on that signal. My server in the garage had a older 2 G adapter on it, so I purchased a 5 G to help relieve the strain. The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality.

Apesbrain
2017-08-06, 08:09
The unintentional bonus using the 5 G on the server was a bigger sound stage and more depth in my music. After thinking on this, it makes good sense as the 5 G is putting out more bandwidth to my squeezebox touches. We all known being hardwire is best, put like most my home was not built with network sockets in all the outlets, so wifi is the only way to stream. This could be about the cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality.
Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result.

Suggested reading: List of cognitive biases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases)

alfista
2017-08-06, 08:20
Actually think the internet would be a saner place if all texts containing "s*und st*ge" would be quietly sent to /dev/null.
I mean, is it really a thing? Is it ever used in any meaningful context?

And if someone actually believed the stuff, hooking up the server to 5 GHz isn't "putting out more bandwidth" to any Squeezeboxes, for a number of reasons it will be exactly the same.

d6jg
2017-08-06, 12:07
It might turn a 1 into a 1.00001 and a 0 into 0.00001 - you never know

Recoveryone
2017-08-06, 15:45
Glad this worked out for you, but there is no reason for anyone to expect the introduction of a 5G wireless router will improve the sound quality of their Squeezeboxes. You might believe you hear a "bigger sound stage and more depth", but I suggest this is due to your expectation of the results rather than to any real result. Valid as this might be to you personally, it's not an adequate basis for recommending that others follow a similar path to the same result.

Suggested reading: List of cognitive biases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases)

It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file info. And I did not expect any changes as I was only doing this switch for relieving the amount of devices on the 2G signal, I was not trying to gain any improvements on the sound.

edwin2006
2017-08-07, 04:22
Just connect server via cable, better not use wifi for LMS server.

Apesbrain
2017-08-07, 08:10
It wasn't the router, but the server I added an 5 G adapter, the router has nothing to do with it as the Touch connects to the sever for file info. And I did not expect any changes as I was only doing this switch for relieving the amount of devices on the 2G signal, I was not trying to gain any improvements on the sound.

"Expectation bias" is much more subtle and pervasive than you're giving it credit. If you're interested in understanding it better, I suggest you start with the link I provided.

Or not. I have no problem with you believing that a change of network card has caused your Squeezeboxes to sound better. My problem is with you recommending that others follow your lead for a "cheapish upgrade to your system to improve your sound quality". There is absolutely no reason to expect a change from 2.4G to 5G on any component in your network will give the results you claim.

Mnyb
2017-08-07, 12:53
On the original topic .

30-50% wifi strength is not good enough it's till marginal close to 100% is reliable .

LMS does not measure this in a good way I would say 50% is not good .

Bite the bullet and pull some Ethernet wires through the house .

On that other topic, no network topology does not make any difference on a squeezebox as long as the player buffer is full .

http://archimago.blogspot.se/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html

Archie made some measurements using my old server , when it worked transfer music from Sweden to Canada to his Transporter did not cause any problem that's just how it works .

Recoveryone
2017-08-08, 20:01
I can't argue with the test results, but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal strength for all my Touches in the house (all are connected at 80% or higher since the change). All I know its sounding better and that was the only change made to the system.

alfista
2017-08-08, 21:09
but I guess bumping up to 5G allowed less traffic and better signal strength for all my Touches in the house
That's not how WiFi works, moving the server to 5 GHz will not affect the signal strength to your Touches in any way.
Your Touches clearly had sufficient connection (signal level and data rate) before the changes you made, otherwise they would have been pretty much unusable with music cutting out at irregular intervals. Any improvement over a level that is "good enough" will make the connection more robust, but it will not make any change to what the Touch receives and hence no change to its output.

toby10
2017-08-09, 03:21
Imagine the sound improvement if he had USB speakers on his computer and went from USB 1 to USB 3. ;)

Recoveryone
2017-08-10, 19:13
Imagine the sound improvement if he had USB speakers on his computer and went from USB 1 to USB 3. ;)

Imagine what your life would be if you actually did something worth while :)

Julf
2017-08-15, 08:49
Imagine what your life would be if you actually did something worth while :)

Well, toby10's suggestion makes more sense than your 5G one...

Recoveryone
2017-08-18, 11:56
Well, toby10's suggestion makes more sense than your 5G one...

The point is this, I made no comment about anyone's personal level or ability, I even conceded my point with the test results presented by Mnyb. So to make a comment about someone on a personal level (and that was the context of his remark) I returned one in kind. You sound like someone trying to defend Trump, none of my comments were personal in nature, until one was directed at me. In all, if comments remain on topic and not trying to belittle others then flame wars will not cloud the issue at hand.

Julf
2017-08-18, 13:18
The point is this, I made no comment about anyone's personal level or ability, I even conceded my point with the test results presented by Mnyb. So to make a comment about someone on a personal level (and that was the context of his remark) I returned one in kind. You sound like someone trying to defend Trump, none of my comments were personal in nature, until one was directed at me. In all, if comments remain on topic and not trying to belittle others then flame wars will not cloud the issue at hand.

Eh? I pointed out that toby10's suggestion, taken at face value, would probably make more of a difference to sound quality than your suggestion. I really fail to see how that could be seen as defending Trump, unless you were projecting and actually subscribing to the whole "fake news" way of rejecting facts.