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sfraser
2007-02-20, 07:16
I'm not sure what the status of a next gen SB is, but a new feature I would like to see is a USB port for thumb drives. lately when friends come over with music it is either on a thumb drive or a USB hard drive. It would be nice to be able to plug in the thumb drive and use the browse option on the SB to read/play the contents.

I have no idea how difficult this would be to add, or the amount of problems it may cause, but i thought I would shoot it out there, because I think it would be a nice addition.

jeffmeh
2007-02-20, 08:11
This one has been discussed before, ad nauseam. I understand the desirability of the feature, but it is not consistent with the current Squeezebox architecture. The SB is dependent upon SlimServer to function (hence it is "Slim"), so to accomplish this you would either 1) need to have SlimServer running on another box, or 2) need to have SlimServer running on the SB.

For 1), you may as well just attach the external drive to the network through the SlimServer box (or some other network-available device) and use "Browse Music Folders" to play it. Also, I suspect that most people who want to attach the external drive to the SB want to play it without another computer running SlimServer.

For 2), the SB currently has neither the processor nor the operating system to run SlimServer. Many folks have specifically purchased the SB rather than a competing product because it keeps the computer fans, noisy hard drives, etc. out of the listening room.

peter
2007-02-20, 08:47
sfraser wrote:
> I'm not sure what the status of a next gen SB is, but a new feature I
> would like to see is a USB port for thumb drives. lately when friends
> come over with music it is either on a thumb drive or a USB hard drive.
> It would be nice to be able to plug in the thumb drive and use the
> browse option on the SB to read/play the contents.
>
> I have no idea how difficult this would be to add, or the amount of
> problems it may cause, but i thought I would shoot it out there,
> because I think it would be a nice addition.
>

How hard is it to copy the files your friends bring to your harddisk?
Don't forget to delete them when they leave, for copyright reasons ;)

Regards,
Peter

sfraser
2007-02-20, 09:04
sfraser wrote:
> I'm not sure what the status of a next gen SB is, but a new feature I
> would like to see is a USB port for thumb drives. lately when friends
> come over with music it is either on a thumb drive or a USB hard drive.
> It would be nice to be able to plug in the thumb drive and use the
> browse option on the SB to read/play the contents.
>
> I have no idea how difficult this would be to add, or the amount of
> problems it may cause, but i thought I would shoot it out there,
> because I think it would be a nice addition.
>

How hard is it to copy the files your friends bring to your harddisk?
Don't forget to delete them when they leave, for copyright reasons ;)

Regards,
Peter

Excuse me while I run down to the basement to copy your files ......onto my file server........excuse me while I run down to the basement to delete your files from my file server......
That's convenient.

Sarcasm aside, if the SB won't support it, that is fine, Just thought I would throw it out there as nice feature.

Scott

mherger
2007-02-20, 09:13
> Excuse me while I run down to the basement to copy your files
> ......onto my file server........excuse me while I run down to the
> basement to delete your files from my file server......

Ahm... my slimserver is running in something called _network_. I could
transfer files from my office to the basement and back (if I had a
basement). ;-)

--

Michael

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sfraser
2007-02-20, 09:43
> Excuse me while I run down to the basement to copy your files
> ......onto my file server........excuse me while I run down to the
> basement to delete your files from my file server......

Ahm... my slimserver is running in something called _network_. I could
transfer files from my office to the basement and back (if I had a
basement). ;-)




--

Michael

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http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD
http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR

Oh sure, so could I. But that would mean i would have to boot my office PC 1st , which means it is most likely quicker to use the "SneakerNET" and run downstairs to the server which is already running. Another interesting point the other gentleman mentioned is copyright. If you could "read only" from the SB USB port, that might get around copyright issues...if that was a concern...

I don't know about you, but i am always trying to show "how cool" the Slim Device product line is to friends and family. Plugging in a thumbdrive into the side of silverbox (SB) and grabbing the remote to hit play is cool and pretty easy. Running around for 10 minutes to play a few songs thats not so cool, or easy. It's kind of a step back, from when your friends would drop by with a new CD and you would drop it in the CD player and hit play.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the SB is the coolest combo of music and networking to ever come along, it's in my system to stay.. Apparently so are sneakers ;)

Scott

peter
2007-02-20, 10:13
sfraser wrote:
> Excuse me while I run down to the basement to copy your files
> ......onto my file server........excuse me while I run down to the
> basement to delete your files from my file server......
> That's convenient.
>
'Scuse me while I plug your stick into my wireless laptop and drag &
drop your music to my file share.
Surely, anyone sophisticated enough to have a server in the basement and
a networked music system in the house would have a wireless laptop to go
with it?

> Sarcasm aside, if the SB won't support it, that is fine, Just thought I
> would throw it out there as nice feature.
>
Yeah, wonderful, as if we haven't discussed that one to death already...

Regards,
Peter

moby_uk
2007-02-20, 10:29
Sorry to break your generic stereotype here, but I have a dedicated SS in my loft serving music from a 2Tb RAID NAS over Gb Ethernet. And not a wireless laptop in sight...

sfraser
2007-02-20, 10:59
sfraser wrote:
> Excuse me while I run down to the basement to copy your files
> ......onto my file server........excuse me while I run down to the
> basement to delete your files from my file server......
> That's convenient.
>
'Scuse me while I plug your stick into my wireless laptop and drag &
drop your music to my file share.
Surely, anyone sophisticated enough to have a server in the basement and
a networked music system in the house would have a wireless laptop to go
with it?

> Sarcasm aside, if the SB won't support it, that is fine, Just thought I
> would throw it out there as nice feature.
>
Yeah, wonderful, as if we haven't discussed that one to death already...

Regards,
Peter

Yea I have a wireless laptop, it's in my office, turned off, in the laptop bag. See above.

reverber
2007-02-20, 11:04
I'll take a stab at it...
How about buying a wireless router with a USB storage port?

Cody

peter
2007-02-20, 11:07
sfraser wrote:
> Yea I have a wireless laptop, it's in my office, turned off, in the
> laptop bag. See above.
>

Wonderful. Now next time your friends visit, take it out of its bag put
it on stand by in the living room and you're all set!

They'll be amazed how their music enters your laptop and magically
appears on your SqueezeBox... ;)

If only all problems could be solved so easily...

Regards,
Peter

sfraser
2007-02-20, 11:58
sfraser wrote:
> Yea I have a wireless laptop, it's in my office, turned off, in the
> laptop bag. See above.
>

Wonderful. Now next time your friends visit, take it out of its bag put
it on stand by in the living room and you're all set!

They'll be amazed how their music enters your laptop and magically
appears on your SqueezeBox... ;)

If only all problems could be solved so easily...

Regards,
Peter

No they won't be amazed, they would say, "why not just hook the laptop up to your stereo and skip the squeezebox all together"?

Peter, I agree, there is a multitude of existing ways to get around the problem, none of which a portion of potential customers would entertain, or understand for that matter.

If the addition of USB port is beyond/outside the capabilities of the SB architecture, thats fine, I am happy to let this thread die.

Scott

ezkcdude
2007-02-20, 12:35
Before we reinvent the wheel yet again, and have another 10-20 page flame war, can I save you all the time and point you to a thread we had several months ago where I suggested and defended ad nauseum the idea of a USB or flash drive addition (and it was beaten down to a pulp by the same folks):

Ideas for SqueezeBox 4 (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=160616#post160616)

Please search for existing threads before starting new ones!

fuzzyT
2007-02-20, 13:01
ezkcdude wrote:
> Please search for existing threads before starting new ones!

Perhaps they didn't like the way that one ended...

Thinking about this - all that's really missing is some small device
that functions as a USB host, can connect to the network and present a
mounted USB volume to computers on that LAN.

Such a thing could be standalone, or built into an SBx. Those USB male
to WiFi dongles contain 2/3rds of what would be needed. And the current
SB has the networking bits and a processor.

Software wise, there would need to be something that recognized when a
new share was available on the LAN and make it available for music
folder browsing. The device could send a little broadcast, or call
something in the SS CLI.

Yeah, that would take some doing and require new hardware.

But it would be a cool feature.

--rt

ezkcdude
2007-02-20, 13:18
ezkcdude wrote:
> Please search for existing threads before starting new ones!

Perhaps they didn't like the way that one ended...

Thinking about this - all that's really missing is some small device
that functions as a USB host, can connect to the network and present a
mounted USB volume to computers on that LAN.

Such a thing could be standalone, or built into an SBx. Those USB male
to WiFi dongles contain 2/3rds of what would be needed. And the current
SB has the networking bits and a processor.

Software wise, there would need to be something that recognized when a
new share was available on the LAN and make it available for music
folder browsing. The device could send a little broadcast, or call
something in the SS CLI.

Yeah, that would take some doing and require new hardware.

But it would be a cool feature.

--rt

{Throwing my hands up in the air}

I know, "all that is needed is..." We've all been over this again and again (and I'm on your side, make no mistake). Apparently, it's not easy, and most of the SD "gurus" think it can't/won't happen. Let's drop it. I've decided if I'm ever going to have this capability, it will be through a NAS device that has a USB port (ala the Infrant ReadyNAS). O.k., please someone follow this post with, "But, couldn't we just have a tiny little USB port in the back...and..."

sfraser
2007-02-20, 13:27
{Throwing my hands up in the air}

I know, "all that is needed is..." We've all been over this again and again (and I'm on your side, make no mistake). Apparently, it's not easy, and most of the SD "gurus" think it can't/won't happen. Let's drop it. I've decided if I'm ever going to have this capability, it will be through a NAS device that has a USB port (ala the Infrant ReadyNAS). O.k., please someone follow this post with, "But, couldn't we just have a tiny little USB port in the back...and..."

But, couldn't we just have a tiny little USB port in the back...and... :)....point taken.

Scott

peter
2007-02-20, 13:34
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:01:20 -0500, "ron thigpen" <ron (AT) fuzzsonic (DOT) com>
said:
> ezkcdude wrote:
> > Please search for existing threads before starting new ones!
>
> Perhaps they didn't like the way that one ended...

They wouldn't, but such a feature would be very much at odds with the
rest of the networked design.

> Thinking about this - all that's really missing is some small device
> that functions as a USB host, can connect to the network and present a
> mounted USB volume to computers on that LAN.

Great idea, someone must've thought of that before!.

> Such a thing could be standalone, or built into an SBx. Those USB male
> to WiFi dongles contain 2/3rds of what would be needed. And the current
> SB has the networking bits and a processor.

There are many of these things that share usb connected devices to a
LAN, the Linksys NSLU2 for instance.

> Software wise, there would need to be something that recognized when a
> new share was available on the LAN and make it available for music
> folder browsing. The device could send a little broadcast, or call
> something in the SS CLI.
>
> Yeah, that would take some doing and require new hardware.

You can install a custom version of Linux on the NSLU, watch for the USB
attach event and copy files automatically if you desire, making a remote
system mount it needs software in two places, so I'd stick to copying.
No new hardware needed.

> But it would be a cool feature.

Let us know when you have it running ;)

Regards,
Peter