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crooner
2007-10-17, 21:30
Saw the Logitech branded SB3 at my local Fry's today. Price was still $299, despite being assembled totally in China. The box was pretty slick, and visually appealing.

It was sitting right next to the Roku Soundbridge and the Roku radio.

My prediction was a cheaper SB for the retail outlets. It seems Logitech is confident they will sell at $299.

With the word of mouth recommendations its been getting for the past couple of years (I've just told a friend of mine), they'll probably sell a bunch of 'em!

freelunch
2007-10-19, 10:02
On 10/18/07, crooner
<crooner.2ymtsb1192682101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Saw the Logitech branded SB3 at my local Fry's today. Price was still
> $299, despite being assembled totally in China.

Any chance of getting an SB3 hand-soldered by the original slimp3 team?

Please? ;-)

I still have my original open back slimp3...


FL

Phil Leigh
2007-10-19, 10:28
On 10/18/07, crooner
<crooner.2ymtsb1192682101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Saw the Logitech branded SB3 at my local Fry's today. Price was still
> $299, despite being assembled totally in China.

Any chance of getting an SB3 hand-soldered by the original slimp3 team?

Please? ;-)

I still have my original open back slimp3...


FL

I'd rather have a machine (flow) soldered device than a hand-soldered one any day of the week!

peejay
2007-10-19, 16:13
On 10/18/07, crooner
<crooner.2ymtsb1192682101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Saw the Logitech branded SB3 at my local Fry's today. Price was still
> $299, despite being assembled totally in China.

Any chance of getting an SB3 hand-soldered by the original slimp3 team?

Please? ;-)

I still have my original open back slimp3...


FL
I'm sure the sentiment here is to have something hand-built with the enthusiasm of a young team excited by their invention. How much more satisfying is the purchase when something is hand-crafted, rather than being manufactured on an assembly line by uncaring underpaid workers, or worse being robotically assembled....this is ceratinly the reality, however.
The squeezebox just hit a couple of computer distributors in OZ, with a noticeable price drop, and propped on a shelf alongside the ipods and zunes...

gusi
2007-10-19, 21:50
Yes It was nice to see imported goods reflecting the the exchange rate. Hopefully sales in Aus will go up.

jmourik
2007-11-16, 14:38
It was sitting right next to the Roku Soundbridge and the Roku radio.
Yeah, I guess I haven't been at Fry's for a while, but today I noticed it for the first time, cool! Except the Roku Soundbridge is $129.99. So why again would the occasional Xmas shopper spend $170 more on the SB3?

jan

CatBus
2007-11-16, 14:43
Yeah, I guess I haven't been at Fry's for a while, but today I noticed it for the first time, cool! Except the Roku Soundbridge is $129.99. So why again would the occasional Xmas shopper spend $170 more on the SB3?

jan

...if they had considered the two products and determined that the Squeezebox was >=$170 better than the Soundbridge? The same reason anyone ever bought a Squeezebox, at Fry's or anywhere else?

jmourik
2007-11-16, 15:06
...if they had considered the two products and determined that the Squeezebox was >=$170 better than the Soundbridge? The same reason anyone ever bought a Squeezebox, at Fry's or anywhere else?
Thanks for rephrasing my questions :-)
Really, I'm wondering... Why is the SB3 more than twice as expensive? Because the dac is better? What if I have an outboard dac, or use the digital out?
Because SB3 works flawlessly with Slimserver? But what about Roku's support of wmp and iTunes? Must be a few people out there using iTunes who'd like a cheap player for the house?
What else? I'm looking for an additional player for my bedroom, so I guess I should find some answers. Maybe I can get away with a Roku and save $170...

Or????


Edit: Maybe I found my answer here: http://pages.citebite.com/l4j5d7eggro ( http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/507roku/index1.html ) But, I don't mind spending extra money to get better quality music. But I don't think I represent the mainstream Fry's shopper...

radish
2007-11-16, 15:25
This has been discussed quite a bit, but in summary (SB3 vs M1001):

Yes, the DAC is much better quality in the SB3. It also doesn't resample everything to 48kHz like the Roku.
Roku screen is 280x16, SB3 is 320x32.
Roku RAM is 16mb, SB3 is 64MB (more memory == less skipping)
Roku only does 802.11b, SB3 does b/g.
SB3 can act as a wireless bridge, Roku can't.
Roku THD: -90dB, SB3: -93.5dB
Roku SNR: >96dB, SB3: >100dB
I don't think Roku players can be sync'd.
Roku supports Slimserver very poorly, otherwise you're stuck with WMC which is MUCH less useful. For me, slimserver is key.

mvalera
2007-11-16, 16:27
I posted links to some tests before... you can search for them under my posts. The roku doesn't come near their claimed specs in the test. We on the other hand do.

Mike

seanadams
2007-11-16, 16:44
Too bad there isn't a numerical spec for usability.

snarlydwarf
2007-11-16, 16:49
Too bad there isn't a numerical spec for usability.

1) Remove TV/etc from listening area.
2) Determine mass of listener
3) Measure butt imprint on the couch.
4) After various intervals, re-measure butt imprint.

The deepest butt imprint wins.

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-18, 12:24
Yeah, I guess I haven't been at Fry's for a while, but today I noticed it for the first time, cool! Except the Roku Soundbridge is $129.99. So why again would the occasional Xmas shopper spend $170 more on the SB3?

Maybe because it's better?

I've never been to Fry's, and there are none here, so I never will, but say they sell speakers. (They probably don't, IIRC they sell computer equipment). Say there are $15 "white box" speakers and $300 JBL speakers. Why would anyone buy the JBLs over the $15 no-name ones? Why would anyone spend $285 more for something that does the 'same' thing?

Maybe because they're better...

jmourik
2007-11-18, 22:15
Maybe because they're better...
Don't think the "better" argument works, remember vhs vs. betamax? And >>I<< know SB is better than Roku, but that's because I'm into this stuff. iPods aren't the best in sound quality, but they're number one anyway!
I'm just afraid people who are not into all this as much as most people here on the boards, won't know or appreciate the differences between the SB and the Roku. And then opt for that way cheaper Roku (and the thing doesn't look bad anyway).
So my suggestion is to bring out a Sb4 that's up a notch from the sb3, for say $400. Then Sell the Sb3 for $200 :-)

jan

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-18, 22:43
Actually most of the comments from the general public seem to bypass even the Roku...

"Why doesn't it play video?"

No one seems interested in audio-only devices.

haunyack
2007-11-18, 23:05
No one seems interested in audio-only devices.

Present company excluded of course.

Let the others have their one box solution, network
tv, ipod, Roku, frozen food, etc.
Like sheep led to the slaughter, qu'ils mangent de la brioche.

.

iPhone
2007-11-18, 23:24
Don't think the "better" argument works, remember vhs vs. betamax? And >>I<< know SB is better than Roku, but that's because I'm into this stuff. iPods aren't the best in sound quality, but they're number one anyway!
I'm just afraid people who are not into all this as much as most people here on the boards, won't know or appreciate the differences between the SB and the Roku. And then opt for that way cheaper Roku (and the thing doesn't look bad anyway).
So my suggestion is to bring out a Sb4 that's up a notch from the sb3, for say $400. Then Sell the Sb3 for $200 :-)

jan

Better vs. Cheaper is not what killed BetaMax. What killed BetaMax was they did not believe in a place called Blockbuster or all the "Adult" titles that were put on VHS. If one wanted to go in the back room or behind the curtain for the "special" movies, one had to own a VHS. Porno killed BetaMax!

People that want to play MP4s and also donít think there is any difference in an MP3 played on an iPod or their home stereo ARE going to buy the cheapest player they can, period. At this time that is ROKU and as they keep losing market share they will keep dropping their price. Kia is a car as is Hyundai. You do not see BMW, Audi, and Porsche making crap just to compete price wise because they sell cars also.

Logitech is doing the right thing. They are setting the standard and bringing the market to them. The word is out and once anybody you talk to about it can buy SB3 at any big box store, lookout. We had a few friends over for dinner last night and I had a background music playlist running before, during, and after dinner. While we were having our after dinners drinks in the living room, somebody asked if I burned a bunch of MP3s to play all night. I said no the CD palyer is not even on and ask who their favorite Artist was. They said Van Morrison and I asked what song. I played it in seconds and they asked if I could make it play all Van Morrison songs, which I did. Anyway, two of the couples we had over want my help setting up Squeezebox networks in their homes before Thanksgiving.

y360
2007-11-19, 01:44
Anyway, two of the couples we had over want my help setting up Squeezebox networks in their homes before Thanksgiving.

And that's just why it might not fly with general public. Non-technical folks need outside help to set it up and maintain it.

sd2100
2007-11-19, 02:18
And that's just why it might not fly with general public. Non-technical folks need outside help to set it up and maintain it.

I agree.
The simple solution to this "problem" is to sell a SD NAS with Slimserver preinstalled. Connect this box to your router and then simply copy/paste the music from the pc to the NAS.
There are allready som companies who sell NAS with Slimserver (ripcaster.co.uk, hifi-hammeren.dk, etc.), but a dedicated Slimserver NAS from SD with full support would make it even more easy.

iPhone
2007-11-19, 14:09
And that's just why it might not fly with general public. Non-technical folks need outside help to set it up and maintain it.

And that is what we that understand are for if we can help. When Peggy switched from dial-up to DSL, I had to go over and hook it up. A wireless network with a router is way over her head if she can't even do a DSL connection. Her husband is a 58-year-old Lawyer so he hasn't got a clue (IT handles any PC issues that come up for him). They want a few Squeezeboxes and I can help make it happen. Plus there is an added bonus, they will not get frustrated, have to call tech support, then not understand them because they don't have a clue.

iPhone
2007-11-19, 14:14
I agree.
The simple solution to this "problem" is to sell a SD NAS with Slimserver preinstalled. Connect this box to your router and then simply copy/paste the music from the pc to the NAS.
There are allready som companies who sell NAS with Slimserver (ripcaster.co.uk, hifi-hammeren.dk, etc.), but a dedicated Slimserver NAS from SD with full support would make it even more easy.

Really nice idea and SD used to sell a ReadyNAS NV+ bundled with two SB3. I do not know if one could call for help from SD Tech Support, but that would be nice. Only real issue I see with this route is that the technology and drives are getting cheaper all the time and people are going to say, "Why do I need another computer, I already have one". Then there is the cost, it pushes it above the Sonos.

James_B
2007-11-20, 03:42
And that's just why it might not fly with general public. Non-technical folks need outside help to set it up and maintain it.

I agree - I suspect SB is a product just too clever for the high street. Try describing what it does beyond stream music to someone who only owns an ipod. Squeeze Center / Squeeze Network sound like cultish gibberish to the average unconverted heathen. At least until they see what they can do with them.

But a NAS option like with the Sonos would be great. Of course I cannot appreciate how incredibly complicated that would be to implement!

Mark Lanctot
2007-11-20, 07:02
Only real issue I see with this route is that the technology and drives are getting cheaper all the time and people are going to say, "Why do I need another computer, I already have one". Then there is the cost, it pushes it above the Sonos.

But surely such people do have a computer, and SS/SC works perfectly well on a regular desktop computer - in fact it's usually severe overkill.

I've always used SS on my regular workaday desktop, never a problem even with all the other programs, firewalls, etc.