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shvejk
2007-04-02, 06:49
Great news to all SB users.

Now, can we have AAC support in firmware, please?

LejfK
2007-04-02, 18:18
Great news to all SB users.

Now, can we have AAC support in firmware, please?

I second the motion.

Patrick Dowling
2007-04-03, 01:15
Apple didn't create AAC and doesn't own it, they simply use it in
iTunes and on the iPods. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents for some of the details.


On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:01 PM, tyler_durden wrote:

>
> You can't have AAC support in firmware because slimdevices hasn't paid
> Apple for a license.
>
> That's one of the prices you pay for adopting a proprietary format.
>
> Now if you wanted to pay an extra chunk of money to Slimdevices so
> they
> could pay a licensing fee to Apple, you might get somewhere. On the
> other hand, why should Slimdevices put themselves at a competitive
> disadvantage price-wise in order to support a proprietary format when
> there are great, free, lossless formats such as flac available?
> Indeed, why would anyone have chosen a proprietary format over a free
> one in the first place- oh yeah, those Ipods are soooo cuuuuute!
>
> Will Slimdevices make enough money selling more SBs to apple fans who
> made the mistake of investing large sums into proprietary format
> libraries to offset the loss of customers due to increased price of
> the
> SB? Will apple license AAC decoders or will they keep their flock
> penned securely in the Apple hardware corral?
> Questions, questions....
>
> TD
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Patrick Dowling
2007-04-03, 01:21
The correct i.e. unbroken link is here http://tinyurl.com/3djk98

On Apr 3, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Patrick Dowling wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents

windowshade
2007-04-03, 09:55
It would be nice to see AAC decoded in the box. If this is not already a priority, the EMI/iTunes DRM decision ought to tip the scales.

The Wikipedia link addresses streaming and distribution, but not decoding. Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?)

shvejk
2007-04-03, 10:58
> Now if you wanted to pay an extra chunk of money to Slimdevices so
> they could pay a licensing fee to Apple, you might get somewhere.

The licensing fees seem reasonable to me. I am happy to pay a couple of extra $ to cover the cost.

http://www.vialicensing.com/Licensing/MPEG4_fees.cfm?product=MPEG-4AAC

> On the other hand, why should Slimdevices put themselves at a competitive
> disadvantage price-wise in order to support a proprietary format when
> there are great, free, lossless formats such as flac available?

I am not asking for the free formats to be removed. It is great that they are supported. This is about making the great player even better and attracting new customers.

Similar arguments had been made before wma support was added to the player firmware. Today we can clearly see that it was a great decision. Pandora, Rhapsody, SN support of many internet radio stations, all made possible because of that.

> Indeed, why would anyone have chosen a proprietary format over a free
> one in the first place- oh yeah, those Ipods are soooo cuuuuute!

iTunes customer base is huge, if you like it or not. It makes sense to enhance SB compatibility with iTunes music.

Cheers,

Jazz1
2007-04-03, 17:44
I've got a large iTunes library, now outdone by CD's ripped by me. I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files. Of course I have no idea how many of my 2,000 iTunes songs come under the new agreement with EMI, or if any other companies will go along with this.

shvejk
2007-04-03, 19:51
I found an existing enhancement request in Bugzilla. Bug number 1985, "add support for aac in firmware".

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1985

Please vote for this bug if the feature is important to you.

Thanks,

st2lemans
2007-04-03, 23:42
> Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I
> doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?)

Yes, as does MP3.

http://www.musemagic.com/papers/licensinginfo.html

Tom

windowshade
2007-04-04, 07:07
> Is a license required to distribute an AAC decoder? (I
> doubt it, but does anyone know for sure?)

Yes, as does MP3.

http://www.musemagic.com/papers/licensinginfo.html

Tom
Hey, thanks for the link! (I especially like the per-channel licencing fee. "Oh, you wanted stereo? That's gonna run you.")

Mark Lanctot
2007-04-04, 07:59
I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files.

Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a problem?

tomjtx
2007-04-04, 09:00
Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a problem?

Thank you , Mark, for pointing that out.

I also wondered what the fuss was. I can play AAC files on my TP with no problem.

shvejk
2007-04-04, 09:05
>I hope Slim Devices choses to support non-DRM ACC files.
>Yes, they do, through transcoding. I'm wondering why this is such a problem?

Good question. AAC is supported through transcoding. In a typical SlimServer + SB scenario transcoding works well and there is no problem.

AAC support in firmware is needed when you want to avoid transcoding. For example when SlimServer is setup on a NAS or the music is stored online ( Oboe Locker ). Someone could argue that these are very specific scenarios and that number of users interested in the requested enhancement is tiny. However, since both WMA and OGG support was added to the firmware in the past, there is still hope that this will be addressed in the future...

earthbased
2007-04-04, 12:08
Let's hope iTunes Store moves to FLAC!

Philip Meyer
2007-04-06, 01:14
Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is not lossless.

egd
2007-04-06, 02:41
Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is not lossless.

This would not be the case if transcoding to WAV during playback, which is what I presume happens - wouldn't be much sense re-encoding something on the fly for playback.

Ben Sandee
2007-04-06, 07:21
On 4/6/07, egd <egd.2om44z1175852701 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phil Meyer;192971 Wrote:
> > Also transcoding is degrading the quality of the music, as the source is
> > not lossless.
>
> This would not be the case if transcoding to WAV during playback, which
> is what I presume happens - wouldn't be much sense re-encoding something
> on the fly for playback.


By default transcode happens to FLAC to preserve bandwidth, I believe.

Ben