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forddonald
2007-07-05, 13:26
I wish I could buy a Squeezebox Boombox.

It would have the functionality of a SB3, it's familiar UI, but with built-in speakers. I would want to join any available WiFi network I'd happen to be around (including an open, free one automatically). I would also want to program in my home SlimServer as an option, using a FQDN (fully qualified domain name, like "myServer.myISP.net.").

My mental vision conjures up a SB3, extended horizontally with enough room for one of those very nice little Harmon Kardon silver dome drivers on each side (the ones like in Macs, or the SoundSticks). Perhaps there's be a third, larger one in back for some bass reinforcement.

The remote could be credit card sized, with support for the standard one should I point one at it. The loudness of the speakers would be tied to the volume control on the remote. There could be a carrying pouch, for easy storage and transport, making this a portable SB that could leave the house with me. I suppose it could be battery powered, but there's lots of AC around.

I would expect to pay a small premium over the original SB, say +$100.

(Sorry if this has been posted before; I searched for something similar and found nothing.)

web161
2007-07-05, 14:50
I agree wholeheartedly. I hope the folks at Slim...er Logitech have put this one on the list. I'd buy two the minute they were announced. In fact, the lack of an "all in one" player is what keeps me from recommending SB to the less technically savvy crowd (read: Parents).

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tyler_durden
2007-07-05, 15:24
Where would you use such a portable device? You can't use it at public locations where there is accessible wi-fi because no one will want to hear your idea of music blasting from the thing. If you think about it, there are very few places that have both accessible wi-fi AND "privacy" to let you play via speakers. Most offices aren't going to allow it, unless at such a low volume level others can't hear it, in which case you may as well use headphones.

Sure it would be easy for old folks, but the difficulty in SB stuff isn't in connecting to an existing boom-box or stereo, it's setting up wi-fi and ripping CDs. If the oldsters are savvy enough to set up wi-fi they can handle connecting a normal, small SB to an existing audio system or one purchased specifically for the purpose (with the buyer's choice of amp and speakers).

There are a lot of amp/speaker systems sold for pod people. Where do they use them? I've never seen one anywhere except on the web pages and in stores that sell them. I suppose they mostly use them at home where no one will complain about their music. Those people don't need wi-fi and they can't find anywhere to play speakers....imagine how many fewer places there are for SB people who require wi-fi to play their stuff on speakers.

I think the SB is targeted at a more audio quality discriminating market than most boom boxes. Any system linked to music via wi-fi just isn't a portable system.

If you want portability you can use a wi-fi enabled pocket PC and run softsqueeze (will it run on a pocket PC?) then plug in your headphones.

TD

MeSue
2007-07-05, 19:32
Couple of old discussions on it...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23960

mvalera
2007-07-05, 22:59
I'd buy more than 2... gifts!

BTW Tyler... the market for dedicated ipod speakers dwarfs the wireless digital music streaming server/player (insert your favorite acronym here) market.

Trust me, a LOT of people buy them.

Mike

Paul Webster
2007-07-06, 00:17
I'd buy more than 2... gifts!

BTW Tyler... the market for dedicated ipod speakers dwarfs the wireless digital music streaming server/player (insert your favorite acronym here) market.

Trust me, a LOT of people buy them.

Mike
I don't think that there is a doubt that they are sold - the question was more about 'where are they used?'
If they are used at home in the kids' bedrooms - then would a Squeeebox Boombox be a better solution?
If they are used while away on holiday - then ... would there be available internet connection at a reasonable rate?

My brother bought the Roku Soundbridge Radio - but has been slightly disappointed. He uses it as a bedside radio but reckons that it needs more presets, more commonality between functionality on the remote and the device (can't always find and operate the remote in the dark) and a few other bits and pieces that I can't remember.

mvalera
2007-07-06, 00:30
Where do they use them:

Kitchens
Bedrooms
Offices (at home and work)
Living Rooms (yes this is because they, gasp... don't own a stereo)
In the garage (I work on my car)
On the patio/porch/pool/deck
On the road (hotel)

Basically anywhere they don't have a real stereo setup.

I live in the Bay Area, and every time I go to a party here I see them. I was just at a BBQ in SF last weekend with an iPod and (coincidentally) Logitech mm28 iPod speakers.

Mike

Paul Webster
2007-07-06, 00:43
I would have bought a boombox had one been available at a reasonable rate - in fact ... if the Roku Soundbridge Radio had been available closer to its originally announced delivery date, I would have bought it rather than my 2nd Squeezebox.

FYI - I have never seen a set of iPod speakers in use, except in shops. That may well be that the other houses that we visit all have hifi's - but I have never seen one in a kitchen or office.
I don't doubt that there are millions of them sold and lots of them in use.

Hopefully someone somewhere has done some good market research - given that this is an established market (iPod add-ons) to see if a Squeezebox-style device could sell into that sort of user base.

I'm going to nip back over to the other Boombox threads to re-read what people said there as it is a while since I read them.

JJZolx
2007-07-06, 01:01
I don't think that there is a doubt that they are sold - the question was more about 'where are they used?'
If they are used at home in the kids' bedrooms - then would a Squeeebox Boombox be a better solution?
If they are used while away on holiday - then ... would there be available internet connection at a reasonable rate?

I see people, not just kids and teenagers - people in their twenties, early thirties for whom _every_ song they own is on their iPod. So why would any kid want to fart around with a Squeezebox in their bedroom when they can just dial up tunes on their iPods?

It's funny that iPod speakers were brought up because it's very much the opposite of the concept of a Squeezebox boombox. iPod speaker systems let you easily take a portable music source and play it through a sound system that's fixed in place. A Squeezebox boombox would let you take a very stationary music source (server & network) and permit you to move the playback system around the house.

msherman
2007-07-06, 06:54
mvalera wrote:
>
> Basically anywhere they don't have a real stereo setup.
>
> I live in SF, and every time I go to a party here I see them. I was
> just at a BBQ last weekend with an iPod and (coincidentally) Logitech
> mm28 iPod speakers.

I would definitely buy an SB Boombox. I threw my first big family bbq on
my new deck last weekend, and you would not believe the "nice wireless
music player!" mockery I got from my family while I was climbing up the
retaining wall in my yard to hook up all the wires: two power plugs (sb
and powered speakers), two rca, and two satellites to the sub/amp unit.
And then twenty minutes later I had to do it all over again, because the
first place I hooked it up was just a bit too far away from the router
to keep the buffers full.

- Marc

forddonald
2007-07-06, 07:12
Indeed, there have been discussions on this before, and using the exact same title as the one I chose. Blast my 3rd grade searching skills!

Tyler brings up an important clarification I need to make regarding where I'd want to use a Squeezebox Boombox. The key differentiation is Trusted vs Untrusted networks. In my original post I munged them together, so I'll spend a minute here on that.

Using a trusted network is today's model for SS/SB. The SB assumes it's on a trusted network (where all devices on the LAN are known and believed secure) such that it can broadcast for the SlimServer and it's IP and port are easily found. A SB Boombox would, obviously, work quite well in this environment as I would see it drawn from the existing SB firmware.

The difference here is untrusted networks. This is the idea of using a Squeezebox on a LAN (wireless or no) where the topology is unknown, other devices are unknown, can not be assumed secure, and where the SlimServer may not be (probably won't be) on the same LAN segment. Thus, SB BB needs to be robust enough to persistently look to join the network and find it's 'home' SlimServer. That's why I'd want FQDN referencing for the SS.

Here's a usage scenario that illustrates this concept:

My good friend is also a SS/SB user, and he lives a few blocks away. We're over to his house frequently to swim or smoke or shoot the breeze. Using his SB on the patio is an exercise in frustration as we have to drag out a pair of powered speakers, string extension cords around, jack stuff in and get back on the network. I works, but it's a task.

Say I have a Squeezebox Boombox but he doesn't. I just bring it over, jump on his wLAN and we're done. He doesn't have to leave out, and protect from the rain, an audio rig anymore. I can find his SS and mine both.

Another scenario:

We've traveled to my Mom's house over a holiday weekend, where she has broadband but no SS/SB. With my SB BB I join her wLAN and I'm in to my SS with instant tunes (my familiar catalog, but new to her) on her deck with one power cable connection.

And a third:

I'm tailgating at Starbucks with a group of friends on a warm Saturday evening, and I want to play for them the new Chris Isaak album I just added earlier that day. A whip out my SB BB, join the wLAN (using my T-Mobile account, which I might have from a cellular account, or maybe I bought a day pass), and we're off.

This is really the problem with iPod ext. speaker discussion. This approach is *still two boxes acting as one*. You have to do this with iPod b/c the very portable nature of the iPod precludes any speaker output (the dock makes it easy, but still). The SB BB would specifically marry these two into one unit.

iPods on speaker decks is a static approach. LANs are everywhere, and the Squeezebox makes music access and playback *live* and exciting!

mherger
2007-07-06, 07:31
> The difference here is untrusted networks.

Besides the FQDN issue there's another one: security of _your_ network. If
you make SlimServer available on a public IP address, SlimServer will be
exposed to the world. But security is none of the design goals (afaik).
You'd therefore have to integrate a VPN or SSH client in your boombox. I
don't know whether this is feasible (processing power, memory etc.)

Michael

forddonald
2007-07-06, 07:53
>Besides the FQDN issue there's another one: security of _your_ network. If
you make SlimServer available on a public IP address, SlimServer will be
exposed to the world.

Well, no, I disagree that this is inherently insecure. SS is password protect-able, and the firewall pinhole required points only at the SS and only at the port it uses. This is less secure than no pinholes at all, but certainly more secure than having a machine in the DMZ.

I run this config today, and access my SS from a laptop remotely with no issues.

mvalera
2007-07-06, 08:21
Why not just use Squeezenetwork when outside your own home's network?

Is a MP3tunes music locker not a viable option?

Mike

maggior
2007-07-06, 08:26
Where do they use them:

Kitchens
Bedrooms
Offices (at home and work)
Living Rooms (yes this is because they, gasp... don't own a stereo)
In the garage (I work on my car)
On the patio/porch/pool/deck
On the road (hotel)

Basically anywhere they don't have a real stereo setup.

Mike

I own 2 squeezeboxes and there are 2 iPods in the house - mine and my wife's. We have a Klipsch iGroove (iPod speaker system) in the kitchen.

Would I prefer a Squeezebox setup in the kitchen? Sure, but it's cost prohibitive and it would take up too much space. Would I use a hypothetical squeezeboombox? Probably not. I spent a good month researching and testing different iPod speaker solutions - I'm picky. With the boombox, I would have no choices. Since squeezebox doesn't have the ecosystem that iPod has, it's safe to say that there would be at most 2 choices.

What about a squeezebox that is the size of an iPod with an iPod dock connector? Then all of a sudden you are compatable with a huge selection of accessories. But I'll bet that Apple has a patent on the dock connector.

forddonald
2007-07-06, 08:45
Is a MP3tunes music locker not a viable option?

Yes, exactly. Don't you think a Squeezebox Boombox would be the ideal product to unlock the potential of the music locker?

Accessing my SS directly is free, where music locker isn't, but that does address Mherger's concerns about network security.

nicketynick
2007-07-06, 09:28
Why not just use Squeezenetwork when outside your own home's network?

Is a MP3tunes music locker not a viable option?

Mike

Hmmm, that's a rather 'leading' suggestion.... I wonder what Mike knows, that he's not allowed to say......

mvalera
2007-07-06, 10:04
Nothing leading about it... SqueezeNetwork and MP3tunes works right now with our current products. :P

To me it's the perfect solution for having your entire music collection available to you from anywhere via the internets. Just add Squeezebox and speakers.

Paul Webster
2007-07-06, 10:11
re MP3Tunes
http://www.mp3tunes.com/cb/squeezenetwork/

nicketynick
2007-07-06, 11:58
Nothing leading about it... SqueezeNetwork and MP3tunes works right now with our current products. :P

To me it's the perfect solution for having your entire music collection available to you from anywhere via the internets. Just add Squeezebox and speakers.

Well, yeah, but its not practical to carry around my Squeezebox and speakers........ yet! Ooooh, I feel an evil laugh coming on......mwaahahahaha!

autopilot
2007-07-06, 15:37
I might buy one, many of the uber SB fans around here would too.

But would jo public buy them in any significant quantities? No way.

What's the point in it really? think about it, you might as well have a cheap HDD in it (it's not like you will need a lossless format for such as device). That saves a whole load of pain for people. WiFi causes enough grief for us geeks at times, let alone the other 99% of the general public. HDD drives are less trouble for the manufacturer too, there would be much less user support needed.

And what about the places it won't work, like the beach or when camping? You might as well take a house brick.

If you need get your music outside in the garden, why not just get a boombox with AUX in, or active speakers, and take the SB3 out too?

There is no serious market for this device, even if it sounds like an amazing idea to us. Adding wifi and streaming to a HDD based portable player would be good for internet radio etc and shift a few more units, but streaming only is a very nice but completely flawed concept. It fails in both user friendliness and flexibility.

Something like the Soundbridge radio is ok for around the house, but the price has to be absolutely spot on.

fairyliquidizer
2007-07-07, 08:20
I would like one that could be used... in my back garden, as an alarm clock, as a kitchen music player, of all of these the back garden thing is the one that would be most useful at the moment, If the rain ever stops! Although the alarm clock idea appeals!

I never have problems with my Wifi or it's coverage.

funkstar
2007-07-07, 08:49
There is no serious market for this device, even if it sounds like an amazing idea to us. Adding wifi and streaming to a HDD based portable player would be good for internet radio etc and shift a few more units, but streaming only is a very nice but completely flawed concept. It fails in both user friendliness and flexibility.
Well ASUSTeK thinks there is a market for a wireless internet radio.

http://www.hexus.tv/show.php?show=105 - Forward onto about 5:00 :)

A squeezebox Boombox is effectively the same as those wifi radios shown (5:42) with the added advantage of being abe to access your own music either directly from your own SlimServer or through MP3tunes and SqueezeNetwork :)

Paul Webster
2007-07-07, 11:48
Regarding available market, as I mentioned over in the other thread ... , Reciva reckoned that by February 2007 there had been over 50,000 units shipped based on their internet radio design (which includes UPnP client and SMB client).

autopilot
2007-07-08, 04:42
Well ASUSTeK thinks there is a market for a wireless internet radio.

http://www.hexus.tv/show.php?show=105 - Forward onto about 5:00 :)

A squeezebox Boombox is effectively the same as those wifi radios shown (5:42) with the added advantage of being abe to access your own music either directly from your own SlimServer or through MP3tunes and SqueezeNetwork :)

Hello mate,

Yeah i agree there is a market for the radio type devices maybe, but the 'boombox' idea i dont. Like someone else has said, you could not use them in public. Small devices, with a HDD + Streaming would sell more.

Pale Blue Ego
2007-07-08, 06:36
I have used my SB outside, with a long extension cord, homeplug networking, and active speakers.

I thought about incorporating everything into a wooden case on big casters with a retractable 50' cord. Something like a pro audio rolling rack. Not quite a boombox, but useful on the deck or in the garden.

funkstar
2007-07-08, 08:44
Hello mate,

Yeah i agree there is a market for the radio type devices maybe, but the 'boombox' idea i dont. Like someone else has said, you could not use them in public. Small devices, with a HDD + Streaming would sell more.
I think people constantly refer to a Squeezebox Boombox just because of the name. I haven't owned a 'boombox' since i was about 12 :)

Basically, it's an all in one portable device that uses Slimserver and SqueezeNetwork that is being requested. And styled like a conventional radio would work a treat.

I did considder modding a Roberts radio to include a SB at one point, but i don't have the time :)

Mark Lanctot
2007-07-10, 13:18
Well, regarding using such a thing in public, I wouldn't, but there are lots of (annoying!) people who do - at the beach, camping, in their front (not back) yards, and once even at the grocery store! Couldn't figure that one out.

Would I buy one? Maybe not, but I could really see where they could be useful.

Seen all the threads about self-powered speakers lately? Bet you could sell an SB boombox (can we call it the SBBB?) to them...it would save money over the SB3 + powered speaker bundle I'd bet.

Do away with the digital and analog outs. If you need such a thing, get a Squeezebox. Keep the headphone output though, but use a muting circuit when plugged in. Use a Tripath-based chip amp for low power consumption, low cost, good sound quality and the coolness factor. Use drivers specially-matched to the amp chip, surely Logitech's computer speaker division can source or manufacture something appropriate.

Sound quality isn't key here, but the sound quality should be decent with a Tripath or other digital amp and well-matched drivers. Perhaps add AM/FM radio? Power it by "C" cells, although one must ask how long they'd last given the Wi-Fi power demand - maybe a lithium ion rechargeable battery might be better, and it'd be a good selling feature.

Robin Bowes
2007-07-10, 17:09
Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Power it by "C" cells, although one must ask how long
> they'd last given the Wi-Fi power demand - maybe a lithium ion permanent
> battery might be better, and it'd be a good selling feature.

Power should be rechargeable cells - i.e. make sure it works with nx1.2v
as well as nx1.5v

Built-in charging of the rechargeable cells would be a bonus but not
essential.

Something like this, but a Squeezebox would be awesome:

http://www.pure.com/Products/Product.asp?Product=VL-60775

R.

tyler_durden
2007-07-10, 19:38
Here ya go! Someone who does something about the problem:
http://tuner.bdb.fi/supaghettoblaster.php

TD

tyler_durden
2007-07-10, 19:45
I would definitely buy an SB Boombox. I threw my first big family bbq on
my new deck last weekend, and you would not believe the "nice wireless
music player!" mockery I got from my family while I was climbing up the
retaining wall in my yard to hook up all the wires: two power plugs (sb
and powered speakers), two rca, and two satellites to the sub/amp unit.
And then twenty minutes later I had to do it all over again, because the
first place I hooked it up was just a bit too far away from the router
to keep the buffers full.

- Marc

That's not a reason to get a boom box. That's a reason to get another SB that you can set up and leave in place.

TD

dwilliams01
2007-07-12, 21:38
I'd love to have one that was small enough to put into carry-on luggage, etc. Great for hotels, cabins, etc. when travelling. Probably smaller than what a lot of people would think of as a traditional boombox, but still be able to project decent sound. Certainly need to have it easily rechargable. Currently around the house I have a few wireless speakers - the problem with them is that you have no control or display of what is playing.

808
2007-07-13, 09:43
http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/13/freecoms-musicpal-wifi-radio-now-on-pre-order/

Isn't this what you're talking about ?

stinkingpig
2007-07-13, 09:47
I don't see where that device can play streams from Slimserver, aside from stream.mp3, but then you need a laptop to choose music, and you might as well just use Softsqueeze.

If you only want Internet radio, that's fine, but a lot of us prefer our own libraries :)

NWP
2007-07-13, 12:24
Where would you use such a portable device?

Slimserver is wireless. Where wouldn't I use one?!

answer: anywhere my wireless doesn't reach - other than that I'd take it all around my house. Not all of us have the money or the space to put a squeezebox, amplifier and speakers in every room of our homes. I'd like one squeezebox for my main stereo and I'd use a boombox everywhere else. Even in my bedroom... Why should I need an amp with speakers in my bedroom? I'd rather have a completely self-contained solution.

MeSue
2007-07-13, 15:40
Not all of us have the money or the space to put a squeezebox, amplifier and speakers in every room of our homes. I'd like one squeezebox for my main stereo and I'd use a boombox everywhere else. Even in my bedroom... Why should I need an amp with speakers in my bedroom? I'd rather have a completely self-contained solution.

That pretty much sums up my feelings about it too. MY SB is in the bedroom where it sits unused 22 hours of the day. If I had a portable squeezebox I would get a lot more enjoyment out of it... poolside, in the kitchen, etc. In fact, that is what I was looking for originally when I bought the "HomePod" (which turned out to be a piece of junk and led me to the purchase of a SB).

Mike White
2007-07-13, 16:37
I bought - a number of months ago - a setup that allowed me to broadcast my music (via SB2) to a pair of speakers that could be either battery powered or plugged in.

It is not the best thing in the world, but we can put the speakers anywhere, either with or without batteries (we have never used batteries.) Out by the spa is wonderful, especially at night with just the stars out.

I am not happy with the manufacturer because I had a few issues with them, but this is a possibility for others. I would just recommend that they use a different system.

web161
2007-07-13, 19:20
Slimserver is wireless. Where wouldn't I use one?!

answer: anywhere my wireless doesn't reach - other than that I'd take it all around my house. Not all of us have the money or the space to put a squeezebox, amplifier and speakers in every room of our homes. I'd like one squeezebox for my main stereo and I'd use a boombox everywhere else. Even in my bedroom... Why should I need an amp with speakers in my bedroom? I'd rather have a completely self-contained solution.


I couldn't agree more with NWP. Yes, I know Slim is an "audiophile" grade solution. But there are many situations in a home environment where an "All-In-One" solution will get much more use. More use = more enjoyment (and perhaps more sales).

I currently have a "roving" SB3 and it's a pain in the keister. Even with battery powered speakers, I still have two devices (SB3 & speaker unit), dangling wires between them, and the SB wall-wart to deal with. If I didn't like Slim so much I certainly wouldn't bother.

PLEASE give us a portable solution for those situations where we can't sit down in front of the entertainment system.

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