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dean
2004-01-13, 09:24
Hi All,

One thing that might have gotten lost in the MacWorld noise is that
we're now offering a wired-only version of Squeezebox, at a price of
$249.

Except for the lack of built-in wireless support, it's identical to the
original Squeezebox, and so if you aren't going to use the wireless
interface, you can save a few bucks.

You can order it on the website now, but the marketing stuff still has
to be updated.

-dean

Ron Thigpen
2004-01-13, 09:50
dean blackketter wrote:

> [...] if you aren't going to use the wireless interface, you can save
> a few bucks.


or if you'd like to use something like this:
<http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=241> to keep your wireless net all
802.11g.

nice!

--rt

andreas
2004-01-13, 10:05
Hey Dean,

dean blackketter wrote:
> Except for the lack of built-in wireless support, it's identical to the
> original Squeezebox, and so if you aren't going to use the wireless
> interface, you can save a few bucks.

And if I'd someday find out that Wireless really was the way to go...
Can I buy an upgrade to wireless from you guys, or do you have a list
of compatible cards that work with the little Squeeezie or something?

rgds
/andreas

seanadams
2004-01-13, 10:25
On Jan 13, 2004, at 9:05 AM, andreas wrote:

> Hey Dean,
>
> dean blackketter wrote:
>> Except for the lack of built-in wireless support, it's identical to
>> the original Squeezebox, and so if you aren't going to use the
>> wireless interface, you can save a few bucks.
>
> And if I'd someday find out that Wireless really was the way to go...
> Can I buy an upgrade to wireless from you guys, or do you have a list
> of compatible cards that work with the little Squeeezie or something?
>

The wired model doesn't have the PCMCIA connector and SMA
connector/pigtail. Take a look at these photos:

http://www.slimdevices.com/images/inside_squeezebox/

Now really all you'd need is the PCMCIA connector and you could install
a standard Intersil wireless card and it would work (we put the exact
same firmware on both models - it auto-detects the card). But the
PCMCIA connectors are hard to find, the SMA pigtail is a fully custom
part, and there are different versions of the prism firmware, not all
of which work well - so we honestly just don't want to support this as
an upgrade path. Besides, it costs about the same or a little more to
buy this stuff separately, so there's not much point. If you think you
might want the wireless later, get the wireless model since it has
ethernet as well.

jacobdp
2004-01-13, 14:25
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:25:41 -0800, you wrote:
>same firmware on both models - it auto-detects the card). But the
>PCMCIA connectors are hard to find, the SMA pigtail is a fully custom
>part, and there are different versions of the prism firmware, not all
>of which work well - so we honestly just don't want to support this as
>an upgrade path.

Is there any possibility of a "requires soldering" upgrade kit, with
the connector, card, pigtail, and antenna?

- Jacob

--
"Terminak #3 has bad keyboard. Pkease fix."

dean
2004-01-13, 17:12
Probably not. The boards come from the factory with the unused holes
filled with solder. Plus, the cost of the upgrade would be
significantly more than the difference.

Remember, the wireless version has an ethernet port as well, so if you
think you might need wireless in the future, better to spend a little
extra and get the wireless version.

-dean

On Jan 13, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Jacob Potter wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:25:41 -0800, you wrote:
>> same firmware on both models - it auto-detects the card). But the
>> PCMCIA connectors are hard to find, the SMA pigtail is a fully custom
>> part, and there are different versions of the prism firmware, not all
>> of which work well - so we honestly just don't want to support this as
>> an upgrade path.
>
> Is there any possibility of a "requires soldering" upgrade kit, with
> the connector, card, pigtail, and antenna?
>
> - Jacob
>
> --
> "Terminak #3 has bad keyboard. Pkease fix."
>
>
>

Jack Coates
2004-01-13, 17:18
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 16:12, dean blackketter wrote:
> Probably not. The boards come from the factory with the unused holes
> filled with solder. Plus, the cost of the upgrade would be
> significantly more than the difference.

Dremel

Duct tape

Profit!

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Roy M. Silvernail
2004-01-13, 17:57
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 19:12, dean blackketter wrote:
> Probably not. The boards come from the factory with the unused holes
> filled with solder. Plus, the cost of the upgrade would be
> significantly more than the difference.

Have your assembly house cover the PCMCIA hole pattern with Kapton tape
before they wave-solder the boards to keep them open. They probably
already do that with the geek connector. The cost difference is
immaterial. We don't do stuff because it's cheaper. We do it to make
the guy next door go "What th...??" :->
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Enno Davids
2004-01-13, 20:46
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:08:13PM -0700, Jason wrote:
|Yea but now they have to inventory two separate models. It also means all
|the slimp3 units they still have from their last production run are
|worthless.
|
|Doesn't seem like good business sense just to make a few folks who don't
|want to spend the extra $60 happy.

I was going to respond with a comment to the effect that I'd sooner buy
a slim than a wired squeeze (mostly as the form factor fits some of the
things I intend to do better...), but before offering that as an opinion
thought I'd ask if there are reasons for or against either unit from the
engineering or more general perspective? (e.g. is the slim now made of EOL
components or some such, does slimdevices intend to stop making it, etc?)


Just wondering...


E.


....and if they do stop making the slim are they changing their name to
squeezedevices.com? (Sounds like a porno-spammer.) Sorry, couldn't resist! :)

Jack Coates
2004-01-13, 21:05
On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 19:46, Enno Davids wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:08:13PM -0700, Jason wrote:
> |Yea but now they have to inventory two separate models. It also means all
> |the slimp3 units they still have from their last production run are
> |worthless.
> |
> |Doesn't seem like good business sense just to make a few folks who don't
> |want to spend the extra $60 happy.
>
> I was going to respond with a comment to the effect that I'd sooner buy
> a slim than a wired squeeze (mostly as the form factor fits some of the
> things I intend to do better...), but before offering that as an opinion
> thought I'd ask if there are reasons for or against either unit from the
> engineering or more general perspective? (e.g. is the slim now made of EOL
> components or some such, does slimdevices intend to stop making it, etc?)

They're stopping production because it's a worse DAC, hasn't got digital
outs, and has less RAM. Probably some other reasons too.

>
> ...and if they do stop making the slim are they changing their name to
> squeezedevices.com? (Sounds like a porno-spammer.) Sorry, couldn't resist! :)
>

lemonjuice.com? seansbigthang.com?
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