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tyler_durden
2007-06-28, 01:23
So Apple decides to play nice and remove DRM from songs DL'd from iTunes...

But what's this? They embed the purchaser's name and account number in the files! Thanks Apple!

Do you still need another reason to use .flac?

TD

seanadams
2007-06-28, 06:38
Lame as it is, think of it as a "gentleman's agreement". There are utilities that can remove it for you. I don't think it escaped Apple that they could have simply used an opaque number to reference your entry in their customer database, or even put that number in a watermark. Watermarking an AAC file with only 32 bits of data would be quite easy.

azinck3
2007-06-28, 07:14
So Apple decides to play nice and remove DRM from songs DL'd from iTunes...

But what's this? They embed the purchaser's name and account number in the files! Thanks Apple!

Do you still need another reason to use .flac?

TD

I'm no big apple fan, but I don't understand the outrage at this. Strikes me as the least-intrusive form of copy protection possible. It doesn't use technological means to stop copying but instead relies on the purchaser's conscience by taking away the anonymity in making copies. Working within the current system of copyright law this seems to make the most sense to me and is how we enforce rules/law in most other contexts.

byKnight
2007-06-28, 08:45
I think Apple's handling of this is emminently reasonable.

shadowboxer
2007-06-28, 08:52
I think Apple's handling of this is emminently reasonable.

I agree. I have actually for the first time bought a few albums (DRM free, of course) from the itunes store

jacabo
2007-06-28, 08:52
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere -- but what does this change on the part of Apple mean for my existing DRM music and SB3; will Apple and Logitech agree on protocols that will now allow the DRM music to stream to my SB3 so i can enjoy the music I have legally purchased with my preferred music delivery system?

thanks

shadowboxer
2007-06-28, 09:22
Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere -- but what does this change on the part of Apple mean for my existing DRM music and SB3; will Apple and Logitech agree on protocols that will now allow the DRM music to stream to my SB3 so i can enjoy the music I have legally purchased with my preferred music delivery system?

thanks

By my understanding, no, no change. You still cannot play drm protected music directly on SB.

tyler_durden
2007-06-28, 15:58
Reasonable or not, what else are they doing and not telling you about?

TD

pfarrell
2007-06-28, 16:06
tyler_durden wrote:
> Reasonable or not, what else are they doing and not telling you about?

That is the point, one common quick and dirty 'security' trick it so
leave an easy to defeat lock, say keeping userids in clear text.
You have no idea if there is or is not a 64 bit GUID burried in the stream.

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

tyler_durden
2007-06-29, 02:33
Apple gets a bunch of good press that makes them look like nice guys when they announce that you can buy songs without DRM (is the price higher?) all the while they are laughing at the rubes.

In the words of the immortal Tom Waits (or did someone say it before him?), "the large print giveth and the small print taketh away"...

TD

funkstar
2007-06-29, 11:29
(is the price higher?)
Yes. Can't remember the exact values but it is something like 30p/c more without DRM. Although it is higher bitrate too.

Steven Moore
2007-06-30, 06:44
Well as they say, you don't have to buy from them.
Apple is selling DRM and Non-DRMed music.
The music is compressed.
I haven't bought any music from them because it won't work with SB, I may now because some does.
Why do people get upset over nothing?

EnochLight
2007-07-01, 12:18
One word: QTFairUse. I was freed of the DRM infection years ago. That said, the higher bit-rates being offered is a better step than the DRM-free stuff, IMHO. Just wish they would sell all of their stuff in (at least) Apple Lossless. I realize FLAC will never happen, but at least Apple Lossless.

*dreams*

menno
2007-07-02, 08:06
So can you now buy all music Apple Lossless DRM free, and then convert to FLAC?

I dont have iTunes installed so couldnt get any detail on this from the iTunes website.

EnochLight
2007-07-02, 08:32
So can you now buy all music Apple Lossless DRM free, and then convert to FLAC?

I dont have iTunes installed so couldnt get any detail on this from the iTunes website.


No, you cannot purchase iTMS music in Apple Lossles, just their standard .m4p/.m4a AAC format in a slightly higher bit-rate, and that's not their entire library from what I understand. Not yet anyway.

But if they do ever sell their music in Apple Lossless (or if you use this format for some reason), you could transcode to FLAC - or leave it be as the Squeezebox/Transporter will play Apple Losseless fine.

Cheers!