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Xorro
2007-04-23, 02:17
Just wondering if it would be worth having a for sale section on here (split by UK/USA/etc.) so people can sell spare SBs or QNAP devices, that sort of thing?

Mark Lanctot
2007-04-23, 06:13
Sounds like a good idea but I'm wondering if it would cannibalize sales? Why buy a new one when you can buy a used one, and the bandwidth is paid for by the company that builds and sells the new ones on the same site.

Yes, it would be nice to have a community away from eBay where you wouldn't have to compete with "L@@K!!!!!!!! GREAT KOSS CD PLAYER LIKE SLIM DEVICES SQUEEZEBOX!!!!!!" when you enter a search term.

amcluesent
2007-04-23, 11:40
Maybe a forum to announce items going on Ebay?

peter
2007-04-23, 12:05
Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea but I'm wondering if it would cannibalize sales?
> Why buy a new one when you can buy a used one, and the bandwidth is
> paid for by the company that builds and sells the new ones on the same
> site.
>
Bandwidth is cheap.
Not that many 2nd hand SB's are offered here or on E-bay.
A separate section makes sense.

> Yes, it would be nice to have a community away from eBay where you
> wouldn't have to compete with "L@@K!!!!!!!! GREAT KOSS CD PLAYER LIKE
> SLIM DEVICES SQUEEZEBOX!!!!!!" when you enter a search term.
>

A active market for 2nd devices is a great incentive foir buying a new
one. You can see that you can always sell it for a good price if you
change your mind. SB's hold their value pretty well...

Regards,
Peter

peejay
2007-04-24, 04:46
Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea but I'm wondering if it would cannibalize sales?
> Why buy a new one when you can buy a used one, and the bandwidth is
> paid for by the company that builds and sells the new ones on the same
> site.
>
Bandwidth is cheap.
Not that many 2nd hand SB's are offered here or on E-bay.
A separate section makes sense.

> Yes, it would be nice to have a community away from eBay where you
> wouldn't have to compete with "L@@K!!!!!!!! GREAT KOSS CD PLAYER LIKE
> SLIM DEVICES SQUEEZEBOX!!!!!!" when you enter a search term.
>

A active market for 2nd devices is a great incentive foir buying a new
one. You can see that you can always sell it for a good price if you
change your mind. SB's hold their value pretty well...

Regards,
Peter

I'd hate to see this forum turn into a market. This forum is for discussion, not private enterprise. The internet is too clogged up now with people trying to sell something to someone. Keep Slim Devices forum free of that stuff, please.

peter
2007-04-24, 05:48
peejay wrote:
> Peter;197073 Wrote:
>
>> Mark Lanctot wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like a good idea but I'm wondering if it would cannibalize
>>>
>> sales?
>>
>>> Why buy a new one when you can buy a used one, and the bandwidth is
>>> paid for by the company that builds and sells the new ones on the
>>>
>> same
>>
>>> site.
>>>
>>>
>> Bandwidth is cheap.
>> Not that many 2nd hand SB's are offered here or on E-bay.
>> A separate section makes sense.
>>
>>
>>> Yes, it would be nice to have a community away from eBay where you
>>> wouldn't have to compete with "L@@K!!!!!!!! GREAT KOSS CD PLAYER
>>>
>> LIKE
>>
>>> SLIM DEVICES SQUEEZEBOX!!!!!!" when you enter a search term.
>>>
>>>
>> A active market for 2nd devices is a great incentive foir buying a new
>>
>> one. You can see that you can always sell it for a good price if you
>> change your mind. SB's hold their value pretty well...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter
>>
>
> I'd hate to see this forum turn into a market. This forum is for
> discussion, not private enterprise. The internet is too clogged up now
> with people trying to sell something to someone. Keep Slim Devices
> forum free of that stuff, please.
>
>

People are regularly offering or asking for SB's in the general forum.
I fail to see how moving those to a separate forum would clog things up.

Regards,
Peter

sc53
2007-04-24, 07:09
So far I've gotten 2 additional SB3's plus 2 or 3 upgraded power supplies from posts in the General Discussion forum. I was glad to see the posts! I already had a new SB3 but was curious about the power supply upgrades...now I know!

Mark Lanctot
2007-04-24, 08:04
I'd hate to see this forum turn into a market. This forum is for discussion, not private enterprise. The internet is too clogged up now with people trying to sell something to someone. Keep Slim Devices forum free of that stuff, please.

A discreet "For Sale" subforum would bring the occasional "For Sale" posts in General Discussion there and out of General Discussion - not that there's rampant misuse of "For Sale" posts that I can see. If they're unrelated spam, they get deleted and banned fast - within minutes in most cases.

I can remember discussions of the commercialization of the Internet back in 1992 when I first discovered it. It seemed a bad thing back then and it's now far worse than anyone could have imagined back then. Believe me, I go to great lengths to block ads and I hate commercials more than most. But I don't see that happening here, and I think a "For Sale" subforum would be a good idea if Logitech wasn't concerned about it affecting sales of new product.

pfarrell
2007-07-21, 18:34
I agree, I think a separate for sale by owner section would be a good idea.

I've got a Benchmark DAC-1 that I'd like to sell to a good home. "for sale" postings really don't belong in the existing sections. And I'd rather sell it to a smart, talented and good looking person on these forums than some stranger on eBay.

haunyack
2007-07-21, 18:48
I agree, I think a separate for sale by owner section would be a good idea.

I've got a Benchmark DAC-1 that I'd like to sell to a good home. "for sale" postings really don't belong in the existing sections. And I'd rather sell it to a smart, talented and good looking person on these forums than some stranger on eBay.

Me too.
Wanna buy some of my stuff?

Seriously... I've been considering parting with some of my unused electronics but am reticent to list on ebay.

.

JJZolx
2007-07-21, 20:12
From a community standpoint, I think it's a good idea. It wouldn't harm sales in any way... If someone wants to sell a Squeezebox, they're going to sell it somehow. The forum would just make it convenient to community members.

You'd need some fairly clear rules and there would be some inevitable moderation, including the locking and deletion of threads. I would hope that's OK with everyone and doesn't raise the censorship debate once again. But the forum won't be for discussion, so it should be fine.

I would suggest permitting the sale of anything audio, as well as pretty much anything computer & networking related. Again, as a convenience (service?) to community members. Want to sell a wireless router that someone else could use? Perfect place for it.

I would also suggest that users _not_ be permitted to post links to eBay auctions or to listings on other for-sales sites such as Audiogon. Require a full item description and a clearly stated price (with or without OBO) for all items appearing in listings.

pfarrell
2007-07-21, 20:29
JJZolx wrote:
> I would suggest permitting the sale of anything audio, as well as
> pretty much anything computer & networking related. Again, as a
> convenience (service?) to community members. Want to sell a wireless
> router that someone else could use? Perfect place for it.

I'm not sure I agree with "anything audio". Altho "Selling my MegaDollar
turntable because I love my SqueezeBox" would be OK with me.

I had not considered "anything computer or network related" since that
is too broad, IMHO. I sure don't want to see old laptops, or generic
obsolete desktop PCs. Its a gray area. Which is bad.

For example, to me, it would be OK to sell a "used P3 desktop setup with
SlimServer" but not a plain "used P3 desktop"

I'd want it more restricted than Jim suggests, it has to be SqueezeBox
or Transporter related. Which would allow "Benchmark (or Larvy) DAC,
replaced it with a Transporter, wonderful with a SqueezeBox".

"Linear powersupply for SB" would be fine with me. $2000 interconnects
is marginal. "PC audio speakers, list for $10, $2 OBO" may get an award
for chutzpah, but the listing is just wasted bandwidth.

Its such a slippery slope. Perhaps this will end up being unworkable.


--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

Robin Bowes
2007-07-22, 03:31
pfarrell wrote:
> I agree, I think a separate for sale by owner section would be a good
> idea.
>
> I've got a Benchmark DAC-1 that I'd like to sell to a good home. "for
> sale" postings really don't belong in the existing sections. And I'd
> rather sell it to a smart, talented and good looking person on these
> forums than some stranger on eBay.

Sorry Pat, I don't want a Banchmark DAC-1. :)

R.

slimkid
2007-07-22, 06:53
pfarrell wrote:
> I agree, I think a separate for sale by owner section would be a good
> idea.
>
> I've got a Benchmark DAC-1 that I'd like to sell to a good home. "for
> sale" postings really don't belong in the existing sections. And I'd
> rather sell it to a smart, talented and good looking person on these
> forums than some stranger on eBay.

Sorry Pat, I don't want a Banchmark DAC-1. :)

R.

Fully support the idea of the separate forum. Anything tied to slimdevices - based on common sense. I'll be in market for the DAC, and I'd much rather buy it from somebody like pfarrell, then go trough the process on eBay or similar place.

K

pfarrell
2007-07-22, 08:09
Robin Bowes wrote:
> Sorry Pat, I don't want a Banchmark DAC-1. :)

Then it wouldn't be a good home at your place.
But you have to admit that your reply is a tad OT.

Do you want a for sale or not?
What rules?

tomjtx
2007-07-22, 08:18
A for sale forum could be divided into categories.

Squeezebox

Transporter

Dacs

Computer products for use with SB and TP eg. routers, servers etc.

This could rule out speakers, cabling, amps etc.

Seems workable to me.

Robin Bowes
2007-07-22, 08:39
Pat Farrell wrote:
> Robin Bowes wrote:
>> Sorry Pat, I don't want a Banchmark DAC-1. :)
>
> Then it wouldn't be a good home at your place.
> But you have to admit that your reply is a tad OT.
>
> Do you want a for sale or not?
> What rules?

It was an attempt at humour.

You said:

"...I'd rather sell it to a smart, talented and good looking person"

Geddit? :)

A For Sale forum? Why not.

Rules? Sure, there need to be rules.

How about several forums - Slim Devices hardware, related-audio hardware
(DACs, amps, speakers, whatever), 3rd-party hardware (NAS, Linkstations,
etc).

R.

Pale Blue Ego
2007-07-22, 12:59
This could rule out speakers, cabling, amps etc.


What about SB-compatible speakers like Aego or AudioEngine?

tomjtx
2007-07-22, 13:21
What about SB-compatible speakers like Aego or AudioEngine?

Actualy I wouldn't any audio related stuff, but the above should certainly be included.

bephillips
2007-07-23, 10:49
Universal remotes, Nokias, iPhones, etc.

nicketynick
2007-07-23, 11:05
Me too.
Wanna buy some of my stuff?

Seriously... I've been considering parting with some of my unused electronics but am reticent to list on ebay.

Transporter -> B&K Reference 200.2 -> Vandersteen 3A Signature.
RWA (Analog) SB3 -> Rotel RB 1070 -> B&W Matrix 805.
Fridgidare -> Mirror Pond pale ale -> easy chair w/remote -> irritated neighbors.
.

I probably can't afford any of your cast-offs, but I sure wouldn't mind a case of that Mirror Pond pale ale!! (but you can keep the irritated neighbours!)

mvalera
2007-07-23, 18:13
I'd hate to see this forum turn into a market. This forum is for discussion, not private enterprise. The internet is too clogged up now with people trying to sell something to someone. Keep Slim Devices forum free of that stuff, please.

Agreed,

Guys, selling your used stuff what this forum is about. ;)

Mike

haunyack
2007-07-23, 18:21
Agreed,

Guys, selling your used stuff what this forum is about. ;)

Mike

Huh?
Not sure I understand your contradictory statement or am I just a little thick right now?

.

JJZolx
2007-07-23, 18:21
I'd hate to see this forum turn into a market.

There are _multiple_ forums here. I don't bother reading the Spanish or the German or even the DIY forums. It would be the same with adding a classifieds forum.

haunyack
2007-07-23, 18:27
There are _multiple_ forums here. I don't bother reading the Spanish or the German or even the DIY forums. It would be the same with adding a classifieds forum.


+1

.

mvalera
2007-07-23, 21:50
Agreed,

Guys, selling your used stuff what this forum is about. ;)

Mike

Oops... my fingers got ahead of my head there, or my head got ahead of my fingers... whichever. ;)

Guys, selling your used stuff _is_not_ what this forum is about.

mvalera
2007-07-23, 21:54
There are _multiple_ forums here. I don't bother reading the Spanish or the German or even the DIY forums. It would be the same with adding a classifieds forum.

This is one forum... it has multiple discussion areas.

None of them will be dedicated to selling used items.

JJZolx
2007-07-23, 22:00
None of them will be dedicated to selling used items.

Whatever's easiest.

haunyack
2007-07-23, 23:02
This is one forum... it has multiple discussion areas.

None of them will be dedicated to selling used items.

Is your word final on this subject?
Discussion closed?

I am beginning to feel corporate culture in these forum lately.
Please remember that we are NOT your employees, we represent a good portion of your Logitech/Slimdevices paycheck.
Don't treat us as your underling.
I'm sure there are plenty of minions in your office for you to subjugate.
Get off your high-horse.


.

amcluesent
2007-07-24, 00:14
>am beginning to feel corporate culture in these forum lately.<

Yep, Logitech corporate lawyers will have killed the idea due to worries about liability for stolen goods, frauds etc. if they facilitate the trades.

JJZolx
2007-07-24, 00:55
Is your word final on this subject?
Discussion closed?

I am beginning to feel corporate culture in these forum lately.

Whoa. It's their decision. Ease up.

It's probably not an attractive proposition, running such a board. It's real work. In comparison, the rest of these forums require virtually no maintenance. Although it would be a nice gesture to offer the community such a resource, they're obviously not obliged to do it.

Sales boards on a site like this tend to get few postings. There are generally better places to sell gear. Even Squeezeboxes are likely to fetch more if you take the time to list them on eBay and sell them to a complete stranger. But it can be a lot easier and more enjoyable to sell a piece of gear to someone you've known for several years in a community like this one.

pfarrell
2007-07-24, 05:40
Guys, selling your used stuff _is_not_ what this forum is about.

boo hiss.

Final and unrevokable official decision?

mvalera
2007-07-24, 10:10
I'll discuss it further with Jim C when he returns, he's out till late next week, but fundamentally it's just not what this forum is about.

This forum is meant to be a community built around discussing the use and development of our products, it's not a marketplace.

Pale Blue Ego
2007-07-24, 10:21
Nothing stopping anybody from creating a ForSale mailing list or website dedicated to Slim stuff, and putting a link in their sig.

haunyack
2007-07-24, 10:22
Whoa. It's their decision. Ease up.

It's probably not an attractive proposition, running such a board. It's real work. In comparison, the rest of these forums require virtually no maintenance. Although it would be a nice gesture to offer the community such a resource, they're obviously not obliged to do it.

Sales boards on a site like this tend to get few postings. There are generally better places to sell gear. Even Squeezeboxes are likely to fetch more if you take the time to list them on eBay and sell them to a complete stranger. But it can be a lot easier and more enjoyable to sell a piece of gear to someone you've known for several years in a community like this one.

Deep breath.
Calm and relax.
Om.....

ok, I'm back.

My apologies to mvalera for the rant.

"Nothing stopping anybody from creating a ForSale mailing list or website dedicated to Slim stuff, and putting a link in their sig." - good idea.

Or how about the method currently being used whereas the seller gives a brief description in the forum, then carries out the transaction through private email.
The product descriptions can be centralized under it's own thread with the condition of "listing" only.


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mvalera
2007-07-24, 10:33
Is your word final on this subject?
Discussion closed?

I am beginning to feel corporate culture in these forum lately.
Please remember that we are NOT your employees, we represent a good portion of your Logitech/Slimdevices paycheck.
Don't treat us as your underling.
I'm sure there are plenty of minions in your office for you to subjugate.
Get off your high-horse.


.

Jeeze c'mon. Corporate culture?? That really has nothing to do with it, and it definitely didn't come from Logitech Corporate.

I really feel that selling personal items does not belong on this forum for the exact same reasons that Peejay expressed. I just don't think this forum is the right place to be selling things.

However as I said, I will discuss it further with Jim C (my boss) when he gets back.

Mike