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TexasRugger
2007-04-30, 19:10
Can anyone walk me through the benefits/drawbacks of NAS vs. a basic USB external drive? I haven't started to rip my collection yet (just bought the SB3 a few days ago) and I want to set this up right. I'm really not interested in the ability to share my music files across any other computers. However, I am interested in redundancy (RAID), as I don't want to do this again if a hard drive fails. I'm working with a Macintosh, BTW. Any pros, cons? Thanks,

Steve

davep
2007-04-30, 19:36
My opinion - albeit based on experience with only one of the options, but considerable anecdotal reading of the other - is to forget the NAS idea and go with simple external hard disks (USB or Firewire). The reason for saying this is the significant number of threads in this forum over the past few months from people wrestling with setting up/upgrading/troubleshooting their various NAS set-ups. It seems to me that these are typically compromised in their flexibility, power, ability to run the latest version of SlimServer, add plugins, etc, and offer in compensation very little other than what appears to be some sort of holy grail for a few people of "not having a computer on 24/7". As I understand it, the NAS is a (crippled) form of a computer so what's the big deal anyway.

As far as securing backups I do not believe NAS offers any advantage unless you set it up as a RAID array, which seems a little complicated to me. My advice would be to buy 2 external drives of the same size (500 to 600 Gb disks are widely available and reasonably priced) and hook them both up to your Mac, copy the music files to both of them and then run a backup routine to regularly copy what is added to the main drive to the backup copy. You can do this with rsync or if you prefer a GUI there are a number of programs which can do this including automation of copying.

Just my opinion of course - I'm sure there are NAS fans who will suggest benefits that I am unable to see for myself.

davep

aubuti
2007-04-30, 19:59
Can anyone walk me through the benefits/drawbacks of NAS vs. a basic USB external drive? I haven't started to rip my collection yet (just bought the SB3 a few days ago) and I want to set this up right. I'm really not interested in the ability to share my music files across any other computers. However, I am interested in redundancy (RAID), as I don't want to do this again if a hard drive fails. I'm working with a Macintosh, BTW. Any pros, cons? Thanks,

Steve
If all you're looking for is external storage and plan to run slimserver off your Mac, and not interested in sharing files off computers, then I'd recommend two external USB drives. The USB drives are simpler, so they're generally less expensive --- sometimes much less expensive --- than NASs.

Why two external USB drives? Because eventually every hard drive will fail, and so you'll need one as a backup. Personally, I think RAID is overrated for applications like storing your music library. It protects well against down time from drive failure, but not against other dangers like human error (accidentally deleting files), theft, fire, flood, stray projectiles, etc. If possible, keep the backup drive off-site, and bring it home as needed to update the backup.

I use a NAS for my main music library because it runs slimserver and it's also an integral part of the backup system for the other computers in the house. I keep a USB at the office, and periodically bring it home to sync/backup.

mherger
2007-04-30, 23:58
> Can anyone walk me through the benefits/drawbacks of NAS vs. a basic USB
> external drive? I haven't started to rip my collection yet (just bought
> the SB3 a few days ago) and I want to set this up right. I'm really not
> interested in the ability to share my music files across any other
> computers.

Then go with USB disks. Less hassle, more performance.

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Patrick Dowling
2007-05-01, 03:11
I would stay away from the NAS like others have suggested for cost,
performance and flexibility reasons. It's cheaper to buy two
external drives and using one as a backup than purchasing a NAS and
setting up the RAID. After which you still don't have a stand alone
backup.

I also have a Mac and two 400Gb Firewire/USB drives. One as a
primary and one as a backup which stays disconnected and powered off
till I want to run another backup. The software that I use for the
drive copying is called SuperDuper http://www.shirt-pocket.com/
SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html.
I've actually partitioned each drive into two partitions, one used to
mirror the drive in the computer and one to hold the music. That
allows me to nightly mirror my drive in the computer to the external
drive. One benefit of Firewire over USB is that with Firewire I can
boot from the external drive if needed. The second drive is
partitioned the same and that is used to backup both partitions on
the primary external drive, which I do monthly.

I hope that all makes sense. My total investment for the two 400Gb
Firewire/USB drives is less than $400.

Pat

On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:59 PM, aubuti wrote:

>
> TexasRugger;198732 Wrote:
>> Can anyone walk me through the benefits/drawbacks of NAS vs. a
>> basic USB
>> external drive? I haven't started to rip my collection yet (just
>> bought
>> the SB3 a few days ago) and I want to set this up right. I'm
>> really not
>> interested in the ability to share my music files across any other
>> computers. However, I am interested in redundancy (RAID), as I don't
>> want to do this again if a hard drive fails. I'm working with a
>> Macintosh, BTW. Any pros, cons? Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
> If all you're looking for is external storage and plan to run
> slimserver off your Mac, and not interested in sharing files off
> computers, then I'd recommend two external USB drives. The USB drives
> are simpler, so they're generally less expensive --- sometimes much
> less expensive --- than NASs.
>
> Why two external USB drives? Because eventually every hard drive will
> fail, and so you'll need one as a backup. Personally, I think RAID is
> overrated for applications like storing your music library. It
> protects
> well against down time from drive failure, but not against other
> dangers
> like human error (accidentally deleting files), theft, fire, flood,
> stray projectiles, etc. If possible, keep the backup drive off-site,
> and bring it home as needed to update the backup.
>
> I use a NAS for my main music library because it runs slimserver and
> it's also an integral part of the backup system for the other
> computers
> in the house. I keep a USB at the office, and periodically bring it
> home
> to sync/backup.
>
>
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y360
2007-05-01, 04:33
If I had to buy a new external hard drive, I'd consider the faster eSATA interface rather than USB/FW, e.g. Western Digital WDG1SU5000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esata#eSATA_compared_to_other_buses

y360
2007-05-01, 04:37
Also, Microsoft's synctoy does a nice job of incrementally mirroring one hard disk's files to another

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/synctoy.mspx

TexasRugger
2007-05-01, 17:26
This is the info I needed. I think I'll stay away from the NAS and go with 2 externals.... Thanks,

Tex

Anne
2007-05-02, 14:06
If I had to buy a new external hard drive, I'd consider the faster eSATA interface rather than USB/FW, e.g. Western Digital WDG1SU5000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esata#eSATA_compared_to_other_buses

I have been looking at Western products and feedback, was concerned when I read that something seems to happen to them after 3 weeks, either they fail or you must purchase extra software to make it work again ?
Please tell what the eSATA-300 is again ? A 7 pin plug I read, but does that just go in the USB connection on my computer ?
I have a firewire (400 I think), its connected to the router that streams music to the SB3.
I was also considering one of these : http://www.synology.com/enu/products/DS106serise/index.php , have to admit, I like the design also..., any comments ?

shake-the-disease
2007-05-02, 17:27
Just my opinion of course - I'm sure there are NAS fans who will suggest benefits that I am unable to see for myself.

davep

Compared to my old PC SS setup, my new NAS SS solution is far quieter (no fans and a quiet HDD), far smaller and was cheap. The first 2 factors are very important if the server has to be located in the same room as the SB. The third is important if you have a family to support and a mortgage to pay.

The fact is takes a couple of hours to do a fresh scan my music collection is of no real concern to me.

y360
2007-05-03, 02:07
I have 2 WD MyBook drives, one of them died 3 days after purchase and was replaced. I also had an episode of disk errors which was remedied by running the disk check utility. Reading Amazon reviews, the WD MyBook indeed has reliability issues but on the other hand priced very attractively.
I considered buying a separate external enclosure but it seemed too much of a hassle.
The new eSATA interface has a new connector and is unrelated to USB. It needs native motherboard support or an adapter card, see
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/resources/esataupgrade.asp

mortslim
2007-05-03, 10:00
Compared to my old PC SS setup, my new NAS SS solution is far quieter (no fans and a quiet HDD), far smaller and was cheap.


Can you please share with us your detailed setup?

peter
2007-05-04, 05:05
shake-the-disease wrote:
> davep;198736 Wrote:
>
>> Just my opinion of course - I'm sure there are NAS fans who will
>> suggest benefits that I am unable to see for myself.
>>
>> davep
>>
>
> Compared to my old PC SS setup, my new NAS SS solution is far quieter
> (no fans and a quiet HDD), far smaller and was cheap. The first 2
> factors are very important if the server has to be located in the same
> room as the SB. The third is important if you have a family to support
> and a mortgage to pay.
>
> The fact is takes a couple of hours to do a fresh scan my music
> collection is of no real concern to me.
>

Using a NAS box as an SS server is not the issue here AFAICT.

Regards,
Peter

peter
2007-05-04, 05:07
Patrick Dowling wrote:
> I also have a Mac and two 400Gb Firewire/USB drives. One as a
> primary and one as a backup which stays disconnected and powered off
> till I want to run another backup. The software that I use for the
> drive copying is called SuperDuper http://www.shirt-pocket.com/
> SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html.

You must have a really cheap OS if you have to buy separate file copy
tools... :(

Regards,
Peter

peter
2007-05-04, 05:10
y360 wrote:
> If I had to buy a new external hard drive, I'd consider the faster eSATA
> interface rather than USB/FW, e.g. Western Digital WDG1SU5000
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esata#eSATA_compared_to_other_buses
>

Looks nice, but as long as all my PC's have standard USB interfaces,
many of them FW and none of them eSata, I guess I'll stick to drives
that I can actually plug in to something.

Regards,
Peter