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325xi
2007-03-22, 08:20
I know this subject has already been discussed to death, but I couldn't find an answer on this particular question - are there any advantages of ripping CD to separate tracks? SB seems to handle images with cue sheets very well, and such images are actually easier to manage...

Everyone however seems to keep separate tracks - what am I missing?

peter
2007-03-22, 10:00
325xi wrote:
> I know this subject has already been discussed to death, but I couldn't
> find an answer on this particular question - are there any advantages
> of ripping CD to separate tracks? SB seems to handle images with cue
> sheets very well, and such images are actually easier to manage...
>
> Everyone however seems to keep separate tracks - what am I missing?
>

Many people (like me) prefer to 'browse music folder'...?

(I wonder why people bother with that cue-img stuff, it's not like
you're using audio CD's anymore, are you?)

Regards,
Peter

325xi
2007-03-22, 10:11
(I wonder why people bother with that cue-img stuff, it's not like
you're using audio CD's anymore, are you?)

Regards,
Peter

Oh yes, I do use audio CDs - mainly for ripping :)
Risking to add insult to injury, I'm even going to say that I still use my CD player - I'm yet to find outboard DAC that combined with SB surpasses the sound of my Simaudio Nova. But it's a matter of time I guess...

peter
2007-03-22, 13:06
325xi wrote:
> Peter;189534 Wrote:
>
>> (I wonder why people bother with that cue-img stuff, it's not like
>> you're using audio CD's anymore, are you?)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter
>>
>
> Oh yes, I do use audio CDs - mainly for ripping :)
> Risking to add insult to injury, I'm even going to say that I still use
> my CD player - I'm yet to find outboard DAC that combined with SB
> surpasses the sound of my Simaudio Nova. But it's a matter of time I
> guess...
>

Ah, you're an audiophile!
You're probably spoiled by the Nova's special distortion ;)

Regards,
Peter

Robin Bowes
2007-03-22, 13:30
Peter wrote:
> 325xi wrote:
>> I know this subject has already been discussed to death, but I couldn't
>> find an answer on this particular question - are there any advantages
>> of ripping CD to separate tracks? SB seems to handle images with cue
>> sheets very well, and such images are actually easier to manage...
>>
>> Everyone however seems to keep separate tracks - what am I missing?
>>
>
> Many people (like me) prefer to 'browse music folder'...?
>
> (I wonder why people bother with that cue-img stuff, it's not like
> you're using audio CD's anymore, are you?)

I never use cue files, but I hardly use BMF.

It's much easier to search for tracks or artists. Also, this often turns
up tracks I didn't know I had in the depths of my collection.

For example, I wanted to play "The Leaving of Liverpool" by Steve
Tilston (from the "Of Many Hands" album). So, I searched for "Leaving of
Liverpool". It returned two results - the Steve Tilston track and the
same song performed by The Pogues (from the "Red Roses for Me" album). I
didn't even know I had that track. I would never have found it if I were
using BMF.

R.

peter
2007-03-23, 02:17
Robin Bowes wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
>> 325xi wrote:
>>
>>> I know this subject has already been discussed to death, but I couldn't
>>> find an answer on this particular question - are there any advantages
>>> of ripping CD to separate tracks? SB seems to handle images with cue
>>> sheets very well, and such images are actually easier to manage...
>>>
>>> Everyone however seems to keep separate tracks - what am I missing?
>>>
>>>
>> Many people (like me) prefer to 'browse music folder'...?
>>
>> (I wonder why people bother with that cue-img stuff, it's not like
>> you're using audio CD's anymore, are you?)
>>
>
> I never use cue files, but I hardly use BMF.
>
> It's much easier to search for tracks or artists. Also, this often turns
> up tracks I didn't know I had in the depths of my collection.
>
> For example, I wanted to play "The Leaving of Liverpool" by Steve
> Tilston (from the "Of Many Hands" album). So, I searched for "Leaving of
> Liverpool". It returned two results - the Steve Tilston track and the
> same song performed by The Pogues (from the "Red Roses for Me" album). I
> didn't even know I had that track. I would never have found it if I were
> using BMF.
>

BMF doesn't mean you can't use search.

Regards,
Peter

Greg Erskine
2007-03-23, 02:57
I know this subject has already been discussed to death, but I couldn't find an answer on this particular question - are there any advantages of ripping CD to separate tracks? SB seems to handle images with cue sheets very well, and such images are actually easier to manage...

Everyone however seems to keep separate tracks - what am I missing?

hi 325xi,

Me too.

I use a single WAV file and CUE sheet generated by EAC. It's so easy and works very well IMHO. I also do a "save as" cover.jpg from CDNOW while the CD is being ripped.

But I guess that the beauty of Slimserver, it allows so many options that everyone is happy, well almost everyone.

regards

smc2911
2007-03-23, 03:07
While I don't use images and cue sheets myself (only came across the idea well into ripping my collection to individual flacs), the purists could point out that images preserve the exact gaps of silence between tracks without attaching them to the individual tracks so that those gaps are there when you play the whole album but not if you sequence random tracks. That's my understanding at least. Please correct me if I am wrong!

peter
2007-03-23, 03:13
smc2911 wrote:
> While I don't use images and cue sheets myself (only came across the
> idea well into ripping my collection to individual flacs), but the
> purists could point out that images preserve the exact gaps of silence
> between tracks without attaching them to the individual tracks so that
> those gaps are there when you play the whole album but not if you
> sequence random tracks. That's my understanding at least. Please
> correct me if I am wrong!
>

True, but I hate them nevertheless.
I hate them so much that I wrote a little tool to chop them
(WAV/FLAC/APE) into bloody little FLAC pieces and set the tags from the
CUE sheet.

http://213.84.196.8/flacsplit.pl

Regards,
Peter

Greg Erskine
2007-03-23, 15:52
True, but I hate them nevertheless.
I hate them so much that I wrote a little tool to chop them
(WAV/FLAC/APE) into bloody little FLAC pieces and set the tags from the
CUE sheet.

http://213.84.196.8/flacsplit.pl

Regards,
Peter

Hey Peter, if you use the "Browse Music Folder" for searching for your music then I can unerstand why you hate them so much. I don't know why you prefer this method for searching (classical music??) as I find the Browse Albums and Browse Artists perfect for my colletion. I do use "Browse Music Folder" for those miscellaneous temporary mpegs and podcasts that I download. This saves me from doing a rescan.

Thanks for the perl script, it will come in handy if need to convert to the "flac individual track" model. So much work for so little code.

regards

JJZolx
2007-03-23, 16:07
While I don't use images and cue sheets myself (only came across the idea well into ripping my collection to individual flacs), the purists could point out that images preserve the exact gaps of silence between tracks without attaching them to the individual tracks so that those gaps are there when you play the whole album but not if you sequence random tracks. That's my understanding at least.

That could be, but it depends on how the CUE sheet is interpreted by the playback software. I don't think SlimServer introduces any gaps/silence between tracks, so unless it appends or prepends the gap from the CUE sheet, you'd potentially have unrelated tracks running into each other. Is that desirable?

The only advantages that I can think to using images plus CUE sheets is that it's fewer files to manage and it may make burning an exact copy of the original CD a bit more foolproof.

325xi
2007-03-26, 07:51
Well, I didn't notice a problem with gaps, need to pay more attention...
But ability to edit cue sheet to change tag info instead of dealing with tag editing software is very appealing to me.

TimothyB
2007-03-26, 12:18
But ability to edit cue sheet to change tag info instead of dealing with tag editing software is very appealing to me.
Amen, brother!

I use images and cues, and like having a set number of files per album. Wrote a Ruby script to sync all my cue sheets to my local CDDB. The big thing I'm missing is ARTISTSORT and ALBUMSORT, but I can easily add to the Ruby code to insert those into Cue sheets (I already have code to scan the CDDB and print a list of albums sorted the way I like - with The Alan Parsons Project under PAR, for example). Then I'll just need to tweak SlimServer to recognizing those tags from the Cue.

Unfortunately, it seems that images and cues are a bit of a red-headed step child around here. It's a worry that Logitech may stop supporting them in the mainline SlimServer.

-- Timothy
(Did some initial tests of adding a SqueezeBox to my kitchen. Things are looking - well, sounding, actually - good!)

JJZolx
2007-03-26, 12:30
Amen, brother!

I use images and cues, and like having a set number of files per album. Wrote a Ruby script to sync all my cue sheets to my local CDDB. The big thing I'm missing is ARTISTSORT and ALBUMSORT, but I can easily add to the Ruby code to insert those into Cue sheets (I already have code to scan the CDDB and print a list of albums sorted the way I like - with The Alan Parsons Project under PAR, for example). Then I'll just need to tweak SlimServer to recognizing those tags from the Cue.

Good grief... How is that easier than using a tag editor???

TimothyB
2007-03-27, 12:14
Good grief... How is that easier than using a tag editor???

I've used MP3Tag for my few .MP3 files. It took me more time to get things straight than if I could have simply edited a cue sheet.

Also I've already taken care of the sorting info for artists and albums to print my list of CD's off of the CDDB. So I want to leverage that.

-- T