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aubuti
2007-05-01, 20:11
We're about to remodel our kitchen/dining area, and I am thinking about installing 1 or 2 pair of in-ceiling speakers. This won't be for critical listening. But realistically this system will probably get more use than the "main" system in the living room, so it needs to sound good, at least up to moderate volume levels. I'm thinking of spending up to $300-400 per pair of speakers, going for the lower side if I end up with 2 pair, although I think 1 pair might suffice.

Among the names that I've seen mentioned most frequently are Polk Audio, Boston Acoustics, B&W, Linn, and some others that escape me right now. I know that speaker likes and dislikes are very subjective, but I still would like to hear what others have to say before I go out and audition some.

At this point I'm thinking of driving them with an AudioSource A100 amp (or 2 if I go with 2 pair of speakers) or maybe Sonic T-amp(s). I'm planning to tuck the amps away in the pantry, so I'm also thinking of having a wall-mounted volume control, rather than have to reach for the SB remote. Any suggestions there?

Thanks.

Eric Seaberg
2007-05-01, 20:43
Have you looked at Tannoy? You won't find them at the typical Hi-Fi store as they're made in Scotland and are World renowned for their Pro Studio Monitoring systems. My living room 5.1 system is Tannoy controlroom monitors and they've got some GREAT in-ceiling/in-wall systems.

You should be able to find them online from commercial installation companies if not eBay.

Info at: http://www.tannoy.com/CMSOverview for ceiling
and at: http://www.tannoy.com/IWOverview for in-walls.

Info on their Consumer and Studio stuff is available at the home page: http://www.tannoy.com/

bobharp
2007-05-02, 06:53
I have a pair of Polk RC60i speakers in my kitchen now. Love them.

Moving very soon to a new house and put in Proficient Audio (http://proficientaudio.com/) PFC640s (~$150/pair). The change was based purely on cost and an advertised freq response of (32-22kHz).
I hope to put together a review soon.
Yes the Proficient website is cheesy. The must of hired the same guy who does all the movie voice trailers.

Paul_B
2007-05-02, 07:18
Which is going to produce better sound in-ceiling or in-wall. BTW like the look of the Tannoy stuff and have bought from them before.

aubuti
2007-05-04, 07:20
Thanks for the responses. I had heard of Tannoy, but never heard any opinions. And I needed a nudge to get past the opening animations of the very cheesy Proficient Audio site!

Almost all of the wall space is going to be either windows or cabinets, so in this instance I'm guessing that the wider options for placement of in-ceiling speakers may trump in-wall. Spousal aesthetic sensibilities are also a factor.

Hey bobharp, please do put together a review and post it, I would appreciate hearing how the Proficient Audio compare to the Polks. Are the Polks staying in your old place? I ask because if you're interested in selling them I'm just down the road from you (Takoma Park).

bklaas
2007-05-04, 07:46
you also might consider speakers from home theater direct.
http://www.htd.com/in-wall-ceiling-speakers/high-definition
I have a pair of HD-R80s in my living room, and a pair of HD-R65s in my kitchen, and they both work and sound great. Getting sound from the ceiling takes a little getting used to, but I got over that pretty quickly. The aesthetics of flush in-ceiling speakers are a huge plus.

good luck,
#!/ben

azinck3
2007-05-04, 07:55
Put Paradigm on your short list -- they have a wide range of in-wall/in-ceiling units and offer a lot of bang for the buck.

bobharp
2007-05-04, 09:36
Thanks for the responses. I had heard of Tannoy, but never heard any opinions. And I needed a nudge to get past the opening animations of the very cheesy Proficient Audio site!

Almost all of the wall space is going to be either windows or cabinets, so in this instance I'm guessing that the wider options for placement of in-ceiling speakers may trump in-wall. Spousal aesthetic sensibilities are also a factor.

Hey bobharp, please do put together a review and post it, I would appreciate hearing how the Proficient Audio compare to the Polks. Are the Polks staying in your old place? I ask because if you're interested in selling them I'm just down the road from you (Takoma Park).

Funny that Takoma Park. How is the nuclear free zone?
I'm now spitting distance from the other nuclear free zone Garrett Park.
I think my multi-zone audio was the top selling point for my house. It sold within a week. Though I thought of swapping the Polks for the Proficients I did say they conveyed.
Once the mayhem has died down I will review.

Heuer
2007-05-04, 10:11
I use Anthony Gallo Nucleus Micro's in one of my home theatre systems and they are superb.
http://www.roundsound.com/ceiling-speakers-mounts.htm
http://www.roundsound.com/micro-satellite-speakers.htm

Easy to fit and very high quality. They are not cheap though. The A'Diva range is even better but more expensive.

Edit: Forgot to add that because they are spheres you can 'point' them in the desired direction for fine tuning when in ceiling.

jeffmeh
2007-05-04, 14:19
Niles Audio has a wide selection of in-ceiling speakers. I have a pair that I use as rear-surround speakers, so I really do not listen to them critically. They have the ability to direct the tweeter toward the listening position, if desired.

http://www.nilesaudio.com/product_detail.php?recordID=Ceiling%20Mount%20Loud speakers&categoryID=Speakers

Mike-B
2007-05-04, 18:39
Another vote for the Tannoy's. The dual concentric design they are famous for makes them deal for in-ceiling mounting. They have the widest off-axis dispersion available, this makes them perfect for the less than ideal position they will be mounted in. No need to angle tweeters etc.
As an extreme example I was recently involved in setting up a 5.1 system with three B&W 802D at the front and Tannoy CMS12TDC's in a 13' ceiling for the rears (http://www.tannoy.com/CMS12TDC) more than a match for each other.

aubuti
2007-05-04, 20:48
Funny that Takoma Park. How is the nuclear free zone?
Still no nukes in TP. But the Free Burma Committee hasn't been as successful....

Though I thought of swapping the Polks for the Proficients I did say they conveyed.
That statement is testimony both to how good the Polks must sound, and your honesty. You sure you live inside the Beltway? ;o)

Siduhe
2007-05-04, 21:01
Can I ask how people deal with the cabling for in-wall and ceiling speakers (assuming you're dealing with existing walls - not building from scratch) - do you chase in or duct in, or put in a proper channel?

New house and we're contemplating ripping up the floor, but curious to know what other options there are. No CAT5 cable sadly...

Do wireless speakers work at all? Just for rear effects in a 5.1 system - and do they operate on 2.4ghz or some other frequency?

seanadams
2007-05-04, 23:34
New house and we're contemplating ripping up the floor, but curious to know what other options there are. No CAT5 cable sadly...


Before you do anything drastic, get a few opinions from different wiring professionals. There are ways that wire can be run using tools like super long drill bits, extendable fiberglass rods, "cable casters" and other tricks. You can even push wires through solid sprayed-in insulation. Or you can run something like this along the drywall, and get it textured over: http://www.solutions.com/jump.jsp?itemID=5731&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C4%2C26%2C584&iProductID=5731

I wouldn't recommend wireless speakers. They don't sound great, and you still have to get power to them, which is often more trouble than just running the speaker wire.

peter
2007-05-05, 00:11
seanadams wrote:
> Siduhe;199722 Wrote:
>
>> New house and we're contemplating ripping up the floor, but curious to
>> know what other options there are. No CAT5 cable sadly...
>>
>>
>
> Before you do anything drastic, get a few opinions from different
> wiring professionals. There are ways that wire can be run using tools
> like super long drill bits, extendable fiberglass rods, "cable casters"
> and other tricks. You can even push wires through solid sprayed-in
> insulation. Or you can run something like this along the drywall, and
> get it textured over:
> http://www.solutions.com/jump.jsp?itemID=5731&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C4%2C26%2C584&iProductID=5731
>

Looks great, I added it to my bookmarks. I just put the house up for sale ;)
> I wouldn't recommend wireless speakers. They don't sound great, and you
> still have to get power to them, which is often more trouble than just
> running the speaker wire.
>

I wouldn't touch them myself...

Regards,
Peter

Siduhe
2007-05-05, 12:32
Or you can run something like this along the drywall, and get it textured over: http://www.solutions.com/jump.jsp?itemID=5731&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C4%2C26%2C584&iProductID=5731

That is brilliant - will definitely look into it.

jeffmeh
2007-05-05, 13:36
That is brilliant - will definitely look into it.


And deprive yourself of the experience of snaking a wire through a finished wall...? lol

You would need an electrician's fish tape, basically a wire made for such a purpose.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-3588077-1376741?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%22fish+tape%22

robj
2007-05-06, 15:34
On 2 May 2007, at 04:11, aubuti wrote:
> We're about to remodel our kitchen/dining area, and I am thinking
> about
> installing 1 or 2 pair of in-ceiling speakers.

Has anybody tried single stereo speakers (as oppose to a pair) ?

Robert

bobharp
2007-05-08, 05:55
Has anybody tried single stereo speakers (as oppose to a pair) ?

Robert

I had a Niles CM6.3SI speaker in my bathroom. It did not compare to the Polks but sounded fine for the space it was in. I have one Proficient 6.5" single stereo speaker now.

Moved on Saturday. Having some issues getting my AV rack (http://avrak.com/) set up properly in my AV cabinet. Clearance issues.

Oddly my Comcast hookup went swimingly well. Never figured that my Series 3 Tivo would move without having to go through the dreaded cable card setup again. Internet works as well.

bobharp
2007-07-02, 11:59
Hey bobharp, please do put together a review and post it, I would appreciate hearing how the Proficient Audio compare to the Polks.

I've finally hooked up all my zones.
The Proficient speakers have exceeded my expectations.
-Disclaimer- I do not consider myself to be an audiophile -Disclaimer-

Audio from the speakers is clear and crisp throughout volume levels, even cranked all the way up.
Listened to CSNY "So Far" album.
Guitar and vocals came through with rich detail.

These speakers perform as good if not better than the Polk and Niles that I had before.
The wife even thinks they sound better than our previous setup.

Enjoying these budget speakers and my Squeezeboxes.

aubuti
2007-07-02, 12:18
Congrats on getting things hooked up, and thanks for the review on the Proficient speakers. I'm still a few months away from installation. In fact, we just got the detailed cost estimate from the contractor for our remodel/addition, and at this point "budget speakers" are definitely all we have room for in our budget!

dennisd
2007-07-02, 18:32
Also on a budget, I installed 812C Mitec 8" Speakers from Smarthome in the bedroom about 6' apart and 3' from the side walls and 5' from the headboard wall. (I have waterproof 6.5" speakers over the showers and they don't sound as good but are adequate and supply both stereo channels.) I am happy. I replaced my large'ish AE EVO floor standing bedroom speakers and think it was an OK trade. Further though, I used the Leviton speaker connections to get the wiring out of the ceiling, down the wall to someplace convenient where I can wire in the amp(s). (Also Cat 5 for the squeezebox.) I subsequently mounted Chopin Leviton volume controls next to the bed (Cat5!). If you do a bit of research, you can find them for nearly half listed price. That gives me a squeezebox that I can use in the bedroom and 2 bathrooms. (As opposed to the other 6 squeezeboxes in the rest of the house.)
Dennis