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autopilot
2007-05-27, 01:52
Following on from a conversation in the pub last night, I was just wondering what people around the world thought of the British music scene and industry. What are people loving and hating right now?

We don't have the film industry like US has, but many people here still seem to perceive the UK as a music 'superpower'. Thoughts?

peejay
2007-05-27, 02:10
Following on from a conversation in the pub last night, I was just wondering what people around the world thought of the British music scene and industry. What are people loving and hating right now?

We don't have the film industry like US has, but many people here still seem to perceive the UK as a music 'superpower'. Thoughts?

It depends upon when you mean. Right now? Not sure. But having trumped it with the Beatles - don't like their music but can't ignore the phenomenon - and the likes of the Rolling Stones, Bowie, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Yes, Led Zepplin, The Who, Queen, Genesis, The Cure, Oasis etc etc, not much can't be said for British music. It tends to be more sophisticated than some (ignoring Queen's later work here), and looking at the list of artists above, something of a who's who of Rock & Roll. So if you'd like a pat on the back for that lot, you've got it.

autopilot
2007-05-27, 02:16
Want i meant was, what do people think of the current state of play?

Personally i think most of the UK rock bands are a bit wet.

peejay
2007-05-27, 02:21
Want i meant was, what do people think of the current state of play?

Yes, agree my list was a bit dated, and that may just be the point. Here's what Noel Gallagher thinks.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Noel-Gallagher-Slams-Current-British-Music-10321.shtml
Of course, that was 18 months ago. Things may have changed.

autopilot
2007-05-27, 02:29
Yeah, but Noel Gallagher is almost universally considered a complete tit in the UK these days (although not as bad as his brother). I think there is a bit of sour grapes going on too as not many people are buying there music these days. I'm not saying i agree or disagree with him, but don't take anything he says seriously. They tended to have vendettas with just about every band who sells more records than them. What he says in that thread is thinly veiled modesty, it's like yeah there is no one as good as us but hey ho. But he is kind of right in a lot of respects, im just not sure he completely believes his own words.

amcluesent
2007-05-27, 07:07
>Thoughts?<

Lily Allen is rubbish!

Mark Lanctot
2007-05-27, 07:49
We don't have the film industry like US has, but many people here still seem to perceive the UK as a music 'superpower'.

I would tend to agree, although the state of things at the moment is almost as dismal as the rest of the industry is. However there are a couple of fairly current UK artists I can think of right now who are very, very good IMHO: gorillaz and Groove Armada. I'm sure I'll think of others, but that's two artists more than current American artists I like at the moment. ;-)

Siduhe
2007-05-27, 09:09
Not everyone's cup of tea, but there is some amazing dubstep around right now (difficult to describe - kind of a drum 'n' bass / grime / breaks hybrid).

Check out Burial (no connection).

http://www.last.fm/music/Burial

ModelCitizen
2007-05-27, 10:18
Not everyone's cup of tea, but there is some amazing dubstep around right now (difficult to describe - kind of a drum 'n' bass / grime / breaks hybrid).
Check out Burial (no connection).
http://www.last.fm/music/Burial
Also try Boxcutter, album Oneiric.
Deep, dark, dirty and nasty.
MC

adamslim
2007-05-27, 14:17
Deep, dark, dirty and nasty.

Don't move into a sales career man...

ModelCitizen
2007-05-27, 14:56
Don't move into a sales career man...
Bit late for that.
MC

peejay
2007-05-27, 21:09
I would tend to agree, although the state of things at the moment is almost as dismal as the rest of the industry is. However there are a couple of fairly current UK artists I can think of right now who are very, very good IMHO: gorillaz and Groove Armada. I'm sure I'll think of others, but that's two artists more than current American artists I like at the moment. ;-)

I certainly second the recommendation of Groove Armada.

I also second that Lily Allen is rubbish. :-)

autopilot
2007-05-28, 02:33
Of course, that was 18 months ago. Things may have changed.

Yeah, 18 months ago Coldplay were kings of the hill (Who the Oasis boys hate with a passion and publicly slagged off many times). I respect Coldplay and enjoy some of their stuff, but i would describe it as 'nice' at best (although they were brilliant live). Trouble was that loads of dreary groups tried to follow in their footsteps. There just was not of enough room for so many bands of that genre, and almost all of them were incredibly bland and boring with none of the musical skill of song writing talent that made Coldplay what they are.

Then the whole young male solo singer with a guitar singing love songs while sitting on a stool thing came along. For some strange reason James Blunt managed to crawl his way to the top. Bloody horrible and everytime i hear his horrible songs i want to pull my ears off. Yet somehow he managed to get to #1 is the US charts, whats that all about when so much other good stuff is coming out of the UK? I'm guess the US charts are also based on single sales, and most singles are bought by the young teens. Which is why the UK charts as no real parallel to what's actually happing musically in the UK. I guess it's the same everywhere?

Now it seems you can't go anywhere without hearing the current biggest UK band (biggest UK band in the UK anyway) - The Arctic Monkeys. I'm not a massive fan, but like some of their stuff and well respect them. How are they going down elsewhere? Personally i think they will be another victim of their own success here in the UK, people will get sick of hearing them and they will fade away like Coldplay seem to be at the moment.

As for Lilly Allen, totally agree. Amy Winehouse seeing to be the current top UK female singer right now, much better.

More of an electronica man myself though, thankfully we still produce the best electronica :)

topa
2007-05-28, 04:54
I think beyond Britpop there are many new impulses constantly coming from the UK. Not revolutionary, but nevertheless new. Gnarls Barkley (although not british) shot up the UK charts first for example. British EBTG and Tracey Thorn's new solo Album or MIKA also come from a different angle. (Both the latter tend towards an eighties revival by the way...uhoh!)

If it's in the charts in the UK, it'll pop up somewhere else within 6 months too.

Mark Lanctot
2007-05-28, 05:53
If it's in the charts in the UK, it'll pop up somewhere else within 6 months too.

This brings up another point - the UK seems to lead the way musically. They are quite cutting-edge and avant-garde.

I'm thinking of new musical concepts that have emerged from the UK over the years: metal (Black Sabbath), punk (Sex Pistols), "new wave" (Joy Division, New Order), and, of course, as autopilot mentions, techno (808 State, The Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Fatboy Slim, The Prodigy).

ModelCitizen
2007-05-28, 07:06
This brings up another point - the UK seems to lead the way musically. They are quite cutting-edge and avant-garde.
I'm thinking of new musical concepts that have emerged from the UK over the years: metal (Black Sabbath), punk (Sex Pistols), "new wave" (Joy Division, New Order), and, of course, as autopilot mentions, techno (808 State, The Chemical Brothers, Orbital, Fatboy Slim, The Prodigy).
Strictly speaking punk and techno both started in the States with Richard Hell and The Voidoids and Detroit techno respectively. What the UK bands (and most importantly, the listeners... in numbers) did was pick up on it really quickly and move it to the main(er) stream.
MC

autopilot
2007-05-28, 07:23
Strictly speaking punk and techno both started in the States with Richard Hell and The Voidoids and Detroit techno respectively. What the UK bands (and most importantly, the listeners... in numbers) did was pick up on it really quickly and move it to the main(er) stream.
MC

It's true for lots of types of music. For example Rap music, although people see it as mainly an American thing, actually originated in Italy. Thats were the first examples of people 'talking' rhythmically (usually over guitar music i believe) came from, although a quick look on Wikipedia has no mention of this, but it was very different to what people people think of..

Techno is really a European thing, but yes Detroit is very highly regarded over here by the serious techno heads. Jeff Mills is a legend in the Techno circle. Poper techno has never really been main stream in the UK at all, but some of the cheesy rubbish in the charts does touch on it. But in the US they tend to have a very narrow mind when it comes to electronica, i don't mean that in a bad way, it's just not as big over there. They tend to just think of Techno or that terrible Euro-dance nonsense they seem to love in eastern Europe. Most of the truly brilliant stuff tends to go under the radar, like Nightmares On Wax, Lemon Jelly or Cinematic Orchestra etc. I don't think Drum & Bass/Jungle really took hold in the states did it? Although i know it's pretty big in Canada and Oz, although maybe not mainstream.

Going a little off topic here though now :)

amcluesent
2007-05-28, 07:43
Of course the pinnacle of UK music has long passed: Kate Bush, Joe Jackson, Japan, XTC, Altered Images, Sade, Bryan Ferry, Colourbox, The The, The Cure, Duritti Column, Elvis Costello, Everything But The Girl, Fine Young Cannibals, Frankie, Sleeper, Iron Maiden, Joy Division, Lloyd Cole, Ian Dury, OMD, Peter Gabriel, Swing Out Sister, This Mortal Coil, Undertones,...

Your bands today can't even come close

funkstar
2007-05-28, 10:51
how about these for some off the wall suggestions?

Archade Fire
Gomez
Field Music
Max´mo Park (ok, that one is pretty mainstream)
The Twilight Sad
The Twang (Getting mainstream)
Charlotte Hatherley
Cold War Kids

I think there is loads of great music coming out of the UK. Whether it's actually being heard overseas is another question.

stinkingpig
2007-05-28, 11:28
On 5/28/07, funkstar
<funkstar.2rb1hn1180374901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> how about these for some off the wall suggestions?
>
> Arcade Fire
> Gomez
> Field Music
> Max´mo Park (ok, that one is pretty mainstream)
> The Twilight Sad
> The Twang (Getting mainstream)
> Charlotte Hatherley
> Cold War Kids
>
> I think there is loads of great music coming out of the UK. Whether
> it's actually being heard overseas is another question.
>

"Overseas" is a big place. Here in the SF bay area I'd say that Gomez
and Arcade Fire are mainstream, but I'd agree they are not known at
all in Oklahoma City.

Arcade Fire's okay. Gomez annoys me.

Assuming UK includes Scotland, let's add Belle & Sebastian, Looper,
and Camera Obscura. Then there's a similar sound from London, The
Clientele.

Stereolab is another fine example of leading edge music from the UK.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Siduhe
2007-05-28, 12:22
Also try Boxcutter, album Oneiric.
Deep, dark, dirty and nasty.
MC


Don't move into a sales career man...

Works for me!

On a completely different vibe, I'm also enjoying Bat for Lashes at the moment...

http://www.batforlashes.co.uk/bio.html

oreillymj
2007-05-28, 13:28
Sadly I think Groove Armada have lost the plot on their latest album.

Anyone mentioned Hot Chip who are on the verge on breaking into the big time. Their sound is kinda dancey.

Ma Fleur by The Cinemmatic Orchestra is quite enjoyable but quite jazzy.


Version by Mark Ronson

Stars of CCTV by Hard-Fi

Silent Alarm or A Weekend In The City by Bloc Party

For something a bit rockier check out The Back Room by Editors

Skunk
2007-05-28, 14:18
Anyone mentioned Hot Chip who are on the verge on breaking into the big time. Their sound is kinda dancey.


I don't think so, but you reminded me of Basement Jaxx, who are also dancable with slightly less pop sensibility.

Also neglected so far has been Radiohead/Thom Yorke (best of the bunch IMHO).

What's up with that rapping bloke AKA The Streets being so popular over there?

Mark Lanctot
2007-05-28, 21:16
Archade Fire

But they're not from the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_fire


Arcade Fire is a Grammy nominated indie rock band formed in Montreal, Quebec, Canada

They're also not my cup of tea, unfortunately.

Jez
2007-05-28, 22:30
As an English ex-pat now in the SF bay area, I've had a bit of a chance to experience the view of English music on both sides of the pond.

Whilst English (or even British) music has thrown up some truly great bands, I'm not sure it's really seen in geographic terms here in the US. My patriotic side wants to feel somehow superior about the UK's output, but I don't think most people think like that. I think folks generally have particular tastes or genres and they pay attention to who's active in those fields. I know I certainly don't consider a band's geography when considering if I like them or not.

Having said that, I do feel that British radio is not only head and shoulders above US stuff, but also a major factor in cultivating a varied and vibrant music scene. I've been hooked on Rhapsody lately but every so often I have to go back to radio 6 to find some NEW music to love.

funkstar
2007-05-29, 03:33
But they're not from the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_fire
You learn something new every day :)

devo_live
2007-05-29, 11:47
I'm a Brit, and I think there's not enough true quality in GB at the moment as far as I've heard. But having said that, a lot of the "classic" GB bands are not high on my list of favourites, so maybe I'm coming from a slightly different angle. Though I would say three artists have been consistently superb over the last few years - Boards of Canada, Ladytron and Muse. Gorillaz second album was surprisingly good (the first had it's moments, but was more singles with filler). I enjoyed The Editors first album as well. Although it was a little derivative, it had some quality songs on it, and hung better together than Interpol's (the easiest comparison) second album. I'm also partial to Jamiroquai. Again it's derivative, but they do what they do well.

But much like everywhere else, new bands don't have the time to develop before becoming yesterday's news, and I think that harms the potential for quality music. It will be interesting to see what happens in the long term to the various media favourite bands that have cropped up over the last few years from GB.

Mark Lanctot
2007-05-29, 20:07
I'm also partial to Jamiroquai.

Now I knew I forgot somebody!

Interestingly, I don't like their original stuff much, as I'm not a jazz fan. However I like their later stuff very much, and it turns out their old fans are apparently becoming alienated with the techno-like sound.

mooker
2007-05-29, 20:43
Porcupine Tree. amazing.

Khuli
2007-05-30, 02:44
Porcupine Tree. amazing.
Indeed, though IMHO I would say the likes of IQ and Pendragon were better... Arena are also excellent.

Mike Meyer
2007-05-30, 06:25
One of my favorite bands right now is Threshold.

oreillymj
2007-05-31, 15:29
Oh yeah, while not exactly new, Kasabian's first album was excellent.
The track LSF was used as the Menu music on one of the Need For Speed's but don't let that put you off.

Strangely, although the 2nd album wasn't as good, pieces from it are used all over the place for incidental music and I find myslef humming along.

Yes and a 2nd shout for the latest Muse even if the album is compressed to hell.

If you like "shoe gazer" style stuff, the Mogwai - Zidane soundtrack is quite nice and I'm also thinkking about buying some British Sea Power albums.

peejay
2007-06-03, 00:35
This is more a question than a comment. I really like 'Goodbye Country' from Groove Armada, and am wondering if any of their other albums are similar i.e. if I like that album the I'd probably also like ??? Any opinions?
Thanks

oreillymj
2007-06-03, 12:16
The earlier albums were sold as chill out as they do have some quite mellow tunes on them, but at the same time, 2 very dancey tracks like "Everybody looked the Same" used by Mercedes & "I see You baby (Shakin' that Ass) used by Renault.

Lovebox is similar in style to Goodbye Country. You won't be dissapointed.

autopilot
2007-06-03, 14:37
This is more a question than a comment. I really like 'Goodbye Country' from Groove Armada, and am wondering if any of their other albums are similar i.e. if I like that album the I'd probably also like ??? Any opinions?
Thanks

Not as easy as it sounds that, it depends on what which Groove Armada sound you like as they can be quite eclectic. If its the more chilled side you like, have you tried any Lemon Jelly? Also check out Nightmares On Wax. All quite different, but people who like one often seem to like the others. Maybe some Fat Boy Slim?

Have you tried LAST.FM to see that that throws up?